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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime947 View Post
    Is Zubsolv now available to be prescribed? It looks much more appealing to me than suboxone films
    It looks nice, but I don't think it's meant to quit. It's designed for a maintenance program. So I guess it's great for that, but if you want off the train I don't think that's the fix.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime947 View Post
    Is Zubsolv now available to be prescribed? It looks much more appealing to me than suboxone films
    I have been asking the same thing with no replies... walgreen's online showed the price compared to the others and it looked much cheaper! As far as quality..I'd love to hear!!!
     

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    My dose while IV'ing was 1mg when waking up, and another 1mg in the evening.
    Or somedays I just slammed the whole 2mg in the morning and it carried me to the next day.
    Now im sitting here sippin on coffee and staring 3mg pile of bupre chunks and I dont know how to take it, yet.

    Ive been eating benzos lately, like eating them stupidly.. So I cant use them as a support to this ROA change -period.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime947 View Post
    URGENT PLEASE READ
    Has anyone tried Zubsolv yet? I have heard that it is in pharmacies already. If I ask my doctor about it is there a chance he will prescribe it to me? I would love to get this instead of suboxone. Do doctors know about this medication? I want to be done with Reckitt Benckiser
    There's no way to predict if your doctor is willing to script the Zubsolv, but I can't think of any reason not to bring it up and discuss all available options. I've heard of a lot of sub docs that are dead set against scripting subutex (reasoning is always bullshit IMO). Emphasizing the financial aspects may help your case.

    Interested to hear experiences with Zubsolv also.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe-D View Post
    My dose while IV'ing was 1mg when waking up, and another 1mg in the evening.
    Or somedays I just slammed the whole 2mg in the morning and it carried me to the next day.
    Now im sitting here sippin on coffee and staring 3mg pile of bupre chunks and I dont know how to take it, yet.

    Ive been eating benzos lately, like eating them stupidly.. So I cant use them as a support to this ROA change -period.
    I've went back and fourth from iving, 2-4md a day for months and then going to snorting easily, in fact I threw out my needles yesterday too.. And will snort 1mg in a couple hours
     

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    GREAT FUCKING NEWS!!!

    I just had my doctor appointment, and talked about Subutex because I was getting headaches and nausea from Suboxone. He told me that he gave it out before but some of his patients had complaints from it because they say it appeared to be weaker, sometimes by 20%. He didn't really recommend it, but he had no problem writing me a Subutex script to see if it works better for me than Suboxone! He also mentioned it is much cheaper too! And if Subutex does not he will prescribe me Zubsolv! He is an amazing ethical doctor and doesn't care about supporting the greedy company Reckitt Benckiser!

    I am so happy!!! I am about to pick up my subutex script soon and can't wait to see the difference!

    After this doctor appointment I could really tell that he cares about my well-being.

    Doctors so against Subutex is BS! Those are the doctors that are tried into the marketing scheme from Reckitt Benckiser. I wish you all who are having difficulties making a switch from Suboxone to Subutex find a better doctor! Also ask your doctor about Zubsolv (which seems much more appealing than Suboxone).

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Again View Post
    It looks nice, but I don't think it's meant to quit. It's designed for a maintenance program. So I guess it's great for that, but if you want off the train I don't think that's the fix.
    I am staying on buprenorphine indefinitely as it helps my depression immensely
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    Drs are against it cuz it's easier to abuse
     

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    Sublime that's great to hear!! It's disheartening to see story after story of people who are between jobs or without insurance temporarily who bring up subutex to their doctor and are quickly shot down or flagged as someone seeking to abuse the meds.

    On the subject of awesome sub doctors, last week my doctor was telling me about his craziest mushroom trip-- in Vegas, on shrooms, pulled over by a cop... just one of his many relatable anecdotes. They don't consider testing positive for pot dirty either . I don't smoke but I asked about it- he scoffed and said if they worried about pot he wouldn't have any clients left, and that I was one of the few patients who doesn't smoke. For relapses you're not punished so long as you're honest about it up front and not caught otherwise. If you're sneaky, you're "punished" with a weekly group meeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrinksWithEvil View Post
    Drs are against it cuz it's easier to abuse
    Huh, I had the impression doctors are against it because they don't get paid on generics, and hide behind the facade of naloxone though it's been proven largely inactive (discussed ad nauseum in previous mega threads).
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrinksWithEvil View Post
    Drs are against it cuz it's easier to abuse
    Ya like ellua said that isn't true. I am unsure if doctors get paid at all though for whichever they choose to prescribe, I think RB representatives just scare some of the doctors by misinforming them. They also may say that if they prescribe anything else besides their product they'll get in trouble, which is complete BS. I never IVed a drug but people can IV suboxone and still get effects. The naloxone does nothing.. It is a useless ingredient. I would just like to get Subutex instead because it is bothersome why I need to take it. Plus I do not like reckitt benckiser lol. I think Zubsolv, although that has naloxone in their formula too, is a much better alternative than Suboxone. Have heard that is cheaper too.

    Plus has higher bioavailability, is smaller, and dissolves quicker.
    5.7mg zubsolv is supposed to equal 8mg sub I think

    Quote Originally Posted by ellua View Post
    Sublime that's great to hear!! It's disheartening to see story after story of people who are between jobs or without insurance temporarily who bring up subutex to their doctor and are quickly shot down or flagged as someone seeking to abuse the meds.

    On the subject of awesome sub doctors, last week my doctor was telling me about his craziest mushroom trip-- in Vegas, on shrooms, pulled over by a cop... just one of his many relatable anecdotes. They don't consider testing positive for pot dirty either . I don't smoke but I asked about it- he scoffed and said if they worried about pot he wouldn't have any clients left, and that I was one of the few patients who doesn't smoke. For relapses you're not punished so long as you're honest about it up front and not caught otherwise. If you're sneaky, you're "punished" with a weekly group meeting.
    Thanks ellua! I was worried before going to my appointment what he would say, and I was so happy to hear that he didn't mind if I wanted to try Subutex! I agree, it is ridiculous that some doctors shoot down Subutex like it is some sort of horrible narcotic when it is the EXACT SAME THING WITHOUT THE USELESS INGREDIENT! I have insurance, but my co-pay is going to be like 70-90 percent cheaper I am guessing when I fill my script.

    And that's awesome your doctor is drug-friendly, sounds like he had an Fear-and-Loathing like episode :P. My doc just told me to fill a drug screening sometime this week but I am not worried and I don't think he cares too much either. I don't smoke marijuana either, I used to but now it makes me paranoid and it ain't as good as it once was for me.

    I am not planning to relapse at all, buprenorphine has taken all my cravings away and keeps me in a great mood
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    Hey everyone, new to this site, did some research and couldn't find any info on the question I'm going to ask..I've been using 32mg of suboxone for the last week, stopped taking them for 4 days now and on the 2nd and 3rd day I used 4 bags of heroin, 2 at a time each time, IV, I kind of felt them but nothing much..my question is when should I continue my suboxone? Its been 24hours since I last IVed the 2 bags of heroin, I feel kind of crappy but not bad at all..please any info would be great. Thank you.
     

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    That's what my Dr said and I know it not true....

    In reality though it is easier to snort and shoot tex
     

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    You're prob good to go, but the safe answer is after at least 24 hours+ withdrawal symptoms.

    NZ weather is quite nice atm, nice to feel it without the sub neutralizing me..
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    Its been 36hrs now and I still don't feel that bad, I'm usually a 12-16hr person when I take subs but I don't know what is going on now...maybe the subs were dominent in my system and I can just continue taking them? Its over 36hrs and that's a long time
     

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    Doug, I have no idea what your habit is/was like and what your intentions for the future are, but if you're still feeling fine by this point I say stay away from the sub altogether if you can and see what happens. If you have no w/ds and plan to keep using dope why take something that just fucks your tolerance and leads to dependance?

    If you're trying to stay clean though and are fighting the cravings, definitely get back on. I don't think you need anywhere near 32mg/day- maybe start at 4mg and increase as necessary? JMO... Is your intention to continue chipping or are you actively trying to get clean?
     

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    the stupid zubsolv and other new generics are more expensive than my normal sub films at my pharm... such crap.

    whats REALLY stupid, is that dr's arent letting patients use the generic subutex, which is less than half the price of the films. so so stupid. makes me really mad.
     

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    My Dr prescribed me Gen tex
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slum Survivor View Post
    the stupid zubsolv and other new generics are more expensive than my normal sub films at my pharm... such crap.

    whats REALLY stupid, is that dr's arent letting patients use the generic subutex, which is less than half the price of the films. so so stupid. makes me really mad.
    Yeah, because the makers of suboxone (Reckitt Benckiser) have deals with doctors to only prescribe their shit. They don't make any money if dr's start writing scripts for generics that are manufactured by other pharmaceutical companies.

    It's all about money at the end of the day.
     

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    Screw RB. There are a handful of drs that don't care about supporting them though.
     

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    Okay guys, I got about 10 8 mg subutext left and I need to wean and then detox, it's to much money, I'll be going to maui and live with my mom so she can help me.... 80mg subs?

    Any taper ideas?
     

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    ^well what is your habit? You can get off doing most habits with 10 8mg Subs, but the heavier the habit the more painful it will be and longer you may want to drag the taper out to reduce the cravings and PAWS when you stop. Also the quicker you plan the taper the more difficult the task, but there are people who will just wait 24 hours, pop 1 8mg Sub and deal with the rest as it comes. I can't say I have tried that, but it theoretically has some sense to it, though it will be more painful than a 4 week taper, but get you clean quicker.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrinksWithEvil View Post
    Okay guys, I got about 10 8 mg subutext left and I need to wean and then detox, it's to much money, I'll be going to maui and live with my mom so she can help me.... 80mg subs?

    Any taper ideas?
    curious to why it s too much $ if it is generic subutex. is it cheap w/o insurance?
     

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    #47
    Greetings! I have never posted- hope this is the correct format! I have read through this entire SUB megathread but still have a few questions, which will probably turn into a few more.
    I am a twenty something female eight months off a seven year run with opiates/oids- as DOC- but I was just as familiar with everything else under the sun as well as the overall un-healthiness of addiction. These past eight months I have been on a SUB maintenance program. Two times everyday I dose 8mg sub strips sublingual. Here is where my question lies:
    For those individuals who have made the switch from the Suboxone strips to Subutex, was the change worth it? Does Subutex have less of the undesirable side effects? I have my reasoning for wanting to switch but I wonder why others wanted too. I also know that I am on a rather hefty amount- I was curious if Subutex is easier or the same in regards to the ease of tapering. One question I have been dying to ask is if the Subutex will be somewhat euphoric? Subs= Energy for me but...
    I have really enjoy reading all of your posts and have learned an immense amount about this drug.
    How awesome to finally find some truths about Subs! The Drs sure dont share them!!
    Thanks!
     

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    Suboxone and Subutex are the same thing.. the only difference is that suboxone contains naloxone, but since it has a lower binding affinity than buprenorphine, it is effectively inactive and useless.

    You're not going to get anything more out of being on subutex than you get out of being on suboxone.
     

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    ^^ Well, I rather take Subutex than Suboxone. I find it annoying that I'd need to consume something that I don't even need too. I do know that naloxone does nothing at all since buprenorphine has such a higher binding affinity however I'd rather not take it at all. Plus I do not want to support RB. I do not like their greedy company.

    Plus, naloxone degrades into impurities over time. Subutex has a longer shelf-life than Suboxone, and if I ever am in an emergency I will be able to take Subutex since there is no naloxone.


    I still haven't filled my script yet but when I do I will see if there is a difference.
     

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    Thank you both for the replies and info.
    I knew of the difference in chemical composition between the Subutex and Suboxone- the naloxone. And I do remember reading about what you both mentioned with naloxone having no affect due to binding affinity.
    I am having a difficult time with that damn naloxone. I have searched my little heart out trying to find proof that naloxone has no effect- and I haven't found any. I have a very hard time believing that naloxone has no effect.

    I do not have an issue with being on Bupe maintenance- but if Subutex could be more euphoric then I would love to switch. I do want a more euphoric experience with Bupe. The Tex seems so much more pure! Also I wonder if the side effects I experience are from the Bupe or Naloxone..
    I apologize if my questions are completely stupid- especially to those of you have more knowledge of these drugs. I am also sorry if I am just being downright annoying with these questions. I guess I just feel the need to talk about it with someone who I know will be honest. It is so difficult finding truths when propaganda works so well!
    Thanks again.
     

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