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    So I know that heroin and pills greatly reduce testosterone. My question is how does that compare to someone on suboxone? If someone has transitioned over to subs an the body is used to that daily is the test suppression as high as if it were heroin/pills bein taken daily?

    Working out also naturally increases testosterone. An im sure subs decrease to some degree. How much is this affecting me?

    Also from doing a few google searches i found info saying that men produce anywhere from 4-7mg of test/day. An that normal levels range from 300 ng/dl to 1000ng/dl. Now there is varying statistics but its a rough estimate. How much would the suboxone suppress these levels? Is it significant that i will notice a huge difference? Will taking test boosters (supplements not cycling any test) help with this at all?
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    Yes, long-acting opioids are nearly five times more likely to suppress testosterone levels than short-acting opioids. The only thing I can think of is would it be possible for you to taper off or cut down your dose? Are your testosterone levels low? I think the best thing to do is to check with your doctor with regards to your testosterone levels to see if you require testosterone supplementation/test boosters.

    OP I will be transferring your thread to Steroid Discussion because you might get better responses from there. Boss Guido take over!
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    I havent gone to a doctor to check my test levels. I mean from workin out an a good diet my muscle gains havent really been affected im steadily puttin on more muscle. Will test boosters (natural or supplements) keep the sub test suppression in check? Im not lookin to get off the subs becuase they are keepin me of the dope an pills rite now. Would reducing the sub dose lets say from a whole strip a day (8mg) down to 6 or 4mg have a huge impact on test levels?
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    Going from 8 to 4 won't have a huge impact, but it will definitely make a difference. Most test boosters are BS. The ones that really work are DAA, ZMA, tribulus (tribestan is one of the best), I haven't tried these myself but that's what I know from looking around
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    Only test booster ive tried is the animal stak an that was alrite nothin major.
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    It has zma and tribulus in it...
    What I don't understand is why people don't kick their sub habit... Is it that hard ? How long would it take to fully recover from such a habit ?
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    ^because opiates of all sorts have a death-grip on many people, even if they are not actively seeking them to get high but instead simply maintain and control cravings like methadone or suboxone. you won't understand unless you've been deep in it yourself or near to a loved one who is/has been. also, zma is just zinc magnesium and b6 which is not some holy grail of muscle building as it is touted; u can get multis with that ratio of those ingredients for cheaper, plus other shit. also, tribulus' effects are dubious at best. dont believe there have been any conclusive studies done on its effectiveness with muscle building and/or natural test levels. if youre gonna look for "test boosters", or use aminos like creatine and arginine, imo its stupid and incorrect to call yourself natural. i know youre a young cat, way too young to mess with steroids, but imo creatine and a ton of other legal supps ive tried have given me qualitatively more side effects than the couple steroids i've used (wouldnt be the same for you at your age and youd probably do severe hormonal damage, but for someone like myself who has mostly matured physically). not recommending anyone gets on cycle till their mid twenties, but the whole "natural vs juice" thing gets old when all the natty lifters have cabinets full of assorted exogenous amino powders.
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    I thought test suppression correlated to how strong of an agonist the opi in question is. Bupe being a partial agonist doesn't suppress nearly as rough as methadone does I know that for sure nor do I think it suppresses as badly as heroin (I kicked h myself and was on suboxone for a bit). I lifted while supporting and habit and while on suboxone and gained much more on bupe maintenance than heroin.
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    The only 'testosterone booster' that genuinely raises testosterone levels in the body is testosterone. Your so called precursors can actually lower your total testosterone count because the body ceases to produce testosterone naturally whenever it detects an accounted for spike thereof. So when you first hit a one-step-away precursor, sure, you get a TINY spike in test, but this is quickly neutralized by the body's subsequent refusal to produce more test via conversion.

    So why doesn't shooting test result in the same stoppage? Well, truth is it does. But in this case the amount of test introduced directly into the body supercedes the amount naturally produced all by itself. Even in so called moderate doses, this is the case. Of course, there is no such thing as dosing moderately when using test in the context of bodybuilding, or in any sports for that matter. When you use the term 'moderate' to a bodybuilder, it means something like 400mg a week as opposed to say, 800-1000mg/week. WHAT? Oh yes, padiwan. I know of guys shooting a gram of test a week, every week, year round. Some of them take time 'off' of cycling, which here again means they reduce their regimen to somewhere around the 400mg level and quit with some of the harsher drugs in their stack. Go look on any of your steroid boards (I used to mod one of the leading boards) and you will see that in the current philosophy of usage promoted by bodybuilders and many athletes there is no such thing as off. There is only degree of on. In fact, its not uncommon for "off" to mean the temporary cessation of roids other than test, and the term doesn't even apply to test at all in these instances! It can be a sickness for certain.

    Understand I am not criticizing the use of test for athletic or even cosmetic purposes. Not at all. In fact, I am a proponent of it, so long as it is done in a healthy fashion, which is absolutely possible.

    As for the impact of opioids on test levels - yes, use will diminish said levels. To what degree is a question for a mod probably, but as to the use of precursors (test boosters) that you can buy at any GNC to counteract it? My advice is to stay away from them entirely, as in the long run (even within just a few weeks most likely) you will wind up doing nothing more than boosting your ESTROGEN levels at a much faster rate than anything else, and when your test production stops you will begin to develop gyno (lumps under your nipples caused by the production of breast tissue) which you most definitely do not want.

    My first recommendation would of course be to stop using opioids, but hey, I understand! Second recommendation would be to seek out a doctor who will prescribe you an appropriate testosterone therapy regimen, which would of course include the monitoring of levels by said doctor. These days its not so difficult to obtain such a prescription for reasons such as yours, so there is absolutely no need to fabricate to your doctor. Indeed - not fabricating will insure that when you do finally find your doctor, you will be impervious to outside influences impacting your ability to utilize test, as you will have both legal status as and physician's endorsement.
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    Interesting post man. I had no idea that legal test boosters could lower test. I thought they had 'natural' ingredients in them but than again i never did a full research on the ingredient they put in that stuff. I aint lookin to use any test cyp, prop, or enanthate. Im only 20.

    Damn didnt even know that shit can boost estrogen like that. Or even the stuff that they sell at vitamin shoppe as test boosters can lower test production. I thought it was natural stuff to increase test, not adding test into the system so that your natural test production will stop.
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    I am prescribed a medication called Testogel. It's 50mg of testosterone in 5g of alcohol-based gel. Ya rub it on your skin. Because my body produces no testosterone at all, I can save ém up and double or triple dose when I start working out and my muscles respond very quickly.

    I'm wondering if this would be the case for a man whose testosterone levels are normal and consistent. I (think) a doc once told me if a person with normal hormone production was to take my Testogel, the body would sense it and send messages to the testes telling them they needn't bother producing testosterone because the body is getting it from an outside source...ie, a 'normal' man would not benefit from using my Testogel. Does this fit with what other ppl think?
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    A "normal man" using testogel would stop producing test on his own. And tbh, I think test gels/creams/lotions are all trash. Ask for injectable stuff. And you can't live if your body really produces no testosterone at all.
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    it produces minuscule amounts from the adrenal gland. Aside from that, my body 100% does not produce testosterone. I didn't want to have to say it, but I'm sure cause I had testicular cancer boo it sucked but there you go
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    If your test levels are that low, then by all means your doctor SHOULD prescribe testosterone in injectable form. If he doesn't go see another one.
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    Suboxone increases irritability very much, and testosterone can in some people. I can only imagine my friend on that combo... bad

    Hopefully it works out good for you!
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    ^Ive got natural anger issues i dont think its the subs or anythin haha.
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    There's a thread in another subforum about opiate irritability. Full agonists like heroin and oxycodone brought out flash tempers where I'd go from annoyed to pissed off in no time then back to opiate bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyhighk View Post
    Going from 8 to 4 won't have a huge impact, but it will definitely make a difference. Most test boosters are BS. The ones that really work are DAA, ZMA, tribulus (tribestan is one of the best), I haven't tried these myself but that's what I know from looking around
    none of these make a difference worth paying for.
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    True, but those are the only things available otc.
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    I tried an injectable form of testosterone called Reandron, but I didn't feel like it was any good. I was told that Testogel was the front-line treatment for male hormone replacement therapy (HRT) What makes you say injectable testosterone is better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy31 View Post
    I tried an injectable form of testosterone called Reandron, but I didn't feel like it was any good. I was told that Testogel was the front-line treatment for male hormone replacement therapy (HRT) What makes you say injectable testosterone is better?
    The gel aromatizes to estrogen more so than injected. Also topical application causes issues with serum test levels as it's not the same absorption rate every time so you don't always get the same dose every time while injected is absorbed at the same rate 24/7
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    ^Explain that man. How would test in gel form aromatize more than injectable? If there is also less absorbed as aposed to injecting than wouldnt the opposite happen? Also what if someone was to take arimidex with their test (it wouldnt matter what form gel or injected) that should stop aromatization to a degree.
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    Not sure but ima guess that the testosterone in the gel gets absorbed in fat tissue. And that's where the aromatase is located. Unlike the gel, injectable test doesn't pass directly through fat tissue. If you're not afraid of needles, there's no good reason for you to prefer the gel kind.
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