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[MEGA] MDA Discussion

Do you find MDA more stimulating or sedating?

  • stimulating

    Votes: 26 59.1%
  • sedating

    Votes: 15 34.1%
  • other (specify in thread)

    Votes: 3 6.8%

  • Total voters
    44
What do you like more and why? mda or mdma? I personally think a mixture of 25% mda and 75% mdma is the best roll. Has anyone tried candyflips with both and can give a comparison? I think I need to try a candyflip with just mda next time.

Is it safe to take syrian rue or b. caapi while candyflipping btw? Id assume not since theyre maoi's but if you could take them with a candyflip, thatd be a pretty amazing trip:).

I moved this into the main MDMA & MDA comparison thread.

I like 25% MDA to 75% MDMA myself. It is just enough MDA to extend the duration of the MDMA and add a psychedelic kick without the MDA overpowering the MDMA entirely.

It is not safe to take any MAOI with MDMA, MDA, or other serotonin releasing agents. MAOIs + serotonin release = serotonin syndrome and death. Its a very bad idea.
 
MDA is more neurotoxic than MDMA, so longer breaks are required between doses.
 
Is MDA really worth the higher neurotoxic profile and worse comedown compared to MDMA? I admit i'm a bit curious but feel like there isn't enough difference to justify the aforementioned drawbacks.
 
Is MDA really worth the higher neurotoxic profile and worse comedown compared to MDMA? I admit i'm a bit curious but feel like there isn't enough difference to justify the aforementioned drawbacks.

In my opinion it is. I love MDA. Some of my best rolls that I've ever had were from MDA...

See: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/685771-MEGA-MDA-Discussion?p=11998040&viewfull=1#post11998040

The main toxicity complaint with MDA is that its a potent stimulant and it has caused cardiac failure. It has a bodyload that MDMA doesn't have which is likely in part due to its 5-HT2a effects.

That's not to say that MDA doesn't have a devastating crash. Its more potent than MDMA AND it lasts longer. It naturally is much more taxing. With that said, its a great experience, it just shouldn't be used that often (probably best to keep it for extremely special occasions which shouldn't be difficult as its not terribly common these days).

It is still less likely to cause cardiac issues than amphetamine or meth though. If you have heart problems, you should avoid it just like any other stimulant. I'd say that my pulse runs around 100-120 on a high dose of MDA.
 
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I find that MDA becomes a lot more usable if combined with angiontensin receptor II antagonists such as Telmisartan or angiotensinogen converting enzyme inhibitors such as Lisinoprinil. Helps ease the cardiovascular strain. Also there's a study showing that PDE5 inhibitors i.e. viagra and cialis greatly reduce empathogen neurotoxicity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20543097
 
I find that MDA becomes a lot more usable if combined with angiontensin receptor II antagonists such as Telmisartan or angiotensinogen converting enzyme inhibitors such as Lisinoprinil. Helps ease the cardiovascular strain. Also there's a study showing that PDE5 inhibitors i.e. viagra and cialis greatly reduce empathogen neurotoxicity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20543097

Wouldn't combining MDA with these drugs add to its overall toxicity though?

I know that people have died from mixing Viagra and MDXX drugs. I assume the same would go for Cialis. And all angiotensin II receptor antagonists can cause significant tachycardia on their own so wouldn't they be contraindicated with a strong stimulant like MDA as well?
 
Here's my recent experience with MDA. I just wanted to share it.

I tried the MDMA/MDA combo this past weekend at a festival and I must say that I'm not a big fan of MDA. Perhaps I took a little too much MDA, but I felt very little empathy which is my favourite part of rolling. I also found that 'psychedelic speed' is a very accurate name for MDA in my experience. I'm sensitive to psychedelics so I found this combination to be very psychedelic. I had real hallucinations unlike the pseudo hallucinations you get from typical psychedelics. My headspace also felt 'psychedelic' but in its own MDA sort of way.

What I didn't enjoy about MDA is the lack of empathy, its relatively harsh comeup in comparison to MDMA, its long lasting speedy edge, and body destroying comedown. The intensity of the comeup was almost on par with a candyflip and I had to leave the crowd of people I was in during that time, though I am sensitive. I also had issues with sleeping and when I fell asleep it wasn't a very good sleep. I have no issues with sleep on MDMA. The emotional aspects of the comedown was pretty much the same as MDMA, but my body felt straight fucked for a day. I don't see myself doing MDA again.
 
Has anybody ever got very vivid realistic mda like hallucinations the day after rolling? Earlier this year/late last year the night after doing around 230mgs of some mda and around a gram of ketamine I was just smoking a bowl and doing some bumps of K before bed. I decided to go sit up in my bed and watch this zelda cartoon for a bit before crashing out. After a while I realized "hey this particular zelda cartoon doesn't exist" and my tv went black. Next thing I know I am standing in my kitchen facing my laundry room which leads to my back door. My mom was standing in the laundry room facing my back door which was open. Outside there was a bulky black dude in a tank top holding an ax. I go to touch my mom's back and my hand goes right through her and all my surroundings fade away and I am sitting back up in my bed again which I never left.
This was over 24 hours after dosing the mda and while I have gotten realistic hallucinations from ketamine before but never at such low doses especially considering how high my K tolerance was back then. I had bad hppd for a bit when I was allot younger but it was always just patterns never vivid hallucinations.
 
I voted other because of this:

When i tried MDA, it was taken in MDMA doses because that's what i believed it to be at the time. It was the typical one dose + half of it later on.

To compare the two,

MDMA takes me 1 hour to "feel something" and then i actually peak at the 1:30 hour mark. That's when i usually redose and the remaining duration ends at about the 3:30 hour mark. Of course afterwards some unwanted side effects remain, depending on how large the doses were, but the high never lasts longer no matter how large the dose is.

When i took MDA, i started to "feel something" at the 0:20 mark. This really surprised me because i thought it was MDMA. However, i thought nothing of it because it was just minor dizziness and sedation. Plus i was hyped up for the rave. Come 0:40 it felt like i was drunk off alcohol, a controllable drunk (3-4 shots deep maybe). Let me clarify i didn't drink alcohol or any other drug besides MDA that night. A few songs later from the point i checked the time, the hallucinations began. My male friend looked like he was wearing black eyeliner.....all the way to his nose lOl. Now in my drugged up state, i didn't ask about it and the night went on. I noticed if i stared too long at his nose trying to decipher why the fuck he did that, it looked like Obito's kamui (Naruto reference) was centred on where i was looking at. This was solved by just looking somewhere else.

Phone alarmed me that it was the 1:30 mark so i went ahead and redosed. Stupid stupid me. Well you can't blame me cause these emphathogens make you easily persuaded. In this case i was persuaded by phone lOl . At this point, i lost track of time. Black outs were frequent. I remember asking my friend something and then find myself instantly teleported to the dance floor, bent over standing up and hugging myself (this was freaky). I straightend back up and thought WTF and began the quest of looking for my friends. I don't remember accomplishing that quest, just that they appeared next to me eventually so they probably found me being a retard.

The flashing lights in the rave were nightmarish. I told my friend i was having a terrible time( the only words i could make out at the time). He probably misunderstood and pointed towards the dj where all the flashing lights were. Once i looked, i was not able to look away. It was scary. By the time the lights died down to match the calm part of a song, i was able to shake out of it. Judging by the fact my friend was no longer beside me, it must have been a while.

I somehow found my friends again decided to just chill and lean over on a hand railing. My friends were tripping as well but they only took one so they were probably not going through what i was. Upon looking at them again, their face began to morph into the face of someone else that i know that held a resemblance to them. In my drugged up mind i thought it was actually them so i said "woah! what are YOU doing here?" to each of them throughout the night. i guess they were fucked up too because they didn't respond and just went into trances like i did.

The place closed at the 4:00 hour mark and i was STILL tripping. Security kept lightly nudging everyone towards the exit so thats probably the only reason we were able to get outside. Otherwise, we'd be just standing there bobbing up and down to music that was no long playing.

One of us was able to call for a taxi and we went home. LONGEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE. The trance like state slowly faded but i was still going into trances at home (5:00 hour mark). I find myself bobbing up and down to music when its dead quiet. Looking in the mirror i still saw minor visual distortions. For some reason, as i went into a trance state after drinking some water, the way the lights reflected off the curtain made me think it was a person. I thought i was still on the dance floor and that was just a person beside me. After 10 seconds i snapped out of it and decided to just goto bed.

I somehow managed to fall asleep but woke up after only just 4 hours due to excessive teeth grinding in my sleep.


So take from it what you will, but MDA seems to be a mixed feeling of being drunk, visual hallucinations, and some MDMA, all with the usual MDMA side effects .
 
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MDA is indeed more stimulating than MDMA. Ive taken very stupid high amounts before and it becomes very hallucnogenic at high doses, it also makes me want to vomit more than mdma if i start going above 200 mgs.

I get many more physical sensations from it. In a nightclub enviroment on a dose upto about 200mgs colours seem stronger, brighter, and more intense. Also sense of touch, smell and sound is much more pronounced, much more so for me than MDMA.

I personally prefer it but it is obvious it feels great at the time but also feels like it is potentially doing you more harm than MDMA also to me.
 
idk if I had MDA or MDMA when I rolled, but I did not get the whole empathy spilling guts feeling, I felt more self confident about myself, less shy, and aggressive in a way where I didn't act on it, body sensations were great, taking a piss felt like an orgasm while I was urinating and real tingly...ill b ehappy to have any form MDxx as my luck sucks getting other shit
 
I find this drug wonderful in a different way than mdma, regardless of the similarities.

I just had it after not touching mdma for almost 2 months. fuckin great

i find this is more sedating than mdma however.
 
I have some that's been sitting around for a year now waiting to be tried.

The first question I have is whether to try it in an MDMA/MDA combo first or just try MDA alone. Do you guys think it would be better to experience MDA alone before attempting the combo? If I did attempt the combo, what ratio of MDMA:MDA do you guys feels optimum? Do different ratios give different experiences and could anyone elaborate on that?

Second question I have is dose. The MDA I have I acquired from an online vendor, and seems to me to be very, very pure. It's the whitest/clearest powder/crystal I have ever seen personally (it's mostly crushed up from the way it was sent). I sent it to a lab and they didn't do purity analysis but they didn't find any active constituents other than MDA in there, and a certain user on the forums for this particular online market said they had it sent for purity analysis and it came back as being over 95%. Many many different users on those forums have trie doses between 80-100mg and claimed it was pretty intense, lasted 8hrs and was somewhat of a 'trip', which conflicts with dosage info I read on BL and the rest of the web which usually says to only dose slightly less or the same as MDMA, with people saying they do 100-200mg on here where people on this market are claiming more than 100mg would be too much and ridiculously intense. Obviously I don't wanna start off with this chemical at too high of an intensity as I hear it can be very overwhelming. Therefore I was thinking if I did go for MDA alone I would dose around 75mg, as I only weigh 63kg, does that sound about right?

Finally, how does the MDA 'world' / headspace and sensory space, differ from MDMA? Is it really as close to the experience classical psychedelics provide as some people make out online? Or is it still predominantly a 'roll' effect that's just a bit trippier

Thanks :)
 
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What vitamins/supplements can be taken with 80mg MDA to reduce the toxicity and ease the side effects? I'll be using Piracetam at least. Anything else specific?
 
poll is interesting... i wonder if people that vote for MDA as stimulating are testing it to see if it is pure MDA.
MDA floors the fuck out of me and everybody i know. usually why most people prefer mdma ; the mda is just too raw for most people
 
MDA is the fuckin tits! Definitely my preferred type of roll. I usually like to dose both MDMA & MDA together. Perfect type of roll right there.
 
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What vitamins/supplements can be taken with 80mg MDA to reduce the toxicity and ease the side effects? I'll be using Piracetam at least. Anything else specific?

I'm guessing similar stuff you'd use with MDMA. R-ALA, Quercetin, Grape Seed Extract, Vitamin C, Magnesium Glycinate, CoQ10, etc
 
Could you guys recommend me a dose for MDA?

- 1,80 m / 80kg
- Experience with Weed / MDMA (usual dose: ~ 120 + 80mg)
- definitely want a full-blown experience and those OEV's / CEV's but not too overwhelming

I thought about taking 100mg, good idea?

Thanks :)
 
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