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I got to a bad place a few years ago and ate 80mg of Klonopin to try to die. I slept 14hrs and felt fine. It might kill others.
I'm sorry, but I have to bump this. I need to solve this mystery as to why 30mg of klonopins had NO effect on me. PLEASE help! I'd really appreciate it. It was at least five hours ago I took my last pill of the 30mg and still not effect. I even took a couple shots of whiskey to see if that would help, but it was to no avail. Please, please, please, I need ideas, and better yet solutions. No one answered my question as to whether or not the suboxone I took two days ago could be the culprit. So please...help me solve this mystery!
I'm sorry, but I have to bump this. I need to solve this mystery as to why 30mg of klonopins had NO effect on me. PLEASE help! I'd really appreciate it. It was at least five hours ago I took my last pill of the 30mg and still not effect. I even took a couple shots of whiskey to see if that would help, but it was to no avail. Please, please, please, I need ideas, and better yet solutions. No one answered my question as to whether or not the suboxone I took two days ago could be the culprit. So please...help me solve this mystery!
Hi. Let me start by saying that I have not taking any benzo in at least a year and several months, maybe longer. Today I consumed almost 30 mg of clonazepam (not all at once mind you, but I kept taking more due to feeling no effect). I am not trying to abuse it, I have GAD and SAD and these pills were prescribed to me.
The problem, and quite frankly the paradox of the matter, is that I have taken MUCH lower doses of clonazepam before and felt tremendous relief from my anxiety.
I am also prescribed suboxone. Is it possible the suboxone is blocking the effects of the klonopin? I know the pills are legit, unless the pharmacy themselves forged them.
I also took about 4 mg yesterday and felt the effects, but now nothing. What is the deal? I don't understand. I should be blacking out right now but I'm completely sober.
Also, they are round green pills and say Teva on one side and 833 on the other
http://www.drugs.com/imprints/teva-833-16542.html
Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
I know what this is. In the same way some people need to BINGE DRINK some people need to BINGE the benzo's. The scary part is that when bingeing benzo's the withdrawal effects may stay away for 3 to 6 weeks and then come down on you like a pile of bricks A MONTH LATER!!!!!!
By taking this many benzo's you are changing your brain chemistry to work on BINGE MODE just like Booze drinkers that feel the need to "BINGE" every 3 or 4 weeks or they feel like they are going nuts!. Ever heard a person say "I HAVE GOT TO GET TOTALLY FUCKED UP AND DRUNK TONIGHT" in what seems like 'anger'??? That's the GABA/GLUTAMATE "BINGE CYCLE" starting to rev up.
The GABA/GLUTAMATE cycle is notoriously long when it comes to large single doses followed by a long cycle of abstinence (Just enough to make most people think they are not addicted so they do it again and again just like a binge drinker does)
HEY YOU ARE RIGHT! Suboxone does have a powerful effect on booze and benzo's both since they act on the same part of the brain in much the same way. HERE IS HOW AND WHY!!!!
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MUST SEE WHY! SEE THIS VIDEO NOW! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EghiY_s2ts
Good luck and be careful as you have to be on a small steady dose and then quit SLOWLY, VERY VERY SLOWLY YOU TAPER OFF even if it takes years... People who binge benzo's have a 85% higher chance of committing suicide than people on a smaller daily steady dose!
Good luck again friend.
Dr. Grimes, PhD-NS / Harvard MS
Flumazenil fixed me up.
mental breakdown said:Flumazenil fucked me up
stray cat said:alprazolam is a thienodiazepine?
Mental Breakdown said:Also, if klonopin doesnt work for you, just ask for any of the 5 other commonly used benzos that do exactly the same basic thing..
lol exactly like this idiot right here. Bro you ain't gonna die from taking a lot of benzos every so often, yeah the next couple weeks after that could suck, maybe even months who really knows, but you aint gonna die. And if you have taken that many kpins and suboxone at the same time and not died...congratulations you now have a tolwrance that makes you more invincible yet impossible to help therapeutically.
Well, it probably would, it's an antidote. Like taking naloxone while you're on a heroin binge. Then again, it's a bit of a nootropic, if you can get through the anxiety it causes.
Sorry, I misread that as
There is no possible way taking flumazenil after a benzo dependency problem is going to help you. It would be a double-cold turkey detox. There are so many threads here of folks trying to kick these things, even when they do it microgram by microgram, I can't imagine what a flumazenil detox would do.
Hi. Let me start by saying that I have not taking any benzo in at least a year and several months, maybe longer. Today I consumed almost 30 mg of clonazepam (not all at once mind you, but I kept taking more due to feeling no effect). I am not trying to abuse it, I have GAD and SAD and these pills were prescribed to me.
The problem, and quite frankly the paradox of the matter, is that I have taken MUCH lower doses of clonazepam before and felt tremendous relief from my anxiety.
I am also prescribed suboxone. Is it possible the suboxone is blocking the effects of the klonopin? I know the pills are legit, unless the pharmacy themselves forged them.
I also took about 4 mg yesterday and felt the effects, but now nothing. What is the deal? I don't understand. I should be blacking out right now but I'm completely sober.
Also, they are round green pills and say Teva on one side and 833 on the other
http://www.drugs.com/imprints/teva-833-16542.html
Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
Tolerance to gabaergics, like benzos, barbiturates, alcohol, to a lesser extent opioids and things that make you feel relaxed, is due to a shift in equilibrium.
These drugs tilt your brain in a direction of too much inhibitory signaling, and adjusts by dialing down GABA signaling and increasing excitatory glutamate signaling.
It's like your meds keep turning the volume down down down in your brain artificially, and your brain keeps turning the master volume up to compensate and function. If you get rid of the med suddenly, it's like unmuting it, blasting the room with Jerry Springer chants and making everyone jump (literally if you have a seizure).
If you added flumazenil to a benzo-high-tolerant person, you might not just unmute the volume in your brain suddenly, you might plug a couple amplifiers in, blow past the "really jumpy and anxious" withdrawl, through a seizure, and straight to status epilepticus, where without paramedic intervention within minutes, you will not be back to tell us how it felt.
Benzos are anti-convulsants, some more than others, true, but all the ones mentioned here are to some extent anti-seizure meds. You cannot quit those cold turkey and you cannot add antagonists. Tapering off is required.
Well for starters, how about citing your sources.
Well for starters, how about citing your sources.
Second of all, lack of research doesn't mean something is safe. Usually it means the opposite. It could be very dangerous for someone, either currently benzo dependent or in p.a.w.s, to try to self medicate their withdrawal away with a benzodiazepine antagonist. So let me reiterate, your conjecture is without basis and quite simply wrong, not to mention that who knows if the information you posted is even from legitimate research.
the frazzled uncoupled said:So you make comments about the lack of research means unsafe then follow it up with any research posted could not be legitimate.
g0to isn't making a claim about new treatments or cures; just good ol' common uses for this drug, approved by the FDA, and for that we need no citations. Usually an absence of research is a sign you don't want it in your body, just from a statistical angle.
Thanks for understanding and being patient.
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Your first PMID is missing a number or something, returns a Hypertension study. The second one is no longer available for viewing.
Here's the thing: you know how naloxone is an ingredient in suboxone, and there's a depot shot of naltrexone, called Vivitrol? Both of those ingredients are antagonists of opioid receptors, used in the treatment of opioid dependence and to manage withdrawal.
And no one uses them outside clinics, because it's complex and dangerous. I don't know off-hand (yet) what the flumazenil affinities for various GABA-A subtypes are. I know that for some limited cases, flumazenil could definitely help with the more pernicious, super-fatty extra-long-lived metabolites that can cause problems and make a taper worse.
I'm sure it will reset tolerance faster, and help epileptic patients when switching meds. And you better believe that's under hospital conditions.
It's also, like I think I said here, a nootropic too, and along with a pack of smokes, might be good for your grannie in the old folks' home, at least to remember your birthday and the current consumer price index.
But if you use them for benzo detox, you're gonna be under a doctor's care, you're not going to order these online and expect it to magically cure imagined side effects. It could be very dangerous to fuck around with this drug on your own. Along with the 7-Cl, 7-Br, or thioester RC versions soon to come along.