first, as this is a new thread, i am disappointed my "missimoo's guide to MXE" is not at the front of the thread as it was on the last thread. that was really cool
I'm curious have any negative health consequences (outside of psychiatric) been experienced by long term/heavy users? Aside from the obvious fatalities I'm interested to hear the heavy users idea of the safety profile.. So far from the posts I'm reading I'm pretty glad I decided against trying this.
ive been using this for WAY TOO LONG. i will admit i have a problem with it. so far the long term effects are (been using this almost daily for over a year, with only a few breaks of no more then about a week..)
addiction seems to be psychological. ive not had any physical withdrawals from it. periods without it ie a holiday or some reason where i can take it, i dont miss it. but when i get back i get it as soon as possible. i dont regualarly take any other drugs. i cant get weed (and its illegal)...if i could get and smoke weed (legally) i would like to think i would choose that over MXE. i use out of boredom mostly, i dont drink alcohol except on rare occasions. too much time on my hands makes me use. i quite often find that i need a bump to get up. use little during the day, usually in evening i take approx 80-100mg bumbs every hour or so whilst watching ~TV or whatever.
i typically use 5g a week maybe 1G daily. i no longer get the "trip" or the "hole" that i used to. i also dont have the negative effects i used too. in the past high doses would cause high blood presure and panic/fast heart beat....i have in the past ended up in a&e after being in a state where i cant talk, but have had panic and high blood pressure. taken to a&e but usually have come down by the time i got there, and discharged myself without needing any treatment. just feeling a twat. this with long term use has not happend. i have not had any reaction to taking too much for a long time.
as said i no longer get the trip, i miss this soooo much. if i take a lot, a may hole, i dont know, i dont remember it. it leaves me in more of a "confused" state"...my thing would be (the thing i love this drug for) would be to take a dose enough to hole (but not too much to be on another planet) enough to put headphones on in bed for 1hr and float away to music. it used to feel that i was right in the music. it was amazing. along with the opiate feel and the floating in space. i loved this. but increasingly i dont experience this. recently taking a large dose to listen to music. i never get around to the music. i have no memory for a time, my partner will tell me afterwards i was in a confused state, sometimes i talk without remembering cnversation, stare at my mp3 not knowing how to use it...on other times i have tried to go to the loo and not been able to walk. i have needed to be helped to walk...this lasts maybe 30min and im back to normal, with no memory. i get told off for being a nightmare. so more and more the lack or trip and no hole just leads instead to a confused state and loss of memory.
i find following film or tv plots hard to understand on high doses. i have to watch things again sober.
on binges there is always the need to redose. i always weigh out a certain amount from my stash and have that with me in a vile ...if you have the whole stash its too easy to forget you have already taken it...get stuck in a loop and keep redosing..this is a danger. i have done this in the past. hence why i ALWAYS measure about 1g out and the rest away. i can see what i have taken and cant risk taking silly amounts. .....i can eyeball a 50-100mg dosesober accurately. but once ive had a few bunmps no matter how i think i can eyeball it. i cant. i have many time thougt i have poured out a small bump and later found i took a stupid dose. ...100mg doesnt look like much, and its easy to double that or more without it looking like a much bigger pile of powder.
long term use as said has led to a loss of the trip. but it still has a nice rush.
i would like to give it a big rest. but as said, i admit to being a addict. i have to book a trip away for a week or so and leave it behind to force myself to have a break.
having had a break even just a few days, tolerance drops. a dose that would hardly effect me can knock me out (and in the past put me in a&e..but not for a long time..this has happend maybe 2 or 3 times when MXE first came out and not since..maybe regualar use makes adverse reactions less likely?)...so yes...tolerance drops fast....BUT the ability to hole still does not come back. i would love to know HOW LONG someone HAS TO NOT TAKE THIS to lose all tolerance and gain the ability to hole. a month? or more? any idea?
i have not had any other health problems from long term heavy use. i have had a couple of UTI's (urine tract infections) that have lead me to panic "oh my god ketamine bladder death!! oh shit" but its not more then a pee infection and has actually been caused by a cold or bug not MXE. ....so no physical problems that i know off. i worry about brain damage or mental health issues, but have no symptoms of them.
i have suffered no pain to kidneys or liver. unrelated blood tests and liver function tests showed i am ok. i have had a MRI unrelated about a year ago, maybe after a years use (building up to regular/addiction) for something else, but it did not show up any thing unusual.
i read somewhere that taking a benzo with a dissasociative reduces the risk of damage to the brain, i always do this as i have Valium on PX. i also have quitiapine 100mg on PX for sleep problems that might have helped me avoid psychological problems...being a antipsychotic...maybe that has helped me not go crazy. ...who knows.
i do feel i am completely addicted to this now, i cant wait for xmas when i have 2 weeks out of the country and wont be able to take it. i want to have a long break but dont have the self control. i hope xmas break will be enough for me to carry on having a long long break....part of the trouble is that it is such a nice drug, not taking it is boring. i use it like i used to use weed. only common sense says this is much more dangerous to take like that. who knows for sure. i dont IV doses, i always snort it. sublingual doesnt seem to do anything for me, i cant hold it there, in 2min its been washed around my mouth and swollowed. i cant help it. just cant take it that way. oral has no effect. plugging i cant comment on, other then it being a non social way to take a drug, i have not tried it enough to know the effect. i think it has lead to a hole that i have not remembered.
memory loss is one big side effect. under the influence. i find i cant remember things said to me, or things i have watched whilst on MXE..its like i cant move memory from working/short term memory into long term memory. i nearly always have to re watch anything watched on mxe.
someone on the end of the last thread said they do 750mg lines. this i find shocking even with my use. i might be able to take that during a session, but not all at once. i would expect to OD on a dose like that. even though i might be able to take that over a evening/night.
the supply i have i belive to be of decent quality. after the uk ban there were several batches going around, some where bunk. the stuff i get i am sure is of decent quality. but long term use has lost most of the effects from it.
i admit i am an addict at this stage. however, having had a major drug problem many years ago it is not to the stage that i would go without food, not pay bills etc to pay for MXE. i take mxe regularly but it has not like my past cocaine addiction become a problem in that i would choose it over paying bills etc. i dont find i use it in inappropriate places/times, like i can not use it if i have a social commitment, it doesnt get in the way of my relationships. but it does lower my motivation to do things. i know if i only had X amount of money and had to choose between my rent or MXE i would pay my rent and not take MXE. where as when i was a coke addict i would get in debt to use the drug. so make your own conclusions to whether this counts as an addiction. i like tea, i drink it all day every day, am i a tea addict? i know people who drink wine every night, but they are not an alcoholic....its a fine line.
still get a stong anti depressant effect.
effects are still unpredictable...this is one of the most unpredictable drugs i have ever taken ....one day a dose will do nothing, then some random time, a lesser dose of the same batch will produce a hole/ messy state. ....i got caught out after taking a low (for me) dose at a spa. i suddenly was completely wasted on a dose that usually has no effect. i have a bit of a blank but remember i had to sit in a changing room for 30min to come down ..i was to wasted to dress myself. this could have been dangerous. if i were in a pool or something. i NEVER drive after taking this (obviously) ....NEVER do that. you dont know your judgement is impared. it would be a stupid thing to do.
someone posted a story where after a several month gap, they suddenly had a "flash back" type experience whilst out and about..i think they ended up being arrressted in a psychotic state that they said was caused by MXE months after their last use. i am pretty sure that this person actually had a psychotic episode and it was not related to MXE...several mothes after last dose? maybe MXE triggered a mental health issue...but i have never had a "flash back" after not using it for a period of time.
like any drug MXE will more then likely be a risk for triggering mental health issues in those suceptable to them. much as people say cannabis can trigger schizophrenia, some people miss interpret this as CAUSING...but what it means is that THOSE THAT **MIGHT** be susceptable to developing a mental health issue, drug use CAN trigger it. much as stress may trigger it. lots schizophrenics develop their condition at a certain age, usually early adulthood when stressers trigger it. it does not mean they caused it. just brought it out.
