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    It took me a long time of IV'ing other opiates before heroin. The first time I did IV heroin i was a little disappointed because it was nowhere near as strong a rush as IV hydro or hone, IMO. I did end up switch from oxy/dilaudid to heroin tho for economic reasons. And after close to six months of sobriety I insulated two bags of heroin and man the high was great but so short lived. Overall I think opiates are horrific, but I would gladly say that IV is the only way to go for opiates. The opiates that can be IVd and properly filtered that is. Insufflating heroin just left an odd scent in my nose. I don't think I would use heroin again because I'm tired of living In NA and AA after binges. But if I ever got the option to smoke heroin freebase, I would totally try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Landrover View Post
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    Where are you from? Some areas of the world heroin is made more for smoking.
    I am from the UK.
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    snorting it is so much less of a hassle, in the short and long run.

    pick your poison really though
    Last edited by shimazu; 16-11-2012 at 04:12. Reason: assuming you practice safe IV techniques
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    I've been using opiates for the last 3-4 years quite regularly. i started out snorting roxies and then got into opana. for about 2 years it was either oxy or opana at least every other day, usually every day. this year I found a heroin connect with good stuff, but I still prefer oxymorphone because this isn't the NJ/NYC dope. however, since I've always used pills, I always snort my dope because as addicted as I already am to opiates, I know the needle would screw up my life beyond repair.
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    For trying heroin for your first and last time, which ROA would someone suggest to get the best of both highs H has to offer..? Light brown powder, fine and clumpy. I've never been one to want to toy with meth or crack, or any other seriously dangerous, toxic, or possibly life changing drug, except H. I've never even liked opiates. Will power, right?
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    that sounds pretty foreboding man, first AND LAST time in one. I know what youre trying to say and hopefully that works out for you but the bottom line is you will probably use it again. Maybe not a day from now, or even a week, but youll find it again.
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    If I could go back. I would try for #4 heroin and snort itm, I like snorting drugs - it's rare in the uk but I got #4 from EU. And/or and vap #3 ontop. With a low tolerence smoking heroin should as good, so the idea is snort xx amount of #4 to bring you up quick then #3 to peak up more when you need. However I used the needle. I spend mroe times finding veins and crap than I do high!

    Ideally I like to just spend 2 seconds taking it. so eg, (THIS MG DOSE IS JUST THERE AS AN EXAMPLE)

    200mg snorting 100mg + 100mg per side of nose. - takes 5-15 seconds to do and 5-15min to hit. So it's BANG big dose and let it hit!
    200mg smoked off foil can 5min-15min depending on your skill. ONSET 5-40 seconds. So this is more about little hits building up,
    200mg IV can take 2-5mins to prepare, the locating vein can be 1-5min on somenoe clean however issue is people with collapsed veins can take 30-90mins. onset 10-30seonds. This is more like best of both.


    Now one thing I wanna point out snorting Heroin is similer to morphine in effect it's very body, smoke/iv has that blast off stimulation feel! My advice if you are gunna do it snort it a few times maybe but try and smoke it summit I've never got the hang of.

    I don't want you here in 5 years making threads about abcesses and missed shots ....... smokin/snorting is alot safer.
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    IF I was going to try heroin (which I'm not) I'd definitely want to smoke it, snort it and IV it. Otherwise I'd probably try it again and use another roa as an excuse for doing so. I mean if it's only one time I'd want to get the most out of it and see what heroin's all about.

    But, I wouldn't trust myself with heroin so I'd rather not try it at all.
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    Shimzu, yea I haven't even convinced myself yet to try it. I've done many drugs, like a lot of you, and have come to a place where I'm content with my experiences and frankly lack interest in creating more. H would be the last one, (besides weed, w.e), but just the stigma behind it, knowing it's energy, has been enough to not touch it yet. I came up on what I have for free, but I haven't brought myself to flush it.
    Tony W. You said you can vape it?...Did I read that right? I had wanted to do it this way, but wasn't sure. I have a pizzo for DMT (using that for the 1st time was a little nerve racking because of it's stigma too, even though it was just DMT my hands were shaking ahaha, younger days) and a bag vape with a max temp at 500F, either of these work? I've heard mixed stories...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PillToChill View Post
    But, I wouldn't trust myself with heroin so I'd rather not try it at all.
    I like this answer.
    Wish I had done the same.... not tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigben202 View Post
    Tony W. You said you can vape it?...Did I read that right? I had wanted to do it this way, but wasn't sure. I have a pizzo for DMT (using that for the 1st time was a little nerve racking because of it's stigma too, even though it was just DMT my hands were shaking ahaha, younger days) and a bag vape with a max temp at 500F, either of these work? I've heard mixed stories...
    Base heroin, Afghani brown, No. 3, whatever you wanna call it, the stuff we mostly get UK / Europe yes, vape it off foil. Chasing the dragon, right. You're a fucking scouser that right la? Should be no shortage of people can show you how to toot in scouseland mate. Pizzo, that like a lightbulb vape? Never used one but if so it will work in that too, or the kinda big-bowled glass pipe commonly called a meth pipe. Need to turn it as you heat it so the gear can run away from the flame, you don't wanna heat it on the spot cos it will likely burn, you don't want that.

    Smoking off foil is by far your safest option with base H. You'll get a nice fast hit with every line which makes it much easier to titrate dose. Difficult ( though not impossible by any stretch! ) to OD chasing. Difficult to smoke enough fast enough so you'd tend to nod out long before you get near OD territory unless you have other CNS depressants in your system like alcohol or benzos. Base can be snorted but IME it's much less effective that way. Other option is IV, but noone new to H should be considering that. Too fucking dangerous even for experienced users. Deadly for the opiate naive.
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    Shooting is by far the best way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Williams View Post
    Ideally I like to just spend 2 seconds taking it. so eg, (THIS MG DOSE IS JUST THERE AS AN EXAMPLE)

    200mg snorting 100mg + 100mg per side of nose. - takes 5-15 seconds to do and 5-15min to hit. So it's BANG big dose and let it hit!
    200mg smoked off foil can 5min-15min depending on your skill. ONSET 5-40 seconds. So this is more about little hits building up,
    200mg IV can take 2-5mins to prepare, the locating vein can be 1-5min on somenoe clean however issue is people with collapsed veins can take 30-90mins. onset 10-30seonds. This is more like best of both.
    I know you were at pains to say the mgs there were just examples but still, I wish you'd not posted them. Hopefully noone would ever be stupid enough to take those as some kinda guide cos 200mg would be pretty fucking deadly for a Heroin n00b with no tolerance, especially IV even if the gear's cut to fuck and back.

    Just sayin'.
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    Before I reply, just an apology in advance: I have NOT read anything in this thread other than OP, so sorry if my post derails or anything.

    Anyway, I find this with most drugs and IV: It's not even the same experience a lot of the time, that's what a lot of non-IV users just don't understand. If I have drugs, I will hold on to them indefinitely to wait to get a syringe before I take them. It's simply not comparable, with most drugs.. Like (meth) amphetamines and opiates in particular.

    I really don't know how to say it in such a way that it properly makes sense.. But when you IV a drug, it is so utterly different than snorting, smoking, etc. I think particularly with heroin, I think the bio availability of heroin when you smoke or snort it is just really poor.


    Interestingly - I with MDMA he best ROA is actually either eating it or plugging it.. It's not that it's not more 'effective' if you IV, obviously it is. But personally I just enjoy the sensation as much and plus it doesn't last as long. Likewise I'm not a big fan of the high I get from snorting MDMA.. It's a funny think, but it's about the only drug where I prefer to eat it.
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    As long as my experimentation with IV heroin is done and I never go back to that shit again, I don't regret going from smoking (how I started out, had heroin freebase) to injecting.

    Smoking it yielded the most disappointing high despite what I was told by observing experienced users was correct technique with a reasonable dose of what they said was decent quality. Watching my friends get completely fucked up, I finally told them to fix me up a shot as well. The first three I had (not all in quick succession but a few days) were all much more impressive than the smoking, but still I felt as though I hadn't really "got it" - I had tried IV morphine (40mg, with just about no tolerance as well), and since heroin was supposed to be more euphoric, I wasn't satisfied with the very mild rush compared to the reasonably powerful one I got from morphine.
    The fourth time they finally put quite a bit in the rig, as they were convinced by the previous attempts I would be able to handle it (and, being responsible junkies, they had naloxone on hand), and I finally felt the blissful rush I'd heard of.

    That, seeing a few friends completely waste days of their life and quite a bit of money being as fucked up as I'd ever seen them made me decide to stay away from that shit. Also, I noticed by the end the doses weren't weighed out all that conservatively, so accidental overdose seemed like a matter of time if one continued using this way. Also, I got a pretty benign-looking and mild but still alarming abscess near the injection site from one of the 4 times I shot it, so I figured I'd best leave that at that.

    The only times I've used H since then, I've plugged it, which was plenty powerful.
    ... but the last time it felt pretty weak, so last night I shot up twice again. I still don't know about snorting but even with proper technique, smoking doesn't really get me. Banging it is just too good. But accidental overdose is indeed something that can easily happen; I had to resuscitate a guy yesterday when he shot what he thought was a reasonable amount of something he'd just tested earlier with a low dose.
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    I started snorting it when I was using it to come down from a long crack binge or I would smoke some crack, enjoy the high and then when I started to come down I would snort some heroin so I could not feel like shit while waiting in between hits so that I could wait longer and then get a better high from the next hit that I took (how I smoked my crack I would do 3 hits in a row; one huge hit hold it as long as possible, then right away take another hit and hold it as long as possible, and then add some more crack in the pipe and take one last hit. Also I would blow my hits into a balloon and take them back in kind of like a self shot-gun. This was all within about a minute). After that I decided to try heroin alone because with the crack I never really felt its effects it was just used as a buffer for the horrid crack comedown. The first time I tried it I shot it and I never went back to snorting it even when I was using it like I described above...thank god I am now on a methadone clinic, not smoking crack any more. I really only use psychedelics anymore and that's just from time to time because I am trying to get my take-homes from the clinic again after having moved and having them all taken away (they treated me like I had never been on a clinic before even though I had a year and a half clean). Hopefully one day I can get on a pain clinic and get my methadone prescribed to me because I broke my back twice already and I'm only 21...Sorry for rambling on but since there really wasn't a question asked in the thread I just figured I would post up my experience with when I first started using dope (and crack).

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    I remember this one time when I started fuckin with h. Snorting it got me high but not now its like lighting money up on fire fuck that need like half a bundle to get high. I prefer shooting but don't bcuz I've got some self control and don't like thee idea of bein that person. Pills where its at for me now pop a couple n chill
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    I have been using heroin for a little over a year snorting it exclusively. Never used a needle until a few days ago. But holy shit, caught in the middle of Hurricane Sandy with a few friends with a brick of heroin, I said, fuck it. It was taking me four bags to even experience a decent nod anymore. So I put three bags in a cooker, took out a new needle, got everything ready, and told my drug friend to hit me. He did and oh my fucking god. I have never experienced something like that in my life. It is like a different drug altogether. It doesn't even produce the same effects! I guess there isn't really a question to be answered here, just snorting users and needle users comparing effects. I'm telling you, the difference is 100% different. With that being said, let's welcome me to a lifelong experience of when being sick, puking my brains out and shitting my pants. Before, it was only the RLS I had to worry about...Would you rather, after knowing all the negative effects of IV heroin, had ever started shooting to feel this very enchanced high? Or if you knew the effects would you have stayed snorting it? (I assume most of you started out snorting it)
    I think the fact that you are rationalising at enough to ask this question is proof enough that you shouldnt start shooting. You love the high now, but you will forever be chasing that first time you shot...and the high will never be the same as that first IV. Don't do it.
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    I remember reading this thread a few months back. I'm curious to see how OP is doing as far as if he's still snorting, exclusively IVing or hopefully got the monkey off his back.
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    It seems a lot of people switch to injecting from vaporizing or snorting. Heroin wasn't my first strong opioid, it was morphine. It was clear for me I was supposed to inject it to feel desired effects. And actually at that point I was already addicted to codeine and it was giving me nothing. I just wanted to go deeper and I didn't have a problem with using a needle. I can answer the question differently.

    I would never have started using opioids in doses producing the high if I had known it would produce such a strong addiction both physically and psychologically it's very strong to stop when you're in it.
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    op im sorry to hear u started shooting dope. i was stuck in hurricane sandy also! lol

    but srsly tho that sucks. ive done ALOT of shit which ive said i would never do, heroin being the big one. and im proud to say ive still never stuck a needle in my arm

    ive been so sick and times where i can only afford one measley stamp, everyone around me is shooting it, i know ill get barely anything if i snort this one bag, but i still always refused to slam it. i know many people who have gone from railing to banging and ive seen their lives deteriorate fast. a few friends of mine have even said no matter how much i beg them theyd never give me one of their sets to IV. not bc theyre worried about diseases bc most of them cudnt live with being the cause of that in someones life.

    from what i understand once youve slammed it you wont want it any other way. and that scares me
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    also once you iv one drug, any other drug you do that can be iv'd will be ran through your arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serotonin101 View Post
    also once you iv one drug, any other drug you do that can be iv'd will be ran through your arm.
    Eh I shot morphine and hydro/oxymorphone a few times.... been using heroin for over a year and haven't iv'd yet. I don't plan on it and I use with people who shoot.... been offered shots but said no. I really have a strong will power or maybe its the hypoglycemia (spelling)... I shake from low blood sugar so me using needles is too scary for me. Friends (lol) shot me up every time I did.

    But yeah most people have good veins and dont naturally shake.... so once you get a taste of the IV life then most tend to continue with it.
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    Back when I used to do heroin, shooting it was honestly the only way to go. I started off snorting it and my tolerance built up quick and I knew slamming it was probably the best bang for my buck. No pun intended

    I don't do heroin anymore but I do Roxicodone on a daily basis and I snort and take them orally. It really depends on the situation. I like to take them orally when I'm just chillin, working on music, etc... but I like to snort them when I'm with friends gettin' fucked up. This is a bit off topic but still, just my 2c.
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    I actually don't think the difference is that significant. Basically just the rush (and higher potency).
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