3,4-dichloro-methylphenidate (3,4-CTMP / 3,4-DCMP)

[babylonboy]

Nah, upper/downer combos are nice, it's not like if you do a load of speed and eat a load of valium you end up sober, is it? Heroin/cocaine also seems to be pretty popular with a certain crowd.

 

[Okami]

MDMA and ketamine

 

[foolsgold]

shit drug + shit drug = double dipped in shit combo

well the Pyrazolam aint shit imo i like a lot but iv changed my view on this stuff im still not normal i can tell the is something not quite right chemicalie in there

taking a benzo so you can calm yourself down from the stims youve taken...seems fucking pointless to me. Best to not do either?

its an norm with stim fiends its not so much as to take edge off its more like a form of speed balling i would guess uppers and downers

 

[Mailmonkey]

its an norm with stim fiends

not with me it's not. Or anyone IRL I know. Benzos are for sleep after stims.

 

[justinsayno]

^ re uppers and downers

the way ive always thought of it is - its like a when you fire an elastic band off your thumb [ a catapult would be a better analogy i guess but ive always pictured it as an elastic band ] the stims pull back on the band, creating tension, the downers release the elastic so it can fly..

obvs stims on thier own are good for focus and functionality but if you're wanting to get messy, fucked up and binge the uppers + downers [ + booze n weed ] combo is a good one. I always enjoyed the retroness of it too...feels like a very 70s thing to do...for some reason [?]

However, it seems that these rc stims need benzos to be fun [ not the case with good old ampet ] so yeah....pointless

 

[Ceres]

just seems a bit of the 'was an old lady who swallowed a spider' kind of deal. I'd rather not take stims that make me edgy as fuck to the point i need a benzo at the same time. But maybe I've just cained them enough in the past for the romance to be gone. I think this can happen.

 

[foolsgold]

it sure is where i come from most stim fiends are into drinking or dropping benzo on the stuff maybe try it you may enjoy it me i really do not care as long as i have over 5g of whatever stim i've got then im fine but this stuff is not for me can't do with this not being able to shut down at night properly first time in awhile ive found a chemical that has freaked my head out so much as this one has

just seems a bit of the 'was an old lady who swallowed a spider' kind of deal. I'd rather not take stims that make me edgy as fuck. But maybe I've just cained them enough in the past for the romance to be gone. I think this can happen.

yer you're right it can lose its magic thats why i mix in things like benzos or noids to the point of nodding at times with the stuff . ive been using over 20 years now and will never lose my love of getting high on stims even if the real magic that hooked me nowadays more a memory

 

[mydrugbuddy]

it sure is where i come from most stim fiends are into drinking or dropping benzo on the stuff maybe try it you may enjoy it me i really do not care as long as i have over 5g of whatever stim i've got then im fine but this stuff is not for me can't do with this not being able to shut down at night properly first time in awhile ive found a chemical that has freaked my head out so much as this one has

It sounds like you were really caining the 3,4. It's very strong shit. Glad you've decided it's not for you. I swear this compound is evil.

As for uppers and downers combos; I love them too. I had the most fun Ive had for ages a couple of weeks ago on a combo of ethylphenidate, etizolam, and lager. The combination of the 3 resulted in remaining alert and with it, whilst also becoming as relaxed and content as fuck. Great stuff.

 

[foolsgold]

yer its a weird one this stuff buddy really think is just best left alone never guess i would find a stim that looks as bad for me as phenazepam lol but this stuff is but just like with phenazepam i've a feeling it won't be my last try with it

 

[fastandbulbous]

just seems a bit of the 'was an old lady who swallowed a spider' kind of deal. I'd rather not take stims that make me edgy as fuck to the point i need a benzo at the same time. But maybe I've just cained them enough in the past for the romance to be gone. I think this can happen.

Yep, stimulants can almost feel 'normal' if you use them for a long time - I mean normal as in 'nothing out of the ordinary'. Just plain humdrum; none of the "anything can happen in the next 30 minutes"* feeling, no more heady, optimistic excitement, just matter of fact focused concentration. I used to love that frenzied, child just before christmas feeling. Or maybe it's a function of just being older (or just plain old! )

* - the dramatic warning at the beginning of am episode of 'Stingray' (wonders how many other auld gits remember that program?)

 

[Ceres]

that is definately the case for me, no fun atall anymore. The only stim I suspect might still be fun is MDMA, haven't done it in nearly a decade, but I'm not sure if my jaw could take it these days.

I do find it slightly concerning with this stuff that it makes me feel quite tired, I also don't like what it appears to do to my circulation. very unpleasant in cold weather, and seemed to give me some symptoms of reynauds syndrome in the extremities.

 

[Shambles]

I'm not sure if my jaw could take it these days.

Magnesium is your friend. I was always very doubtful about it until Carsick convinced me to try it at one of the Brizzle meets. Was an absolute revelation. Not even a hint of any jaw issues. Or any other muscle tension. Great stuff.

 

[fastandbulbous]

got sent a gram as a free sample (real I am, don't know- a product of bdeing so 'notorious'!) from someone I know who is a vendor. Seems OK, well for old man type focus only, but has that capacity that it will not stop. Beer, benzos - it takes a fair bit to stop the analytical part of the brain to stop looking for patterns in EVERYTHING around you. It basically feels like long lasting, watered down MDPV (pornograph tendancies included in this). Don't think I'd actually ask for some if/when this gram is gone (it will, most probably - a sad indictment!) and I thought I was done with that. Tried ethylphenidate and that was OK, but the levoacetoperane (reverse ester of methylphenidate) is one I'd be willing to give a go (again); it has marginally better binding figures than methylphenidate and it appears people like methylphenidate, so it seems a natural candidate. Who knows, someone, somewhere may well be beavering away... (yes I've tried it and it was fun, but that was twenty odd years ago and like I've said, the subjective feel of stimulants has changed for me with age/(overuse))

 

[Shambles]

A kindly soul sent me a sample of this stuff a while back but I managed to lose it after only dipping my toe in the waters with a ~5mg (probably less actually) tester. I know vaguely where it is but not gotten around to digging it out yet. But I rather like having drugs around that are not immediately accessible but still kindasorta know where they are

 

[fastandbulbous]

^ What, 3,4-DCMP or levacetoperane? Unsure of which one you mean. If it's the latter, find it and give an evaluation on here so I'm not just babbling on my own!

 

[Shambles]

Hehe. Sadly "only" 3,4-DCMP. I'm a bit common these days and don't get to lay me hands on quite so many rarities and obscurities as I once did, I'm afraid. But should any superkewl stims happen to cross my path I'll be sure to babble away at length

 

[mydrugbuddy]

that is definately the case for me, no fun atall anymore. The only stim I suspect might still be fun is MDMA

I think stims may be the only class of drugs i'll still be able to take after quitting opis and benzos. I'm not like these lucky people who can take them (opis and bezos) once a week, and leave it at that. I think I'll have to hang up my opiate boots oce and for all.

Coming off benzos is a long way away, but I'll probably be in the same boat with them.

Stims are kind of self-limiting for me, as in the longer i keep taking them for the worse i feel. So i could easily keep to once a week on them. Tis a bummer being a drugs pig without the discipline to restrict the use of adictive substances.

 

[Ceres]

I think the instant anxiety / stress / 0 pleasure response is maybe a learned association thing, from the last months of intense MDPV abuse I was sucked into, when I was really on edge 24/7 and tweaked out like a motherfucker.

Even seretonergic stims like methylone put me into a really shitty place mentally, and aren't fun.

I tried approx 2.5mg of this 3,4-CTMP this morning, it hasn't made me noticeably anxious but did help my concentration marginally, while still leaving me wondering if I'm gonna feel awful later today. Gonna bin the rest.

 

[foolsgold]

3,4,dtmp ? 3,4,ctmp ? two different drugs

 

[Shambles]

I very much doubt it. I thought it was 3,4-CTMP but went for Bulby Baby's nomenclature after he called it 3,4-DCMP cos he tends to be good wiv such things

Although I have a vague notion that all chems have various names and chemical nomenclature in general isn't as straightforward as us non-chemistry bods tend to assume.