Need some help please, considered trip reports but they dont answer my questions over there. I tried to ensure a non tweeked out post.
I need some clarifications regarding meth dose and symptoms. I know quality is impossible to know but i was wondering if somebody had a guide based on experience for help with managing/deciding dosage.
Also is there some kind of guide on the different levels of the experience, like those levels or categories for some other drugs like DXM, ketamine etc?
After many sessions i still struggle with dosage:
I generally take what are probably high doses nasally and orally, my issues:
1. When i first started recently, i forgot purchased product was meth and used like shitty coke, it was great, but bad comedown.
2. I figured, big OD dosages make it safer so why not get more fucked for more euphoria?
3. The crystal is similar in price to shitty coke, so same quality right? I learnt NO the hard way. Still dont get how 1g of crystal can equal prob 7 g's of coke, be way more fun, and for a similar price.
4. To small a dosage for me feels like coming down off a proper dose, which makes me redose
5. The anxiety symptoms of a big dose feels similar to coming off another dose, resulting in bad redosing
6. I have tested different dosages and the effects seem very similar across a large dosage range, its hard to guage effects and its inconsistent.
7. I am trying to test dosages to determine if there are different experiences that can be used or are preferable for specific sitations. EG: Fuck out dose or get some work done dose. Suggestions?
8. Even when side effects say no, the experience is still fun, need to know if dangerous, cut down etc
9. IV/smoking users take more so i can too. Wrong,i realised its the ROA here, not a bigger dose. But maybe effects of ROA mimic bigger dose due to efficient ROA?
Anyways, im tried to show dosage via an effects/experience chart. Level 2 to 8 are all enjoyable. Please refer to questions at the end.
Level 1: Half Cig Line - distracted, slight anxiety, very little euphoria, eyes normal, dick normal, craving more, effects mimic mcat, first dose always has little effect, as with other stims
Level 2: decent euphoria, no anxiety, focused, eyes noticably dialated, dick hiding, not craving more, no physical side effects, horny, nice tingles
Level 3: As above, noticably slightly blocked ears, "pop them often", physical fatigue (energy on meth my ass), peeing annoyance, want to talk, and can
Level 4: As above, more euphoria, mental shift to fun mode, cant do anything constructive, gas but cant shit (it never arrives), want to talk but dont need to also not advisable but should be safe
Level 5: As above, Intense focus forgetting surroundings, over confidence, complete disregard of wierd physical side effects, big euphora, breathlessness, no pain, remaining in single physical position for long time, constant swallowing, sniffing
Level 6: more euphoria, meth thoughts/revelations/obsessions/overanalysis/still fun, eyes black, entertaining audio wierdness, body feels strange, strange chest feeling (not good or bad) fast breathing, talking results in loosing track mid sentence and irrevelent tangents, weird conclusions and untrustworthy understanding of whats going on with people in the house
Level 7: As above, more euphoria, visual wierdness, noticing dust, minor visuals, shit is bright, surfing the net and images of people winking at you (awesome), the feeling that the girl in the pron is looking right at you, knows your there, and is performing just for you (awesome). Body aches, stiffness, cold body, hot head, completely unsure if it is hot or cold around you, sweating, heaving breathing, hands a feet tingling/cold, feeling numb, couging
Level 8: As above, more euphoria, sharp pain in hands sometimes when touching stuff, same with feet. Legs feel missing until moved, numb, could forget they are there, disconnect from body, difficulty interpreting body signals, EG: Couldnt feel heartbeat at all normally or with hands, some confusion like reduced awareness, reduced perephral vision, feels like you need to remember your surroundings or you could forget it forever, not fun focus resulting in staring at something for ages, obsession with relevant thoughts/discoveries, re thinking, thought looping (still fun, not out of control), finger spazzed out for a bit, like an alien trying to detach itself from my hand, only now does my jaw fuck out
Level 9: 1g finished, 48 hours later (2 days 2 nights): Day 2: This dose is probably 1/3 g dosage
This is where a big dose kicks in: Same as Level 8 but instantly a feeling of intense manic clarity hits, i feel like I sober up instantly but know im still fucked. It felt like i have suddenly awoken to my surrondings and situation, but i can still feel the drug lurking in hiding, like it backed off suddenly to make way for a far more dangerous sinister but mysterious presence.
I then begin to notice the negative side effects i was ignoring before, which remain the same as the prev level and realise that until now i was disregarding them completely when i usually would not have. I realise the insane "whatever, i dont give a fuck" attitude meth has which now seems dangerous, i rem all other stims i drink to take the edge off, thought meth was great as i didnt need to do this, no side effects, i realise now they are there just disregarded.
To clarify, its not like i got anixiety at all, its more like just became aware of stuff all of a sudden and meth obsession and analysis took over. Like the drug decided to let me know "He dood, take it easy, check out these warnings".
I start to worry about some of the side effects. Firstly, my fucking hands have sharp pains in them, wtf, right vasco blah blah, hands are bright red though, no blue. Cant feel body or temp, not sure if im hot or cold.
Fortunately heart and breathing seem ok, or else id really stress.
I think, hell, my finger was freaking the fuck out earlier and i only thought it was interesting, possibly amusing, but irrelevant. Scary.
I then rem earlier after a long pron session getting up covered in sweat and basically hyperventilating. Didnt worry at the time. Doesnt sound to good for the body.
I then stress obsess about this for the rest of the day/dose and then as it begins to wear of as fast as it came I go back into the normal meth state where the symptoms remained but i now agaian didnt care and all was well. Wierd.
A major learning from the above experience. Do not eyeball oral dosages by pouring some shards out onto your hand in a darkened room while stressing about somebody coming in.
I realised that the QTY of crystal was in fact prob 4 or so half Cig lines.
This session now i have used much smaller dosages , prob used 1/8 of the G instead of almost half by this point with good results.
Obviously less still works so i have been wasting it seems, must be good quality. Bigger doses do still hold some rec value though.
My questions, please can somebody clarify:
1. AT what level above would it be generally considered to be taking to much? AT which level should i stop
2. Are those symptoms normal, any danger, which symptoms do i need to avoid.
3. Are those common day long pron sessions really safe, risks of heart issues? I would really hate to be found dead by my mother, dick in hand. You also dont notice getting tired, but even walking around is tyring.
4. Are there advantages of high doses or is the no fun cieling accurate to what i described? Am i missing something?
5. Optimal dosing advice? Nasally, smaller does more frequently seems best.
6. No anxiety or concerns seems to be risky, must take more note in future.
7. What was that finger thing and what does it mean?
Thanks friends.
I need some clarifications regarding meth dose and symptoms. I know quality is impossible to know but i was wondering if somebody had a guide based on experience for help with managing/deciding dosage.
Also is there some kind of guide on the different levels of the experience, like those levels or categories for some other drugs like DXM, ketamine etc?
After many sessions i still struggle with dosage:
I generally take what are probably high doses nasally and orally, my issues:
1. When i first started recently, i forgot purchased product was meth and used like shitty coke, it was great, but bad comedown.
2. I figured, big OD dosages make it safer so why not get more fucked for more euphoria?
3. The crystal is similar in price to shitty coke, so same quality right? I learnt NO the hard way. Still dont get how 1g of crystal can equal prob 7 g's of coke, be way more fun, and for a similar price.
4. To small a dosage for me feels like coming down off a proper dose, which makes me redose
5. The anxiety symptoms of a big dose feels similar to coming off another dose, resulting in bad redosing
6. I have tested different dosages and the effects seem very similar across a large dosage range, its hard to guage effects and its inconsistent.
7. I am trying to test dosages to determine if there are different experiences that can be used or are preferable for specific sitations. EG: Fuck out dose or get some work done dose. Suggestions?
8. Even when side effects say no, the experience is still fun, need to know if dangerous, cut down etc
9. IV/smoking users take more so i can too. Wrong,i realised its the ROA here, not a bigger dose. But maybe effects of ROA mimic bigger dose due to efficient ROA?
Anyways, im tried to show dosage via an effects/experience chart. Level 2 to 8 are all enjoyable. Please refer to questions at the end.
Level 1: Half Cig Line - distracted, slight anxiety, very little euphoria, eyes normal, dick normal, craving more, effects mimic mcat, first dose always has little effect, as with other stims
Level 2: decent euphoria, no anxiety, focused, eyes noticably dialated, dick hiding, not craving more, no physical side effects, horny, nice tingles
Level 3: As above, noticably slightly blocked ears, "pop them often", physical fatigue (energy on meth my ass), peeing annoyance, want to talk, and can
Level 4: As above, more euphoria, mental shift to fun mode, cant do anything constructive, gas but cant shit (it never arrives), want to talk but dont need to also not advisable but should be safe
Level 5: As above, Intense focus forgetting surroundings, over confidence, complete disregard of wierd physical side effects, big euphora, breathlessness, no pain, remaining in single physical position for long time, constant swallowing, sniffing
Level 6: more euphoria, meth thoughts/revelations/obsessions/overanalysis/still fun, eyes black, entertaining audio wierdness, body feels strange, strange chest feeling (not good or bad) fast breathing, talking results in loosing track mid sentence and irrevelent tangents, weird conclusions and untrustworthy understanding of whats going on with people in the house
Level 7: As above, more euphoria, visual wierdness, noticing dust, minor visuals, shit is bright, surfing the net and images of people winking at you (awesome), the feeling that the girl in the pron is looking right at you, knows your there, and is performing just for you (awesome). Body aches, stiffness, cold body, hot head, completely unsure if it is hot or cold around you, sweating, heaving breathing, hands a feet tingling/cold, feeling numb, couging
Level 8: As above, more euphoria, sharp pain in hands sometimes when touching stuff, same with feet. Legs feel missing until moved, numb, could forget they are there, disconnect from body, difficulty interpreting body signals, EG: Couldnt feel heartbeat at all normally or with hands, some confusion like reduced awareness, reduced perephral vision, feels like you need to remember your surroundings or you could forget it forever, not fun focus resulting in staring at something for ages, obsession with relevant thoughts/discoveries, re thinking, thought looping (still fun, not out of control), finger spazzed out for a bit, like an alien trying to detach itself from my hand, only now does my jaw fuck out
Level 9: 1g finished, 48 hours later (2 days 2 nights): Day 2: This dose is probably 1/3 g dosage
This is where a big dose kicks in: Same as Level 8 but instantly a feeling of intense manic clarity hits, i feel like I sober up instantly but know im still fucked. It felt like i have suddenly awoken to my surrondings and situation, but i can still feel the drug lurking in hiding, like it backed off suddenly to make way for a far more dangerous sinister but mysterious presence.
I then begin to notice the negative side effects i was ignoring before, which remain the same as the prev level and realise that until now i was disregarding them completely when i usually would not have. I realise the insane "whatever, i dont give a fuck" attitude meth has which now seems dangerous, i rem all other stims i drink to take the edge off, thought meth was great as i didnt need to do this, no side effects, i realise now they are there just disregarded.
To clarify, its not like i got anixiety at all, its more like just became aware of stuff all of a sudden and meth obsession and analysis took over. Like the drug decided to let me know "He dood, take it easy, check out these warnings".
I start to worry about some of the side effects. Firstly, my fucking hands have sharp pains in them, wtf, right vasco blah blah, hands are bright red though, no blue. Cant feel body or temp, not sure if im hot or cold.
Fortunately heart and breathing seem ok, or else id really stress.
I think, hell, my finger was freaking the fuck out earlier and i only thought it was interesting, possibly amusing, but irrelevant. Scary.
I then rem earlier after a long pron session getting up covered in sweat and basically hyperventilating. Didnt worry at the time. Doesnt sound to good for the body.
I then stress obsess about this for the rest of the day/dose and then as it begins to wear of as fast as it came I go back into the normal meth state where the symptoms remained but i now agaian didnt care and all was well. Wierd.
A major learning from the above experience. Do not eyeball oral dosages by pouring some shards out onto your hand in a darkened room while stressing about somebody coming in.
I realised that the QTY of crystal was in fact prob 4 or so half Cig lines.
This session now i have used much smaller dosages , prob used 1/8 of the G instead of almost half by this point with good results.
Obviously less still works so i have been wasting it seems, must be good quality. Bigger doses do still hold some rec value though.
My questions, please can somebody clarify:
1. AT what level above would it be generally considered to be taking to much? AT which level should i stop
2. Are those symptoms normal, any danger, which symptoms do i need to avoid.
3. Are those common day long pron sessions really safe, risks of heart issues? I would really hate to be found dead by my mother, dick in hand. You also dont notice getting tired, but even walking around is tyring.
4. Are there advantages of high doses or is the no fun cieling accurate to what i described? Am i missing something?
5. Optimal dosing advice? Nasally, smaller does more frequently seems best.
6. No anxiety or concerns seems to be risky, must take more note in future.
7. What was that finger thing and what does it mean?
Thanks friends.
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