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Dealing with Middlemen: Hints/Tricks for avoiding it or paying less while doing it

Bluehues- obviously some of your post was referring to parts of what i said. Yes there are all sorts of middlemen, but where ive come from, most of them are shady. And readily admit they rely on others to support their habit. I have been a broke junkie myself back in 2009, sleeping in shelters or the all night bus routes, and once even in a sleeping bag and cardboard in the flower district of downtown la. I know what its like to be a broke junkie, and middlemanning supported my habit for sevral months. Its not hard to make connects, you just have to have the balls to go to the homeless or druggy districts and network. I met my current dealer of 2 1/2 years at a swap meet in southcentral.

After middlemanning and being tired of homeless, i tried to ween myself down to only using twice a day, once in the am and once in the pm, instead of five times a day. You do not need to be independently wealthy to maintain a dope habit. I get paid daily (im an escort, and you make much more money when you clean yourself up than look like an obvious junkie, and when i cut back my appearance improved drastically) so i get paid about three times a week, or whenever i want to work. Its usually boring crap like dressing up and going to bars or dinner parties. Th isnt illegal, you can apply for an escort license in the state of CA if you have no prior prostitution charges, its the same as a business license. Well now i am methadone in the morning so i only do a shot at night. My point is, ive been a broke middleman junkie and have moved up to being a self supporting heroin user, also able to pay my bills, rent, car ins, phone, groceries, etc. I have been a down in the dumps broke dope sick junkie to becoming a functioning addict in about a year and a half. The cravings come frequently, but usually ,5-1mg of xanax will curb them.

And like i said i know A LOT of peoples whos current purpose in life is to hoard dealers numbers and wait on people to call them, because they have no other way to support their habit. Now if you have a FRIEND who can get fire and you call him up, yea i guess thats technically middlemanning but i see it more as a buddy hookin you up.

Now bluehues you barely know me and i barely now you, but im def no noob and im sure you arent either so i dont see where you get off calling me one. Like i said, the middlemen i know could not give a FUCK about going to jail, all thats on their mind is what theyre getting out of the situation and how soon theyll be well. Most middleman are in the game to peel and steal from you, why do you think the title of this thread is tips and tricks dealing with middlemen? Because theyre shady.

I dont know if you were pointing at me thinking i think heroin is a party drug and im immune from addiction, saying some people from BL think this, but if you think that far from the truth. Ive been arrested several times (not proud at all, but did complete court ordered programs) and have been in the depths of addiction, i know what its like, so instead of acting superior, why not just read other peoples stories and accounts with middleman, and know that its their own point of view, instead of trying to say theyre naive because theyre not a super junkie.

Ive read your post here and respect what you say, you have obviously been around and i think you add valuable input, but it seemed much of your post was directed at my previous post. If not, i apologize, but it seemed to be.
 
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^Some of it may have been, I'll admit...but the idea that someone who gets drugs for someone else and supports most of their habit that way is automatically out to fuck everybody just isn't true...I've read your posts around BL and don't think you're inexperienced or naïve...what I think doesn't really matter anyway...A lot of "middlemen" are out to screw you....but I've gone way out of my way to get people drugs who couldn't get it on their own, and I've eventually even given some of them really good dealers who weren't shady at all....If you found yourself in a pinch and had no clue where to find drugs and you were sick, you would thank God to have my number when you were sick at 11pm on a Monday night...

There's a a few people on here that are living in a fucking fantasy world, in the honeymoon phase with certain drugs and have absolutely no idea what they're talking about....Heroin is not the drug where 90% of the people that do it are using it on the weekend, doing lines on the patio by the pool and calling up their friendly neighborhood dealer to come by and drink a couple Margaritas and do a few lines with them, that was a show called "Miami Vice" in the '80s, and it was cocaine....Sure there's people who do it on the weekend, for a little while, and there's nice dealers out there who will deliver it poolside, but to try and talk shit about people trying to hustle enough to get by to support their habit while all you've ever done is chip for 2 months while living at your parents house driving the car they bought you...All I have to say, give it another couple months and tell me how it's comin along with those car payments, your friends, your job, and your grades....

I'm sorry to you, I don't wanna get any heavier with it....

Sorry to double post, the edit function ruins my posts for some reason....

Yeah, I'm not trying to be to heavy on this...I need to calm down and just let shit go...I have too much time on my hands, when I'm drugs I'm such a relaxed guy! I guess I just hate to see people take shit so lightly....

I see myself 10 years ago in so many other people's posts on here, I take things personally when I shouldn't...
 
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let the middle man call the dealer with your phone and when he deletes the number so you dont find it cuz hed rather make $35 a bun off you thats when you just go into your detailed calls and get the number yourself. thats what i did lol
 
I've literally followed middlemen without them knowing when having them score for me, watched where they went to score/who they met with, and approached the connect myself afterwards. It takes some convincing at first to get the person to believe you're legit, but when I explain my connection to the middleman and that I was just tired of getting shafted (and also usually throw the guy a little cash on good faith just for talking with me) they give in and start seeing me.
 
The definition of a middle man is confusing to me. Where do you draw the line between dealer and middle man?

If a person buys 50g of [insert illegal drug] directly from a manufacturer then sells it at street level, is he a dealer or a middle man?

It's easy enough to distinguish between a dealer and a middleman; a dealer is someone who buys largish quantities of a substance and then sell said substance at the going rate. He's someone who will have the substance on him ready to pick up when you call him. But a middleman is someone who will go to see the dealer on someone else's behalf, buy only that specific, sought-after amount of the substance, and charge the person more than what the going rate is or sell it at the going rate but ask for something in return (usually a few bags or a little bit of whatever substance it is).

I don't see middlemen anymore, and I absolutely refuse to... everyone knows just how much I hate middlemen. I've actually never been ripped off before, but I've had some close calls before.

I stole one middleman's dealer after going through the kid for a while and getting tired of all his nonsense. I had seen the number he punched into his phone, memorized it, and then wrote it down when he wasn't looking, and then one day I called the dealer up and made my case. It took a lot of convincing, but he eventually agreed to it, and man, oh man, was it the best feeling ever when I met him and he said "yeah you don't need to go through so-and-so anymore..." It was an even better feeling when the middleman called me to bitch about it. Yeah I took your dealer... cry about it.
 
let the middle man call the dealer with your phone and when he deletes the number so you dont find it cuz hed rather make $35 a bun off you thats when you just go into your detailed calls and get the number yourself. thats what i did lol


what is the worst (besides the worst) that could happen if one did this? Think you're a nark or click, and tell the person whose phone you got the number out of?? Esp. if it's a H dealer as far as I know weight only no less than half g


I quoted the wrong post last night, sorry, I was very sleepy. fixed now.
 
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Once you start getting past the street level with drugs like coke and H, trying to "go over someone's head" could get you shot, or at least earn you an ass kickin! That's usually among dealers in the hood and doesn't much happen with users. If the guy wants to sell to someone that's his business!

One of my good friends was in detox one time and ended up leaving with this older scumbag dude who had a car and money and wanted to go get high. For some reason the guy couldn't get ahold of anyone to cop from. My friend suggested they call me but the guy didn't want to. My friend said he knew of a place that I usually went and the guy talked him into just showing up at this house to try and cop for them from my dealer who he never met! the dealer had seen him with me before but this guy really didn't like dealing with new people. Long story short my friend basically got physically thrown out the door and told that if he ever showed up like that again he'd get completely fucked up!

Getting a number is one thing, but going to where somebody lives or where they deal out of is much scarier! I've done it a few times...One time I ended up in a basement surrounded by about four big black dudes with the white wife-beaters and the face tats and fuckin steroid muscles all askin me, "Yo, Let me your phone! What kind a phone you got?!"...The way they were lookin were at me made me so nervous...but I played it cool, told them what I wanted and gave them the money... They went upstairs and a few ,minutes later actually came back with my powder! I got a number too and ended up dealin with those dudes for awhile, but that scared the shit out of me!
 
One of my old connecs told me fuck no when i tried to set up a friend to go see him. Guy moved a lot of weight and was sketched about meeting any more "whiteboys" lmao. Everyone else was cool about it tho, for a while, and i mean a while i had to middleman out of complete neccesicty. Id gaurded those numbers with my life and would get pissed if someone backdoored me, but what the fuck, if i knew then what i know now i wouldnt have cared as long as it was cool with my guys. Best was my big weight guy bc hed trade a half o of b+ weed he thpught was "kush" in 15 20 bags for 15 20s to a gram of raw (15 20s being like 1.3) and i most def was not paying that much for the bud so it was a good ass deal.
 
Getting a number is one thing, but going to where somebody lives or where they deal out of is much scarier! I've done it a few times...One time I ended up in a basement surrounded by about four big black dudes with the white wife-beaters and the face tats and fuckin steroid muscles all askin me, "Yo, Let me your phone! What kind a phone you got?!"...The way they were lookin were at me made me so nervous...but I played it cool, told them what I wanted and gave them the money... They went upstairs and a few ,minutes later actually came back with my powder! I got a number too and ended up dealin with those dudes for awhile, but that scared the shit out of me!

Yeah, man. I've had a couple of experiences like that before, meeting up with real "gangbanger" types, for lack of a better term. There aren't too many spots in the city around here where I would be afraid to go, even at night, but this one guy would meet his custies exclusively at this one real hot spot. The neighborhood was fucking dangerous and I hated going there. He was the one who we actually stole from our middleman. I was nearly shaking the first time I went to go meet him by myself. He rolls up in his Infiniti (for some reason, most of the dealers we know drive Infinitis), I hop in, and he's leaning on the door hard with his arm sort of tucked in where I can't see it like he's got a fucking gun...

Don't know what happened to him. He had good dope, too, and no one else had it... the stamp was always a pair of lips, like a lipstick kiss-print, in either pink or blue. He just like... disappeared and I never heard from him again. But he was definitely a "gangsta"
 
^Yeah, not to be racist but where I'm from, which is about an hour from you...the black dudes with the cocaine are usually a little scarier than the PRs or DRs with the dope, not all of 'em, but in general...Once you know 'em it's generally cool, but I'm always on edge with some of the people I've met...There's businessmen who are bad-ass dudes but wouldn't fuck someone up for no reason, but there's some violent, unpredictable people out there too...
 
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I had one dude who was always really pleasant until one day he thought we were trying to screw him (we weren't) and he straight-up told us, "let's get one thing straight: I'm a convicted felon who's done time, seen and done it all; I'm a sex offender. I'm a rapist. I'm a kidnapper, and I'm a murderer. I'm a nice guy, and I'll see you, but don't you ever fuck with me."

I'm sure there are guys out there who would simply tell this shit to a couple of white kids to scare them, but this guy seemed like he was no joke, and the way that he said it was so unbelievably terrifying. I wanted to get him out of the car as quickly as possible. I'm not sure whether he's ever truly killed anyone, but I do know that he's a sex offender and a rapist (checked up on his criminal record and also heard about it through the grapevine...) so, who knows? It was scary, though, and needless to say, we don't see him anymore.
 
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I had one dude who was always really pleasant until one day he thought we were trying to screw him (we weren't) and he straight-up told us, "let's get one thing straight: I'm a convicted felon who's done time, seen and done it all; I'm a sex offender. I'm a rapist. I'm a kidnapper, and I'm a murderer. I'm a nice guy, and I'll see you, but don't you ever fuck with me."

I'm sure there are guys out there who would simply tell this shit to a couple of white kids to scare them, but this guy seemed like he was no joke, and the way that he said it was so unbelievably terrifying. I wanted to get him out of the car as quickly as possible. I'm not sure whether he's ever truly killed anyone, but I do know that he's a sex offender and a rapist (checked up on his criminal record and also heard about it through the grapevine...) so, who knows? It was scary, though, and needless to say, we don't see him anymore.

Why did he think you guys were trying to screw him?
If he told me that whole rapist/kidnapper/murderer bullshit, I'd tell him to get the fuck out of my car and shut the fuck up.
I don't have any respect for those kind of people.
 
Why did he think you guys were trying to screw him?
If he told me that whole rapist/kidnapper/murderer bullshit, I'd tell him to get the fuck out of my car and shut the fuck up.
I don't have any respect for those kind of people.

He would say that we were seeing other dealers and only seeing him when no one else was around, which, was partially true lol but that's because he's such a sketch ball. It really offended him, I guess.

And yeah, he wasn't a very likable or respect worthy person.
 
Black folk run shit in the city I cop out of and these people are pretty great to deal with.
On time, professional, will give deals, kick extra bags for new custies, etc. A lot of them also drive Infiniti's(?)
But I've also been in black neighborhoods in NY/NJ trying to cold cop and was fairly sure I'd end up dead.
I suppose it's like saying all whites are flag waving yokels. There's plenty of them, but you can't paint with a broad brush.
I'm not saying that to anyone. Probably to myself more than anyone.
 
Black folk run shit in the city I cop out of and these people are pretty great to deal with.
On time, professional, will give deals, kick extra bags for new custies, etc. A lot of them also drive Infiniti's(?)

I mean they made it out of NY/NJ.. they're doin something right.
 
For white people it's a downgrade I guess...

I imagine they move'd to CT from a even sketchier area..

Or they're the black people in Albany I used to know.. a lot were just lying low hiding out from NY/NJ and not trying to make noise.
 
Over here whores and a majority of street guys will get you fixed. Every middleman of this type I've dealt with can be persuaded to give up their dealer and vouch for you small one off fee( usually a bag or a rock). This is especially true if they're sick.
 
Over here whores and a majority of street guys will get you fixed. Every middleman of this type I've dealt with can be persuaded to give up their dealer and vouch for you small one off fee( usually a bag or a rock). This is especially true if they're sick.

True, but this is also another way of putting yourself out there and getting marked.
Not likely to happen, but still, you should always be aware.

Black folk run shit in the city I cop out of and these people are pretty great to deal with.
On time, professional, will give deals, kick extra bags for new custies, etc. A lot of them also drive Infiniti's(?)
But I've also been in black neighborhoods in NY/NJ trying to cold cop and was fairly sure I'd end up dead.
I suppose it's like saying all whites are flag waving yokels. There's plenty of them, but you can't paint with a broad brush.
I'm not saying that to anyone. Probably to myself more than anyone.

I love the whole "I'm going to get shot in NJ/NY mentality' lol, cracks me up.
As long as you know what you're doing and you don't do any stupid shit, you'll be alright.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but, as long as you know where to go and you don't venture outside the area you'll be in good hands.
Having a body on the block is never good for the clientele.
 
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