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    Desomorphine aKa "Krokodil" Skin tissue dies and dries
    Desomorphine attracted attention in 2010 in Russia due to an increase in clandestine production, presumably due to its relatively simple synthesis from codeine, Since the home-made mix is routinely injected immediately with little or no further purification, "krokodil" has become notorious for producing severe tissue damage, phlebitis and gangrene, sometimes requiring limb amputation in long-term users. The amount of tissue damage is so high that addicts' life expectancies are said to be as low as two to three years -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krokodil_(drug)


    Scary stuff, Maybe will make some people think twice before using Heroin.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by illmantos View Post
    Scary stuff, Maybe will make some people think twice before using Heroin.
    Where are the similarities, besides being both morphine derivatives often used by IDUs?
     

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    Is the actual chemical dangerous itself?
    Or is it that the people who make this drug do such a bad job that the end result isn't just desomorphine, but is a cocktail of diff chemicals, alkaloids, and by products along with the intended chemical?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venrak View Post
    Where are the similarities, besides being both morphine derivatives often used by IDUs?
    It seemed like it might be a cheaper substitution and more potent and people wouldn't know.

    Is the actual chemical dangerous itself?
    Or is it that the people who make this drug do such a bad job that the end result isn't just desomorphine, but is a cocktail of diff chemicals, alkaloids, and by products along with the intended chemical?

    I think its all that together the addictiveness , the cocktail of chemicals, and the drug its self, people struggle with regular heroin this stuff is times twelve more potent.
     

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    They are two different substances. One is a home made unstable chemical that will eat your flesh off your bones

    The other heroin. Addictive soul crush drug.

    Two totally different drugs.

    Desmorphine (pharmacutical) and krocodil (home/street) made are really different.

    Krocodil has impurities from being made from chemicals and codeine that will eat your flesh off your bones.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine#section_1
     

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    Desomorphine is simply a potent opiate, 'krokodil' is red phosphorous, iodine and random alkaloids.
     

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    There have been at least 6 krokodil threads on BL in the past, we don't really need another
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/5...e-Desomorphine
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/6...29-experiences
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/6...e-Permonid-%29
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/5...odil-Chemistry
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/5...in-Substitutes
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/5...Krokodil-Tears

    Conclusions:
    Desomorphine is a totally safe opioid comparable to levomethorphan but is produced in a crude and mostly toxic form on the street in a process similar to meth manufacture. It's rarely purified and quite often injected. The left over iodine, hydroiodic acid etc eats tissue very rapidly and since deso is a painkiller it's a lot easier to ignore than e.g. meth abuse damage. The east european Krokodil users are very desperate beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo777 View Post
    Is the actual chemical dangerous itself?
    Or is it that the people who make this drug do such a bad job that the end result isn't just desomorphine, but is a cocktail of diff chemicals, alkaloids, and by products along with the intended chemical?
    It's the shitty ghetto ass process they use. Pure desomorphine is not any more dangerous than other opi's... Who knows if they're even getting desomorphine from their recipe. And they're shooting like 30cc's of red-brown milky dusty CRAP ever two hours (short H-L) so its no wonder the damage they're doing. The documentaries are horrific. This makes street level bay area tar look positively sanitary lol. Which it ain't!


    Also they're making it from OTC codeine which has other active ingredients and a bazillion fillers and binders. Probably a bunch of Unreacted codeine and other general garbage and unintended byproduct in this shit from their absolutely moronic methods
    I'm sorry but no withdrawals in the world justify ingesting this to avoid them
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoeylynn View Post
    They are two different substances. One is a home made unstable chemical that will eat your flesh off your bones

    The other heroin. Addictive soul crush drug.

    Two totally different drugs.

    Desmorphine (pharmacutical) and krocodil (home/street) made are really different.

    Krocodil has impurities from being made from chemicals and codeine that will eat your flesh off your bones.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine#section_1
    Zoeylynn has it down.

    There was another thread covering this, The Drug That Eats Junkies.
    Which Sekio might have included in his links. Desomorphine in itself is no more dangerous than any other narcotic. Pharmaceutical Desomorphine which I believe is available in England(?) is basically very similar to Diacetylmorphine (heroin), in that it is more potent than morphine and creates a strong 'rush'. However I have heard from a bluelighter (I forget the name, it should be in one of the krokodil threads on bluelight) that had access to pure Desomorphine, and described it less euphoric than heroin but stronger.

    Their is also a possibility that the end result from home made krokodil is not even Desomorphine but another byproduct with some opioid activity such as a-iodomorphide (check out adder's post in the krokodil chemistry link that Sekio provided). Therefore Desomorphine might be the goal when cooking krokodil, but the end result may contain very little to 0 actual Desomorphine and rather other opioids that are a result of the poor synthesis. Not to mention they are not filtering the solution, and injecting whatever opioid they actually come up with, alongside a ton of horrible byproducts used in the production such as iodine and I believe even heavy metals. Add to all that, needle exchanges are pretty much illegal in Russia, and there are no ORT such as buprenorphine maintenance or methadone. This leads to the rapid spread of HIV throughout the IV using drug community.

    All in all, this is scary stuff. But if Russia was more liberal in its drug policies, people wouldn't be going to such desperate measures to get high, or probably just alleviate withdrawals. I mean, think about it. In the US, and other countries, people that get addicted to heroin can get on methadone or buprenorphine. But in Russia, this is not really an option. So what does the heroin addict do? Turn to a home made opioid which is stronger than heroin, and about 10x cheaper as well. I am also unsure about what kind of access drug users even have to harm reduction resources, but I imagine your average krokodil user has long ago sold their computer, if they even had one to begin with.

    In my eyes it goes like this:

    user becomes addicted->user can't afford heroin any longer, or can't find it->there is no Methadone. There is no buprenorphine->out of desperation, the Dependant person, with little education on krokodil turns to it as a heroin substitute.

    Believe me, this is not a trend that is going to pass on to other countries. This is the tragic product of a country with fucked drug policy's. At least that's my oppinion.
     

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    This topic has been beat to death, this has naught to do with heroin, and the damage being done here is not desomorphine, there's nothing wrong with desomorphine, in fact it's on my To-do list. It's the absolute shit "synthesis" that leaves impurities that are injected.

    Further discussion can go on in any of the half a dozen existing threads.
     

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