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    Honestly I'm surprised that this bulkiness is tolerated. Anyway it's interesting reading about this, I'm gonna keep my eye on it. For me personally I am first curious to see how AL will turn out and that won't be for quite some months.
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    what do you mean by bulkiness? Like that you have to take a lot? It's a lot less bulky than mescaline in that respect.
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    No, I mean for a moment I thought that the allyl moiety would be bordering on steric hindrance (not fitting in the receptor well anymore because of sheer size) and that methallyl would pass the line and therefore be more subtle than the already subtle allylescaline... however I was mistaking allyl for crotyl when trying to picture it when I posted that.
    Still, I would have expected it to be more weak and/or strange, keeping things like 2C-iP, 2C-Bu and 2C-T4 in mind.
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    Oh, haha, you meant molecular bulk!

    Well, I haven't tried AL, so I can't compare the two. I would say that I was surprised at the strength of the effects of the MAL because I was basing my expectations on the mostly underwhelming trip reports out there for AL.
    Given that I ingested a total of 20mg over the course of about 2 hours...the effects were pretty strong. I wouldn't say boring at all.
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    I was hoping for a little more info on this MAL before i tried it but alas I will have to go with what litttle info there is here. I have some sitting in my closet and am going to go for a moderate to high-moderate dose this weekend to go with some outdoor nature activities. I will report with the results. Considering the dosages mentioned here MAL seems a little pricey where I have seen it, I wonder if this is why not as many have tried it. Def sounds better the AL which I also tried
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    If it is your first time, why don't you start off low?
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    I ... am going to go for a moderate to high-moderate dose this weekend to go with some outdoor nature activities. I will report with the results. Considering the dosages mentioned here MAL seems a little pricey where I have seen it, I wonder if this is why not as many have tried it. Def sounds better the AL which I also tried
    I would be cautious at starting high, based on the Pihkal reports.
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    I would be cautious at starting high, based on the Pihkal reports.
    45mgs lasted about 12 hours, pretty trippy headspace but not too deep. Visuals were different, but not that strong. I probably wouldn't obtain this chem again. It was pretty hard on my digestion system, harder than most other things I have right now. I may like my experience with AL better but it may be that a lower dose my find the sweet spot with this chem and higher doses don't produce greater results to a point.

    I also may try a lower dose in combo with DOC because of their similar duration.

    I'm terrible at describing my experiences compared to some others on here so thats just a cliff notes of what I got.
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    I tried MAL for the second time last night, taking one 30mg dose after having a couple of drinks & very long work day. I was recovering from severe bronchitis, so I can't be surprised that the physical effects were worse by a multitude this time. Experienced cyclical waves of extreme nausea, vomiting, followed by muscle tremors and then a wave of increased psychedelia. Towards the end of the trip I had a moderate headache and bruxism. I became very empathetic towards some of the comments in Pihkal.

    There were still worthwhile moments (especially after the peak), sense of touch and sound were enhanced & euphoric. Listening to music was visceral. Not typical visuals, no ripples or fractals -- instead, visual tricks like street signs with switched around letters. "Popular Community Bank" read as "Popular Communist Bank;" other signs flashed Philip K. Dickian messages at me. During the peak of the trip I would have moments where I couldn't focus my eyes and very low light was almost unbearable.

    Despite a truly awful couple of hours where I felt like I had the worst stomach flu, followed by 6 more hours of intermittent nausea: I think I will try this again. Next time I will avoid alcohol and be better-rested. I will also stagger doses in 10mg increments over a couple of hours.

    In several ways MAL feels closer to synthetic mescaline than any other chemical I've sampled. I remember also experiencing waves of nausea followed by waves of intense psychedelia. The sensory enhancement feels similar.

    I took it with 3 other people, and none of them were as badly affected as me. Everyone felt a bit sick for a while but 2 people were able to comfortably drink alcohol all night without negative effects.
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    Thanks for the report Bunny. I still haven't gotten around to trying this one yet, although I did buy some.

    Do you think something like ondansetron or diphenhydramine/dimenhydrinate could alleviate some of the stomach related issues? I think they would. Maybe ginger aswell.

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    I became very empathetic towards some of the comments in Pihkal
    I don't understand, you mean that you could relate to them? if that's what you mean, then which ones? there's some negative and some positive.
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    Do you think something like ondansetron or diphenhydramine/dimenhydrinate could alleviate some of the stomach related issues? I think they would. Maybe ginger aswell.
    I think breaking up the dose and starting on an empty stomach (mine was full of margaritas) would help a lot! I'm also really sensitive to phenethylamines in general as far as GI problems go, other people weren't as badly affected. I'd guess that if you are sensitive to 2cx's you might have some difficulty with MAL.

    Weed helped me a lot, but I'm a frequent smoker. I didn't notice marijuana increasing the intensity of the trip, in fact it seemed to dampen it down a bit.

    I would love to try ondansetron but have no idea how I could. Ginger might have helped. I plan to try lemon oil when I get around to sampling 2-ct-2 and 2-ct-21.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fagott View Post
    I don't understand, you mean that you could relate to them? if that's what you mean, then which ones? there's some negative and some positive.
    These ones:

    (with 45 mg) Too much overload. I am sur-rounded with unreality.
    Definitely felt like this coming up. My eyes could not be trusted!

    (with 45 mg) I am basically favorably impressed. I believe the initial discomfort would be alleviated by taking two 30 milligram doses separated by an hour.
    45mg at once would have been torture for me, but I think I could handle 3 15mg doses

    (with 60 mg) Extremely restless. Am very impressed with all the activity. But if I repeated it would be at a lower dose.
    The tremors in my legs were really intense. Everyone reported physical restlessness. After taking 30mg in one gelcap, we had 10mg boosters but no one opted to take more.
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    Any reports of nasal ROA and the difference in dose, onset, effects , bodyload and duration?
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    Is nasal 1/2 the oral dose for Methallyescaline ? What are the doses that are strong for those here that have been doing it?
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    I've only done this drug orally, but I did 40mg.
    It was a very mild but decent buzz, but it made it seem it would be good for nothing but a buzz.
    The visuals were extremely lacking, and the body high was mild

    EDIT: disregard that I only tried allylescaline, not sure te difference
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    iv only tried allylescaline sorry
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    I'm gonna take a guess here: probably nobody will be able to answer this question with any accuracy.

    Therefor, titrate that shit after an allergy test. Every week pick a day and increase the dose slightly until you have effects. 40 to 65 mg is the dose range from PIHKAL so I suggest testing beginning at 5 mg, this being roughly a tenth of the oral dose. Ramp up slowly from there. And report back and let us know what you find to be an effective dose.

    Not trying to be rude should you happen to take it that way, just seen lots of threads on uncommon chems via unusual ROAs die without an answer. Thus safe self-experimentation may be the way to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deinonychus View Post
    I'm gonna take a guess here: probably nobody will be able to answer this question with any accuracy.

    Therefor, titrate that shit after an allergy test. Every week pick a day and increase the dose slightly until you have effects. 40 to 65 mg is the dose range from PIHKAL so I suggest testing beginning at 5 mg, this being roughly a tenth of the oral dose. Ramp up slowly from there. And report back and let us know what you find to be an effective dose.

    Not trying to be rude should you happen to take it that way, just seen lots of threads on uncommon chems via unusual ROAs die without an answer. Thus safe self-experimentation may be the way to go!
    I agree with titration. So far (after initial allergy test) it has been oral ROA 25mg then 50mg . I might just stay with that ROA for now then once the highest dose is known for me, try nasal. Titrations is important, because who knows if there is a steep curve at a certain point of dose and what the difference is with ROA? I can't even locate a receptor profile for it either, so I have no idea if there is MAOI activity or anything else that can be of concern for HR.

    Seems like very few people have tried this, very limited info out there.
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    Mindset: Feeling of curiosity as I set off to try a new drug that so very few reports exist about it. Finally feel that my hobby of trying various psychedelic compounds can actually be beneficial to the psychedelic community. Apart from that, I feel refreshed after a good nightís rest.

    I will also note that I am very experienced with psychedelic compounds, having tried a wide array of Phenethylamines and Tryptamines. I have also explored disassociative compounds in depth. I will also note that I do partake in the Marijuana on a daily basis.

    Dose= 45 mg

    Time of ingestion= 9:35 (broken up into four parts space over one hour), fasted since dinner last night.

    (9:35 am): First dosage @ 15 mg consumed.

    (9:50 AM): Second dosage @12 mg consumed. When weighing out my dose, I took note of the present scent that I always associate with other phenethylamine drugs.

    (10:05 am): Third dosage @12 mg consumed.

    (10:20 am): Fourth dosage @ 6 mg consumed. First alerts appearing.

    (10:35 am): First waves of nausea are coming over me.

    (12:12 Pm): I am just starting to recover from the onslaught of nausea that has wrecked my body. I still feel extremely weak, and cannot really use this experience in any kind of favorable way. I vomited several times throughout the first couple hours. I have my girlfriend try to take my pulse, but she has a difficult time finding a sign of it. However, we didnít use any kind of blood pressure monitor, and just used her fingers and a timer to look for it. When asked later about it, she also notes that she didnít actively try to look further for it.

    (1:55PM): After managing to get a small lunch in me, with great difficulty, the trip is improving to something more useful and qualitative. There are definitely similarities between its parent compound, mescaline, and this one. Visual wise, they share much of the same geometric patterning, and kaeledoscope vision that is common on phenethylamine psychedelics. Some cartoonish fantasies are present in the visuals, which I usually get on other phenethylamine drugs, such as 2C-B and 2C-I. The visuals can be described as very shallow in quality, in comparison to some tryptamines like 4-Aco-DMT. However, my nausea is persisting and is still very much so present.

    (4:42 pm): Got high, feeling like a ++
    When I was walking back in from my walk, a neighbor down the street seemingly threw a tantrum. She screaming and shouting complete nonsense while staring me down from her front door as I passed by. It was quite the experience and left me feeling unsettled.

    (5:15 pm): Girlfriend had to go to the doctors; on her way out she says that cops have come to attend the crazy lady down the street. I begin to feel paranoid that the cops will investigate and knock on my door. I quickly put those thoughts away as crazy and decide it would be best to just lay low and watch some things on Youtube. At this point, I am still feeling pretty trippy.

    (6:15 pm): the girlfriend returns home and I feel as if my trip has come down a lot by this point. We are able to get much needed chores done, which take up to two hours.

    (8:00 pm): Throughout doing the chores, I completely stop tripping. I still feel extremely stimulated, but I am no longer see any kind of visuals.

    (8:35pm): I have just taken a shower, and although I feel clean I still feel very exhausted from the entire experience. The MAL has felt very taxing on my body. I have a head ache at this point, and feel overheated, although I am in shorts. I have taken 50 mg of diphenhydramine to take the edge off of things, and to combat the recurring nausea.

    (11:00-11:30 pm): Manage to fall asleep pretty easily.

    In summary, Methallylescaline is simply far too taxing on my body for me to ever want to try it again. The nausea was awful, and in comparison to the nausea felt off of Mescaline or 4-AcO-DMT felt much more toxic, although this is simply how my mind interpreted it. The nausea was most extreme during the first two hours of the come up, but remained present all day, except for a bit after having some Marijuana, and after I took that diphenhydramine. Although I did stay hydrated, after I was coming down I had a pretty headache until I got some rest. Like I said in my trip report, for the last few hours on the come down I began feeling like core temperature was overheating. On a positive note, I did feel a small afterglow the next day, which was nice, but it wasnít worth the negative side effects endured on this.
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    I've never had the pleasure of trying Mescaline or Allylescaline, and looking at SAR, I was a little skeptical about MAL; I also didn't like the reports PIHKAL or Erowid had...but I was still curious.

    I found threshold effects around 10-15mg via rectal admin which lasted up to 7-8 hours with residuals. Minor psychedelic and just a tease of CEV's for me. Some humor and relaxation. I'm honestly still getting used to 3,4,5 "TMA" group as it is; I've found I really tend to like them and this is no exception. I had escaline for the first time about six months ago, with the other (am)PEA's since.

    When I increased to 25mg, I had ++/+++ visuals had that nice fractal patterns (esp cev or in dark). Reminded me a bit of escaline, but like the experience itself had a sense of humor, though it took itself very seriously. Relaxing. I can only think of it as the way other people describe mescaline's psychedelic effect? The OEV's were minor to moderate which is mostly why I'd say I was ++/+++. My mind wasn't so gone I couldn't have a normal conversation. Higher dose...this time sleep without any aids took 10 or 11 hours.

    I hope to write a full report (with I's and everything, thanks for posting in the other thread about that btw) about one experience in particular -- 40mg MAL R-ROA. The OEV's had such a beauty that I cried. a lot. At first I didn't know if I was freaking out, but they were tears of joy and happiness. I had a good set and setting, and I realized that I just felt happy. I felt like I was phasing from reality to be left with my thoughts, visuals, and a distinct relaxation. Sleep took over 12 hours with 300mg etaqualone at T+12:30. Note: The intensity of this experience was +++/++++. It is the highest dose I've tried rectally, and while I'm disappointed that I felt so close to a +4....I was pretty laid bare, emotionally. I think I'd want a sitter or a place I knew I wouldn't be bothered by anything or anyone if I were to try this again.

    Chemistry section: : I'm assuming it's because of my rectal ROA, but I've never had any stomach problems whatsoever with any 'escalines. It's making me *not* want to try oral. I'll also add that MAL isn't particularly stimulating for me, though the last couple hours are definitely + moving into +/- which can stimulating. The 40mg experience probably turned from ++ to + at about T+10:30 or T+11:00

    On stomach pain, nasal, and ROA's in general -- I doubt nasal is really a great roa for this one. I'm going to assume it's painful, drippy, and will have mediocre BA based on an even longer non polar chain. But hey -- maybe it's good for splitting up doses so you can avoid that nausea.

    Honestly, I picked rectal for two main reasons. Firstly, although the 4 group isn't huge, I see plenty of options for pass 1 to have a major effect. Is it cool to think a dose is more efficient one way or the other? Well the compound is "12-16" anyway, so it's not like I really have to worry about metabolism.Yeah, I guess, but the number 2, and the biggest reason, removal of nausea. (:

    On stearics, I can't think of the van der waal's radius off the top of my head, and the same thought occurred to me about it being "big" over there. I made sense of it by remembering how huge something like iodide in the 4 position is and how 4-i pea' s still have activity. Some of them even the highest Ki for 5h2-a! The methallyl group really seems kinda small at that point.

    On dosing: Titration was 1, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15mgs over a several week period, for anyone wondering. It's hard to trust PIHKAL or TIHKAL on some of the rarer stuff other than as a rough guide, especially considering different people with different body types were taking different doses who were writing those experience reports...I didn't know that for a long time. For something more common, it's not so bad even to use boosters (esp with potentially 12+ hours) every so often in the 5mg range someone mentioned earlier. IMHO, anyway.
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    At 50 mg I find the stuff to be quite pleasant, body high is pretty good -- it's actually very, ahem, stimulating. There was a period of body loss -- I can't feel where my limbs are, or remember what I look like -- which was overall gentle and unfrightening.

    Trip turned out to be pretty controllable, which was good, because I remembered needing to work after taking it... ah, life.
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