Missimoo's handy-dandy B&D MXE thread summary
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missimoo
(thank'em for going through all the trouble, ya juvenile, jib jabbing jerks):
"1) Dose is highly variable depending in route taken, and tolerance, which builds fast. Dose ranges from a few milligrams to long term users using a gram + in a day (although i have never heard of anyone taking a whole gram in a go. DO NOT DO THAT. but you will be surprised how quickly a evening/night of "bumps" add up to a high dose. when people talk about their silly high doses most people mean in a duration of a binge, very few really hit the silly doses. Tolerance doesn't just go up fast italso goes down fast, which is a danger for overdoses..a few day or sometimes a single day break and you need half as much or less.)
2) route of administration varies the effect and strength of the drug - different people have their own favorites. 100 mg up the nose (high dose) might not do much for a heavy long term user this route but could be deadly IV or rectal, or hardly noticeable oral/sublingual (despite some claims sublingual is the best, most don't find this to be true)
3) despite a continued paranoia of negative health effects that can be seen by excessively long posts and replies, no one has got into any serious trouble (yet)...high doses will produce raise in blood pressure and heart rate to dangerous levels. to date, no one has done more then arrive in A&E and draw attention to the drug getting it banned in the uk. however the effects of a overdose ARE SERIOUS AND POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING and should not be underestimated. BPMs high enough for seizures/strokes have been common in A&E admissions fortunately as far as i know, no one has had one YET)
4) Narcism. Its all about ME. whilst under the influence
5) it will make you wobbly on your feet, talk like a spaz and despite giving you the illusion you are expressing yourself clearly and coherently whilst thinking/talking/typing essays on bluelight you are currently completely retarded, mania is a problem that compounds this problem for us all, but I don't like the word "mania" I've worked with manic patients, think of it as a stim, you wouldn't call someone on speed manic, you would say speedy/hyper. however they are still likely to rant on and on to anybody about alsorts of shit whilst on the substance....
6) most users love or hate it
7) no one so far who doesn't already have a mental health issue, or poly drug use/issues has come to any major mental health problems other then a panic attack which fades with a period of abstinence. this panic may last for some time after prolonged heavy use. but does go if you give it a rest
8) even the heaviest users who have gone through months of daily use, have been able to slow down, cut out use eventually. a honeymoon. this love affair seems to last a few months. before excessive tolerance or the positive effects of the drug vanish
9) heavy daily use ends up not just with a tolerance, but the drug stops working. (but can remain moorish and compulsive)
10) No one has managed to take enough to kill their bladder yet. People seem to "grow out of it" first.
11) It does not mix with MOST OTHER DRUGS.
12 the issue of "addiction" is one of definition. evidence of psychological dependence, but no physical addiction, no physical withdrawals. even the most outrageous users can give a period without use after the "honeymoon" . addiction to a drug is a huge thing, it takes over your life, takes away your relationships, will make you do whatever you have to do to get that drug at the expense of EVERYTHING including your own health and often to the point of your life- so far ive only read one or two tails of this with mxe but they were from poly drug users and there is no background to their "pre mxe" life...i.e. no stories of "the person that had it all, career, lover and kids" ending up giving head homeless in some alley way for a bump of mxe. it simply isn't that bad. thats what real addiction will do to you. liking something a lot and feeling guilty about it can explain 90% of "im addicted" posts" ...despite this, you can get addicted to anything. if you are worried, be it addiction, or your mental health, the last person to be objective is YOU. so get a second opinion.
13) it takes several days after stopping using it before you go "oh my head is clear" so give yourself a break.
14) tolerance will go down fast but ability to hole takes a lot longer to come back. as doest most of the magic . long term users report the loss of the afterglow, and the psychedelic aspects of the drug and are left with only a dopamine like rush with compulsive re-dosing. (particularly those who insufate (snort) the drug as fav ROA
15) it dehydrates you, remember to drink water. some people have had urinary infections and panicked that its bladder death, but its just because they have been on a binge and have been dehydrated for too long. (SO FAR no one has reported serious bladder issues despite a huge number of people who have been taking this drug for some time now often to excess. there is a lot of PARANOIA of bladder damage, but saying that, the potential for damage is REAL, just not as high as people thought/think...remember though, that the more you take, and the longer you take it for. the more real the risks will become. this is a RC. we REALLY DONT KNOW what the long term effects will be, but we can take a educated guess)
16) advice on these threads come from a range of drug users, the majority with a long history of poly drug use, when taking advise, look at the bigger picture, is this person a complete moron taking mixes of lots of chemicals over a long period of time, are they actually just cooked in the head anyway? or are they REALLY sensible and experienced, or just plain well educated in the matter.... quite often a look at someones "other posts" in different parts of blue light will give a clearer picture of who you are taking advise from. eg. if i said "ye, a gram a day is harmless, i used to do it all the time, im fine" you will probably find that ive posted somewhere else about being on some form of medication, or that actually 30 posts previously i was talking about aliens and how i couldnt stop taking the drug whist at the same time posting somewhere else about being sectioned, and loosing my friends and family..get where im going with this... choose who you take advise from. (i didnt do the above btw. that was an example...pmsl)
17) (I'm not 100% sure of this, but it seems to work, and others have posted it).taking a (low dose) of benzo reduces some of the negative effects ...ie "takes the edge off it". less panic, less mania. also been voiced, but no proof that this stops some of the neuro toxicity and protects your brain (a bit)...i believe this is true for DXM and probably the DXM pages is where it came from. verdict is out, make up your own mind)....obviously mixing drugs runs a big risk, high doses of mxe and benzos will not save you, they will make it more likely you get into trouble. emphasis on LOW DOSES.
18) some quote that you can always take more, but you cant take less of a drug, cant remember the reference..but its golden advise. small bumps add up to a higher dose and you can get a better idea of whats going to happen rather then risking shoving a huge amount in you at once."
