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    I've been using heroin going on three months now. use about 30 units three to 4 times a day..I'm quiting and was wondering how long ang how bad the withdrawls will be.my friend gave me about 10 10mg pills of methadone and 10 suboxone and was wondering how to administer them to help me with withdrawls.
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    First post? Welcome to Bluelight!

    You'll find this is a question that has been answered a countless number of times before. The Drug Culture forum is more for light-hearted discussion than specific drug-related questions like this one.

    I'm going to go ahead and move your thread on over to Basic Drug Discussion, but again, this is a question that has been answered before, so this thread may not stay open. I can't make any promises...

    To answer your question, though, and I'm not sure exactly how much 30 units is, but uh... if you're dosing three to four times a day and each time it's enough to get your rocks off, and you've been doing this fairly consistently for at least two or three weeks now, then uh... the withdrawals you'll experience might be considerable... considerably bad, yeah...

    You're going to want to use the methadone and suboxone wisely. I'll let someone with more experience chime in here and suggest a tapering schedule. The trick with suboxone is to taper off of it very, very, very slowly. (You're probably going to be breaking your suboxone biscuits into tiny little crumb-sized pieces toward the end of your schedule.)

    Hope this helps!
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    30 units is not very specific. 30 units is the amount of liquid in your rig, which could contain $50 worth of H or none at all.
    Heres a good guide for using sub.

    http://www.heroin-detox.com/detoxing...s-answers.html
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    Physical withdrawal will be gone within 4 days to a week. Psychological withdrawal can last significantly longer and depends on the individual. Be wary of methadone and suboxone. Many consider these "cures" worse than the disease, and you can easily trade one habit for another that is even harder to break.

    I am no expert in detoxing with methadone or suboxone. If I were you I'd simply reduce my dope use every few days to as little as would stave off sickness and ultimately quit when my dose had gotten low enough. If you just can't do it then look at suboxone. Honestly after only 3 months of use, I can't imagine you'd be so far down the rabbit hole that you couldn't climb back up without suboxone or methadone. It's largely a question of will. Other drugs can help, but you have to really WANT to quit.
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    Ive kicked heroin using both suboxone and methadone each seperate times, but the real question is do you wanna quit? I used suboxone the first time. I had been using very large quanities of good dope a day for about a year straight. I kicked with 8mg pills 3 times a day for like 4 days then went to 2 times a day, after like 3 weeks I started taking only one 8 mg tablet a day. Methadone my habit wasnt as bad as the first time. I went to a clinic and they started me out on 30mg. well I stayed in the clinic for 2 months and they had me on 100mg a day. They were continuing to increase my dose even then but I went to jail for 9 months. Each of those times I went back to using because I wasnt ready to quit. The time it worked was when I got fed up and quit cold turkey. If you can do that then you know you would do anything to kick that shit, and you know your chances of sobriety are higher. Be safe.
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    OP, I answered your question in the other thread that you started on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommyboy View Post
    What dose is in your 30 units that you use? 3 months isn't that long, so your withdrawals will likely peak between 2-3 days after your last dose, and you should start feeling better after that. For your habit you should try to stop "cold turkey" as others have said, but if you use medication you should only use it for a few days. I have done a 4 day methadone detox that was relatively painless, but using any longer than that can complicate things by just prolonging the inevitable withdrawals. A 2-4 day suboxone detox is another option, but again, only use it for a few days otherwise it will just complicate things. Part of withdrawals is from using high doses, and another part is from the amount of time on opiates, so a long taper may not be a good idea since it will lead to a longer period in which your body becomes more accustomed to operating with opiates in it, making the transition to having no opiates in your system a little more difficult.

    For information about opiate withdrawal and ways to ease the symptoms, check out this thread.
    One thing that I didn't mention was that you have to be careful with dosing the suboxone if that is what you choose to do. Taking suboxone too soon after your last dose of a different opiate will put you into precipitated withdrawals, which is a pretty horrible experience in which the suboxone rips the other opiates off of your receptors. In order to avoid this, you would need to make sure that you do not dose it while other opiates are in your system. Waiting at least 24 hours since your last dose, or until you are in moderate to severe withdrawals is how/when you should dose it.

    If you decide to take either methadone or suboxone, you can not take both. Methadone has a very long half-life, so you would have to wait a few days after dosing methadone before taking suboxone, but it would also be pointless to do this, so don't.


    EDIT: OP, I just read in your other thread that .1 lasts you two days, so you should just stop cold turkey, and maybe use some OTC meds to help you get through the withdrawal.

    Methadone or suboxone would probably raise your tolerance, so don't even bother with them. They would probably even make you sick if you used them. The bag of dope you are getting is probably equal to about 60mg of oxycodone, so if that bag is lasting you two days, your tolerance it too low to make methadone or suboxone practical options.
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    I agree with tommyboy, the symptoms should only last about 3 days, the second being the worst and with significant improvements on the third.

    I'd also recommend staying away from methadone and bupe, since this is your first WD, it should be manageable without. Maybe take one tiny dose of bupe (2mg max) when the symptoms are at their worst, but a taper is likely to just make things worse.

    I suggest stocking up on loperamide though, it works wonders if your habit isn't too large and you'll need something to stop the shits anyway. Look for the loperamide megathread, it has a lot of good info on using lope for WDs, and I can also confirm from personal experience that it's incredibly effective.

    Welcome to BL, good luck and stay strong.
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    As multiple users have mentioned so far, the duration of a WD is directly related to the half-life of the drug, and the amount of time you have been using.

    With buperenorphine, start low and work your way up. Don't take a full 8mg your first go; it could end with you in precipitated WD for what will seem like forever. Take maybe 1mg when you're feeling absolutely dreadful, and every 45-60 minutes (takes a while to kick in) take another 1mg until you're ok. Bupe has a LONG half-life, so when you go to re-dose next time, take half of what you ended up taking (in total) your first time. This will likely be the next morning. That evening (not too late or it will keep you awake), take the other half of the first day's dose. So if you took 4mg day 1 of bad WD's, you'll stabilize and then take 2mg the next morning, and 2mg later in the day. Day 3 take 2mg mid-day as your only dose. Day 4, if you need to take a dose at all, take half of the previous day's dose as late in the day as you can (still, not too late as to keep you awake). You may skip day 4 and need to take a small bit on day 5, but by this point you should be able to quit using anything at all and be done with it. You shouldn't need more than 32mg of bupe to achieve this, regardless of how much H you were using. My last taper was done w/ 4mg.

    These figures are just an example; you may need more or less. 1mg buprenorphine = 32mg oxycodone in terms of strength. I never needed more than 2mg to achieve the results I need - either maintenance (which drains me of all energy..) or a quick taper (last one down from 60-90mg/day oxycodone to zip in 4 days).

    Regarding methadone - I would avoid it given that you have bupe. If you're not ready to quit opiates and want to maintain for a while, then the methadone could possibly be a better choice than the bupe (I find long-term bupe to drain me to nothing - however some say the same about methadone and I haven't used it enough to really say one way or another).

    Good luck! As Tommyboy also said - a quick taper is usually a better idea than a long one for the reason also mentioned by him.
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    Ive kicked heroin using both suboxone and methadone each seperate times, but the real question is do you wanna quit? I used suboxone the first time. I had been using very large quanities of good dope a day for about a year straight. I kicked with 8mg pills 3 times a day for like 4 days then went to 2 times a day, after like 3 weeks I started taking only one 8 mg tablet a day. Methadone my habit wasnt as bad as the first time. I went to a clinic and they started me out on 30mg. well I stayed in the clinic for 2 months and they had me on 100mg a day. They were continuing to increase my dose even then but I went to jail for 9 months. Each of those times I went back to using because I wasnt ready to quit. The time it worked was when I got fed up and quit cold turkey. If you can do that then you know you would do anything to kick that shit, and you know your chances of sobriety are higher. Be safe.
    I just kicked 10 days ago an I'm still filling sick is this normal it's not as intense as the first 4days but I am still short of breath sneezing a lot an cold chills periodically not appetite an no sleep why all this still after 13days of no H
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    Also my legs are still bothering me a lot
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    Were you dabbling in benzos ? A lotta times junkies like myself get involved in other drugs and forget about it and focus on the drug of choice. I forgot that I powered through a bottle of benzos when I was kicking and I had to withdraw from that too so it added on to my symptoms significantly .
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    No but I I have been using for 4 years and about 3 grams a day
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    But who knows what they put in black Ya know
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    Quote Originally Posted by tylercallan View Post
    But who knows what they put in black Ya know
    ya that's so true. You could be withdrawing from impurities . But some people just go through symptoms way longer than others. You had a hell of a dope habit and long term at that so you're gonna go through way more shit than some little girl who took 20 MG of hydro for 4 months and has mild flu like symptoms for 3 days. Your legs are gonna fuck with you for a while in post withdrawal and I recommend walking. Get the blood flowing ,take a hot bath and massage your legs or better yet, have someone else do it.
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    Physical withdrawal will usually last a month but then if you are unlucky like me, you can have a post acute withdrawal syndrome that resembles the original withdrawal though at much reduced strength. This can last up to a year.
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    Post withdrawal is a bitch. I wasn't even gonna mention it because I didn't wanna bum him out.
    Ya. But since it's been mentioned...I can already tell your post withdrawal is gonna be one hell of a ride. I've gone through it so I know. Mine lasted like a year as well. Depression. Lacking energy. Apathy. Gotta force yourself through it or relapse is just
    inevitable. Realize the odds are against you so no gambling with your thoughts. Even if that means telling yourself NO! all fucking morning long.
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    Well, know this: your life will never be the same.
    Thatīs not a bad thing but you will be different.
    The eternal wish, desire, the thoughts youīll have.
    Same say weīll never recuperate the endorphin lost in the process of getting high.
    Such warmth and all the good things dope gave us were somehow the apple we couldnīt get, if you know what I mean.
    On the other hand, we are all here for you. You can always get support from lots of great people here.
    I do hope you succeed and become a winner in your life. Thatīs as great as it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tylercallan View Post
    Also my legs are still bothering me a lot
    There are medications that can help you with that. Ask your doctor.
    Restless legs are horrible and it seems it will never end, but it does get better.
    Keep going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikmen View Post
    Well, know this: your life will never be the same.
    Thatīs not a bad thing but you will be different.
    The eternal wish, desire, the thoughts youīll have.
    Same say weīll never recuperate the endorphin lost in the process of getting high.
    Such warmth and all the good things dope gave us were somehow the apple we couldnīt get, if you know what I mean.
    On the other hand, we are all here for you. You can always get support from lots of great here.
    I do hope you succeed and become a winner in your life. Thatīs as great as it gets.
    Well said. You reach a point where nothing will fill that mental/physical void. Not even dope...that's why the shit has to stop for a lot of us.
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    A decade of alcohol abuse was easier to deal with than a year of dope.
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    Man that dose suck its almost like every few days it starts all over but I have my wife an son to think of so this will be 1 uphill battle that I will not back down from can't thank you all for your honesty and support I will definitely be on here quite a bit
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    I better go find a gym lol sounds like exsersize is the only way an healthy food
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    living the opposite lifestyle helps a lotta people cope with addiction. Lots of recovering addicts in my neighborhood are
    shredded. They get high on lifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VitamaN View Post
    living the opposite lifestyle helps a lotta people cope with addiction. Lots of recovering addicts in my neighborhood are
    shredded. They get high on lifting.
    I can't really life because of pain problems but I have started talking long walks in the forest and trying to run occasionaly. It actually feels great, unlike when I was on opiates it would just have been exhausting and made me drenched in sweat. Sometimes when I get home if I have been running or walking for a long time it can almost feel reminiscent of a low dose of codeine
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    Still fighting this up.hill battle but got me a bottle of unisom sleep aid. I have to take triple of what a normal person would take but I sleep for 8hours with only waking up once
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