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Opioids Methadone Mega Thread and FAQ v 2.0

is the butalbital a good sedative? i know its really hit or miss with barbiturates, like phenobarbs=BAD and seconal/tuinal=good/great. i get migranes twice a year but they put me in the hospital, wish i had some layin around for those occasions(not fishing, not asking for drugs) because the drugs they give me sometimes makes me tweaked out and i have to move , its like the worst meth crash ever and i am laying there with an iv going nuts. i forgot the other one but compazine is one that fucks me up but there is another one uh....reglan may be the one, that shit is terrible, so bad i wish i just had the migrane back. luckily i only get them on rare occasions but when i do its life interrupting.
 
I've been on ORT most of my adult life and I've found most dr's unfamiliar with how it helps us stay off street drugs and gives us a "normal" feeling.... just don't get it. Those of you who are young and relatively new to MMT or SMT will need to get use to the prejudice and negativity from many in the healthcare field. Sad but true.

so sad but so true, in the states there are methadone ombudsmen that can help and i have had to use them in the past in the healthcare system, its a constant struggle with me.
 
Sorry, I know it's not directly about methadone again, I got that under control, but I really am thinking I should have NEVER went to the detox program as they fucked with my benzos in it an insane struggle here, the ER refused to help me after 8 hours of waiting and they just treated this bronchitis which has recurred after leaving their detox center which is so stupidly placed inside an hospital, the dumbass student doc there who refused to help me with my valium script, even for just a week scripted me Avelox (moxifloxacin) after a chest x ray and said goodbye..

Let this story be a warning to anyone using both benzos, even legitimately from a head psychiatrist and IV opiates in canada (they will only give methadone if you IV) if not then you can suboxone but its still 25 dollars a day for 8mg, re-think your situation before going in such a place, they will cut your benzos, give you a very short barbaric taper. At least they are letting me deal with my pdoc and obtain benzos again if i want in case the methadone does not alleviate my anxiety. I don't know why they are so goddamn sure methadone is an anxiolytic, maybe as a secondary effect, but not primarily. Enough rambling, here it goes, while I still feel good from the 1 random xanax 1mg i knew i had somewhere yesteday and my last 5mg valium.

Okay, starting 1 pm I'm taking an appointment with my regular doc, then i wont stop calling the pdoc's secretary, they have a new fax from the pharmacy sent in.

And you guys know what, i was scriped 2 5mg a day but only 45 of them! I was wondering how come I had reached the bottome of my bottle so fast as I wasn't abusing them.

So earlier this morning when I was going to the pharmacy to get my fucking 'done and have this fax sent in, I get to see the boss pharmacist of the place, who got angry at me for absolutely nothing. He probably heard about how I put back in her place that bitch cunt with dead eyes and ghost like skin imitation of a pharmacist who yelled at me cos i couldn't give her 19 dollars i owed them for non paid for prescription medecine. Yes, that exists in canada.

I could see she somehow told him cos he got angry for nothing when I said always staying polite : "This prescription does not make sense sir, it says to take 2 a day and I got 45 5mg pills, i should have 60."

HE BLEW HIS FUCKIN FUSE FOR THAT,I was in the middle of saying while he was examining my september bottle of valium (normal script) before the methadone clinic fucked with it "I've been given this for years.." and he goes lol, trying to impress me while I have hung out with gangsters of the like of Hell's Angels and Italian mafia in my not so shining past "I've been a pharmacist since 19 years! You're telling me this is impossible ? You don't know how to talk to people!" Then he goes to verify the fax they got back from him and yes, the pdoc did script me 45 5mg valiums....still no reason to yell at me. I know it was all office talk bullshit explaining why he talked to me this way.

So I go pretty much "what is it 'you' guys want ? I have a .22 home, i'm about to shoot myself in the head, got it ? You take pleasure into yelling at half corpses like me ?"

He changed faces there, seeing that me getting angry was a very bad idea. I got all his dox now, wife's name etc. but that's another thing ;) He did fax this to my pdoc and today I am trying to call again to get an appointment with him this afternoon, which will most likely be only next week but whatever he does meanwhile he will see that the pharmacy is very insistant on wanting to script me 10mg bid a day.

I don't know what they had sent a renewal for before 2 weeks ago, but it surely was not 10mg bid, so either the person doing the fax or another pharmacist (pretty much the only cool one, i thought) didnt believe me when I said I was on 10mg bid before the detox center fucked with my benzos; when they never were a problem for me.

Hopefully i'll get lucky cos I have zero benzos left as of this morning.

Also, WAT

i've been on methadone for 5, maybe 6 years. i was severely injured in an accident 25 years ago and later developed RA. my doc has like 6 folders of med records on me. going on methadone wasn't a decision my doc or i made lightly.
i have run into some really hateful and uneducated folks working in pharmacies. just a few days ago an asshole pharmacist pulled some shit on me and really upset me. he just ran his mouth but did it in front of other customers and I AM NOT doing anything even slightly shady or wrong. if concerned, he should talk directly to my doc, not make assumptions and judgments about people he doesn't know at all.
the stigma is really bad and it doesn't matter WHY you're on 'done; everyone on it is unfairly and negatively judged. it's a cheap, very effective med for many people, whether chronic pain or mmt patients. it helped me get a productive life back. but i'm pond scum according to the fuckers at CVS.
best to all of you
-izzy

I know someobdy who is scripted Metadol for pain, and not a huge ass script, like 10mg twice a day with a supeudol (oxy ir) 5mg in case of breakthrough pain and she never got shit. You only get shit like me if your methadone is liquid and scripted by a detox doctor. Then it's a different story. People being scripted opioids for pain aren't given too much shit by the health establishment here, the only difficult thing is obtaining them, unless you see a specialist, you'll get codeine/hydrocodone syrup for very bad cough and some dilaudid 1-2mg for awful teeth/jaw pain, but all for a very short time. While I can see that the difference in the US is that some areas give opioids like candy, especially those codones mixed with tylenol and it's alright with everybody. Although there's the ridiculous hating on Oxycontin which does not make sense which caused our Oxycontins to become shit also a year after you guys fucked. At least they changed the name, so people know its not the same thing.
 
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Well, I'll stop spamming the thread with my methadone detox caused benzo withdrawal, by insisting like a mofo I succeeded and I finally got my 2 damn blues a day. %)
 
I have been taking taking methadone for a lite over a week straight. I started at 30mg & gradually went to 60mg, which my last dose of this was yesterday morning at about 9am. I have not done any other opiates but I'm still not comfortable. I came across an 100mcg fentanyl patch. I used to either do these bucally or rectally. ( they're the gel ones ) if I were to use the patch bucally or rectally 24hrs after my last dose of methadone would it have any effect? Would it get me high at all? I know these two drugs can be potentially dangerous, and I have read things saying that. But does anyone have an actual experience to this, that could give me some insight on whether the gel from the patch would give me a high, using a bucal or rectal ROA? I would be doing this today, so any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thank you && happy thanksgiving :)
 
I'm not an expert on this, but I'm pretty sure it's against BL policy to help "get you high." But you should consider the half-life of methadone, it is very long compared to many other opiates/opioids, with the exception of Continual Release formulations and bupe, to name a few. I would say, from personal experience, that the longer you wait, the more effective the the opiate you're referring to (fentanyl) will be. IME, if you can wait until you are experiencing multiple symptoms of methadone withdrawal (rhinorrhea, diarrhea, vomitus, goose-pimples/flesh, RLS, etc., etc....) before you take your fentanyl, and start low, and titrate up 'til the WD's and pain start to subside, you should be ok. Just remember that fentanyl has a half life as low as >4hrs and methadone has a much longer half life, like 24 or more hrs... Be safe this thanksgiving... And be "well" ;)
 
Methadone does not start to counteract or block all other opiates at about 80mg, today I was bumped from 45mg to 55mg. Which I will only get tomorrow, but I'm so very close to my sweet spot already, I might not even go to 60mg, which was my own personal limit, as I don't want to be a lifer for this thing either, but talks of tapering are still out of question, I have a month and a week done now, in a week, I will be half the road to have the right to bring in take homes. I can't wait for this, cos right now I have to rely on a friend every morning to drive me to the pharmacy, cos the 2 closest to me, including one RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY APARTMENT do not do the methadone program. They still have Metadol pills for pain, those 1mg, 5, 10 and 25mg pills, but my clinic works with liquid only. Oh well

Back to the last guy's point, I don't know about you, but I have to do piss tests every week or two week when I meet my detox doc. I know they look for other drugs, but they know I have pdoc scripted benzos, and I cannot go to work right now but I will as soon as I can bring in take homes. I don't know if their tests can differentiate between methadone and other opiates so I did not take the chance to get anything. Anyways, the reason I got the point I needed methadone detox was 1) I could only get Dilaudid 4mg pills since the reformulation of Oxy to OxyNeo and even my guy didn't carry those, except for one time and 40mg of that wasn't at all like a real 40mg oxy, oh hey which btw, generics companies will have the right to make soon in canada again :D (Once i'm out of methadone and that my neurologist sees how serious my pain problem is, I expect to get something good. 2) Dilaudid is only worth it IV'd, that was another motivation as my hands still sport 2 real bad scars, especially my right hand 3) It seems like your done dose is too low if you still want to use other opioids.

So you got a lot of thinking to do before doing the dangerous thing of using other opiates right now.

Oh and btw, considering the difficulties I had to get my valium script to where it was before the detox doc decided to taper in a swift pretty much barbaric way, switching one problem to another basically for me. I saw my GP yesterday though and I told him, which is true, that valium was okay for general anxiety disorder, but for panic or sending me into sleep fast, xanax is much more useful. So we cut my 10mgbid of valium dose to 1 10mg of valium during the day and 2mg of xanax at bedtime or split evenly in the day if i wish to.

Which is really awesome, so 1) it would be a a lot less dangerous to add a short acting benzo to your 'done as I find Xanax to actually potentiate 'done A LOT compared to valium, i took 1mg 2h after my morning dose and i'm partially nodding. I'm seeing how this could become addictive, but since my supply of xanax is always NR (not refillable), i'm not abusing it, but that would be a way of doing something stupider; adding another opiates to your regimen.
 
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I have been taking taking methadone for a lite over a week straight. I started at 30mg & gradually went to 60mg, which my last dose of this was yesterday morning at about 9am. I have not done any other opiates but I'm still not comfortable. I came across an 100mcg fentanyl patch. I used to either do these bucally or rectally. ( they're the gel ones ) if I were to use the patch bucally or rectally 24hrs after my last dose of methadone would it have any effect? Would it get me high at all? I know these two drugs can be potentially dangerous, and I have read things saying that. But does anyone have an actual experience to this, that could give me some insight on whether the gel from the patch would give me a high, using a bucal or rectal ROA? I would be doing this today, so any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thank you && happy thanksgiving :)

Hey man,
We can't help you get high. But we can advice you not to do this. The problem is that you've been taking rather large dosages of methadone and increasing it over the course of a week. Methadone is different from many opiates (like fentanyl, which is real good example of an incredibly short acting narcotic) due to its long half life. You might to feel high, in fact you might even feel withdrawal, but the truth is, there is still a decent amount of methadone in your system. Taking the fentanyl after 24 hours is dangerous, due to the fact that its the most potent narcotic available AND you plan on using it rectally or buccally, defeating the time release-causing ALL the fentanyl to be released at once (which I'm sure you're aware of).

Just hold off man. Take some loperamide to deal with the withdrawal, or if you demand on taking a CNS opiate, than use something less potent, but I highly recomend waiting.
 
Hey bluelighers I was going to see if anyone's had any clinic experience in Knoxville or Nashville TN. Addicted to opioids for 4 years and now mainly usually heroin hydromorphone oxymorphone and coke all IV (coke is the most difficult so fucking fiendy) I plan on moving out of my small town and need to figure out if there are waiting lists I don't know whether to start look for jobs in either city or save some money up. I also buy a script of clonazepam from a buddy who doesn't take them because I use them for anxiety and occasionally abuse IV cocaine. Is this going to be a big issue for me?

I really actually do tAke them 98% as rxed unless the occasional gram of rocked up cocaine hcl goes in my arm and I only have bupe to maintain on. I really want to get off the needle that's my main reason. Im too young to be dealing with this shit I just ended a 3 yr relationship that was heavily stable on opiate abuse
 
Hey bluelighers I was going to see if anyone's had any clinic experience in Knoxville or Nashville TN. Addicted to opioids for 4 years and now mainly usually heroin hydromorphone oxymorphone and coke all IV (coke is the most difficult so fucking fiendy) I plan on moving out of my small town and need to figure out if there are waiting lists I don't know whether to start look for jobs in either city or save some money up. I also buy a script of clonazepam from a buddy who doesn't take them because I use them for anxiety and occasionally abuse IV cocaine. Is this going to be a big issue for me?

I really actually do tAke them 98% as rxed unless the occasional gram of rocked up cocaine hcl goes in my arm and I only have bupe to maintain on. I really want to get off the needle that's my main reason. Im too young to be dealing with this shit I just ended a 3 yr relationship that was heavily stable on opiate abuse

Can't help ya' there.. I live in NY where there are clinics on every corner... hah.
 
GM/Afternoon to everyone,

OK, I have been attending a Methadone clinic for the past 4 years. Now 2 years at one clinic and 2 years at my current clinic. My question is the Methadone provided at my first clinic was red in color and had a rough cherry flavor (any methadone patient hopefully knows what I am referring to) My current clinic dispenses clear completely horribly tasting methadone. So the big questions floating around is the the red liquid is much stronger than the clear liquid provided???? If anyone has any info. at all on this subject, please, please post what you know. Feel free to IM me or just respond to this post. Thank You immensly.
Mister Right
 
GM/Afternoon to everyone,

OK, I have been attending a Methadone clinic for the past 4 years. Now 2 years at one clinic and 2 years at my current clinic. My question is the Methadone provided at my first clinic was red in color and had a rough cherry flavor (any methadone patient hopefully knows what I am referring to) My current clinic dispenses clear completely horribly tasting methadone. So the big questions floating around is the the red liquid is much stronger than the clear liquid provided???? If anyone has any info. at all on this subject, please, please post what you know. Feel free to IM me or just respond to this post. Thank You immensly.
Mister Right
yup, my clinic occasionally runs out of the cherry flavor and we get the flavorless which is clear and tastes absolutely horrible. it is just there (i believe) for people who cant take sucrose/other inert ingredients due to allergy or something but in my experience there is no difference at all in the effects of it and i have had my whole(at the time)weeks take outs filled with the stuff. dont psyche yerself out, its the same methadone without so much of the inert(no effects)ingredients.
 
at one time it was all clear stuff mixed with whatever juice(usually orange)was preferred at the clinic. that was quite before my/most peoples time though.
 
ps. they are both mallinckrodt at my clinic. in my experience most clinics use mallinckrodt or roxane.
 
at one time it was all clear stuff mixed with whatever juice(usually orange)was preferred at the clinic. that was quite before my/most peoples time though.

Yep I remember... My 1st MMT was 1972. Ooops, I just gave up my age. lol
 
Yep I remember... My 1st MMT was 1972. Ooops, I just gave up my age. lol

really? how many times have you had to detox? and how much? any abruptly? just curious to hear from an old schooler like you. ive been on and off since 98 or 99 and i thought that was a long time. are your opiate receptors(as far as you can tell) messed up? are you on ort for life like im sure i will be? sorry for all the questions, you dont have to answer any of them if you dont want to. i knew some old schoolers, even one who got hooked in vietnam and had been on methadone ever since but they are all dead now:-(.
 
really? how many times have you had to detox? and how much? any abruptly? just curious to hear from an old schooler like you. ive been on and off since 98 or 99 and i thought that was a long time. are your opiate receptors(as far as you can tell) messed up? are you on ort for life like im sure i will be? sorry for all the questions, you dont have to answer any of them if you dont want to. i knew some old schoolers, even one who got hooked in vietnam and had been on methadone ever since but they are all dead now:-(.

Vietnam was my first opiate addiction and was pretty bad coming off. MMT was my 2nd and was tapered off slowly in patient and wasn't bad. One other since and was off ORT for about 12 yrs [5.5 totally sober] I've been on MMT and BMT continuously since early nineties. 1-1.5 mg subs is what I take now. Absent those 5 yrs off everything, I used a lot of pot, cocaine, chipped at H and alcohol... but no opiate habit again until about 20 yrs ago. I have quite a few messed up pals including more than I want to think of overdosing or dying early as a result of abuse/dependence.
 
Vietnam was my first opiate addiction and was pretty bad coming off. MMT was my 2nd and was tapered off slowly in patient and wasn't bad. One other since and was off ORT for about 12 yrs [5.5 totally sober] I've been on MMT and BMT continuously since early nineties. 1-1.5 mg subs is what I take now. Absent those 5 yrs off everything, I used a lot of pot, cocaine, chipped at H and alcohol... but no opiate habit again until about 20 yrs ago. I have quite a few messed up pals including more than I want to think of overdosing or dying early as a result of abuse/dependence.
haha chipped, dont hear that much around here anymore, i have never chipped, since i started using heroin in 97 its been that, methadone or jail. now clean off of everything but my methadone and herb for a year and a half, i wont be going back to the speed shooting and benzo taking as it ruins my life. i myself have also lost a lot of friends due to all of it(mostly heroin)and the ones who are not dead either are totally messed up or they got totally straight(which is much less common). anyway, thanks for sharing bro, i appreciate it.
 
GM/Afternoon to everyone,

OK, I have been attending a Methadone clinic for the past 4 years. Now 2 years at one clinic and 2 years at my current clinic. My question is the Methadone provided at my first clinic was red in color and had a rough cherry flavor (any methadone patient hopefully knows what I am referring to)

I don't, my methadone is served mixed with orange juice in the kind of brown bottle that you would have codeine or hydrocodone syrup in.
 
^^ i have been reading up on provincial policy for mmt in canada and i gotta say that canada is pretty progressive on the subject(mister right is referring to people in the u.s. most likely). if you got to prison anywhere in canada, you can either get on the methadone program upon entering prison and if already on they will continue your mmt in prison. in the u.s. going to jail usually means cold turkey from methadone, its a county thing(like in canada its by the province although they all have generally same rules in canada where the u.s. differs a lot county to county, one county will give you a 10 day detox, one a 3 day detox and most give you nothing in jail much less prison) i just happen to live in a county that pays for my mmt through a tx program called rule 25, most do not, they consider me a lost cause otherwise here if you dont have good insurance you pay up to 15 dollars a day to be on it...oh and if you want bupe, forget it, the doctors have to have a special license and can only treat x num of patients. if your poor, have no money and a dope habbit you can be shit out of luck or they will try sending you to 10 dy methadone detoxs. or if your really sneaky like me you can sneak your way into nice private hospital and owe $28,000 for 3 weeks of bupe detox with a week of subs to take home(which were gone in 2 days) but i dont like the 28,000 claim...i feel wronged. anyway its no surprise our health system is skrewed up and just acclimated to making drug companies richer while we stay sick!
 
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