Seattle_Stranger
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Er hem...anyway....
I've found that pretty much no matter what I do, the mushrooms win in the end. Mushrooms are only sometimes unpleasant during the come-up but then once they manifest and your body is over the initial shock, there's pretty much nothing better, including MDMA itself. Not long ago I had some MDMA for the first time in several years. I tested it and it came out with the purest, most potent result I've ever witnessed. The roll was absolutely perfect, incredibly fun. Half way through, we started eating mushrooms and the buzz only got better. ~12 hours later when the MDMA should have LONG worn off and I should be coming down, I was feeling better from the psilocybin than I had from the MDMA all night! Case in point, psilocybin > MDMA. No different with my herbal concoction, which leads me to a slightly different strategy....
...make the come-up fun, stimulating, social and euphoric instead of anxious, introspective and sedating. Have the psychedelic effects of whatever medium you're using, mushrooms, mescaline, whatever, and just ease the come-up with pleasant, safe, natural compounds. Kratom and kanna do a great job at this, but what if there was something that just felt even more ecstasy-like? There is....
Phenylethylamine (or PEA). Found in chocolate and our bodies naturally, PEA is directly related (and somewhat parental) to some of our favorite recreational synthetics like 2C-E, 2C-I, and yep, you guessed it, MDMA! It sure feels like it too. In doses of ~700mg, I personally feel a rush come on that is almost indistinguishable from the come-up on the purest MDMA imaginable, with perhaps less euphoria. Read my trip report here for more insight: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ed-Ideal-for-rolling-when-rolling-isn-t-ideal
Granted, I have not yet combined PEA with mushrooms, so I have no idea the synergy. Also, to prolong the PEA effect, an MAOI must be introduced, I usually go with hordenine which is also a phenethylamine-stimulant derived from the mescaline cactus. It has seemed safe and short acting, and apparently reversible, so I don't anticipate big problems but I'd better micro-dose to be careful first.
In the end, I could see the following mixture as a potential candidate:
Kratom (adjust dose for tolerance)
Kanna (500-1000mg oral, tolerance doesn't seem to play a role)
Mushrooms (1-2g oral)
Cannabis (oral, or smoked after effects have manifested, adjust for tolerance)
Phenethylamine (500-1500mg oral, adjust for sensitivity and tolerance)
Hordenine (200mg oral)
Some adjustments will clearly need to be made for tolerance and sensitivity. I hear PEA tolerance develops rapidly but I haven't used it in succession enough to notice. Some folks are more or less sensitive to it as well, I've read about people scarfing down grams and feeling nothing. It's one of the fastest-broken-down compounds by MAO, so the slightest variances in body chemistry could be the difference in feeling 500mg w/o an MAOI and eating 3g w/ hordenine and not noticing anything. Also, all these different compounds and their resulting effects become apparent at different rates, and for the proper experience you may want certain effects in a certain order, make sense? For example:
1- PEA and hordenine hit first, producing that "something is happening" feeling, which turns into a "whoaaa....here we go!!!" rush. Environment intensifies, feelings of oneness and interactivity begin to burst into the user's consciousness, blast off!! No real euphoria yet, but all the expected alerts of a recreational stimulant that can feel euphoric in themselves.
2- Then the kratom and kanna start to take hold, synergizing with one and other, introducing real euphoria, calmness, warmness, satisfaction, that "Ughh wow I feel so good...." feeling. The desire to chat someone's ear off becomes overwhelming. Colors intensify even more, music becomes spacial and interesting, vision sharpens to a literal razor-sharp focus. You feel like you can cut the air with your laser eyes and cure world hunger in one swift movement.
3- While you're lost in the PEA rush and the kratom/kanna blanket, you will eventually notice colors have become more intense than you may have ever seen. Music sounds downright orgasmic, your body is tingling with pleasure and feels like it's in a Jacuzzi tub, you're seeing tracers and maybe even just saw a swirling pattern, and find yourself closing your eyes a lot and diving deep into the moment when you realize....oh yeah!! The shrooms! As everything else comes and goes, the mushrooms really take hold and deliver an immersive, stimulating, euphoric experience that you could simply continue to re-dose on all weekend if you please!!! Get up, go to work on Monday and laugh at all the "I'll drink you under the table" types as you run circles around them.
So perhaps consuming all these compounds in a manner than ensures they all hit in the desired sequence would be ideal. It could be a several-step process, like down this 5Hr Energy bottle full of extracts now, down this other one full of different extracts 20 minutes after, etc..
I've found that pretty much no matter what I do, the mushrooms win in the end. Mushrooms are only sometimes unpleasant during the come-up but then once they manifest and your body is over the initial shock, there's pretty much nothing better, including MDMA itself. Not long ago I had some MDMA for the first time in several years. I tested it and it came out with the purest, most potent result I've ever witnessed. The roll was absolutely perfect, incredibly fun. Half way through, we started eating mushrooms and the buzz only got better. ~12 hours later when the MDMA should have LONG worn off and I should be coming down, I was feeling better from the psilocybin than I had from the MDMA all night! Case in point, psilocybin > MDMA. No different with my herbal concoction, which leads me to a slightly different strategy....
...make the come-up fun, stimulating, social and euphoric instead of anxious, introspective and sedating. Have the psychedelic effects of whatever medium you're using, mushrooms, mescaline, whatever, and just ease the come-up with pleasant, safe, natural compounds. Kratom and kanna do a great job at this, but what if there was something that just felt even more ecstasy-like? There is....
Phenylethylamine (or PEA). Found in chocolate and our bodies naturally, PEA is directly related (and somewhat parental) to some of our favorite recreational synthetics like 2C-E, 2C-I, and yep, you guessed it, MDMA! It sure feels like it too. In doses of ~700mg, I personally feel a rush come on that is almost indistinguishable from the come-up on the purest MDMA imaginable, with perhaps less euphoria. Read my trip report here for more insight: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ed-Ideal-for-rolling-when-rolling-isn-t-ideal
Granted, I have not yet combined PEA with mushrooms, so I have no idea the synergy. Also, to prolong the PEA effect, an MAOI must be introduced, I usually go with hordenine which is also a phenethylamine-stimulant derived from the mescaline cactus. It has seemed safe and short acting, and apparently reversible, so I don't anticipate big problems but I'd better micro-dose to be careful first.
In the end, I could see the following mixture as a potential candidate:
Kratom (adjust dose for tolerance)
Kanna (500-1000mg oral, tolerance doesn't seem to play a role)
Mushrooms (1-2g oral)
Cannabis (oral, or smoked after effects have manifested, adjust for tolerance)
Phenethylamine (500-1500mg oral, adjust for sensitivity and tolerance)
Hordenine (200mg oral)
Some adjustments will clearly need to be made for tolerance and sensitivity. I hear PEA tolerance develops rapidly but I haven't used it in succession enough to notice. Some folks are more or less sensitive to it as well, I've read about people scarfing down grams and feeling nothing. It's one of the fastest-broken-down compounds by MAO, so the slightest variances in body chemistry could be the difference in feeling 500mg w/o an MAOI and eating 3g w/ hordenine and not noticing anything. Also, all these different compounds and their resulting effects become apparent at different rates, and for the proper experience you may want certain effects in a certain order, make sense? For example:
1- PEA and hordenine hit first, producing that "something is happening" feeling, which turns into a "whoaaa....here we go!!!" rush. Environment intensifies, feelings of oneness and interactivity begin to burst into the user's consciousness, blast off!! No real euphoria yet, but all the expected alerts of a recreational stimulant that can feel euphoric in themselves.
2- Then the kratom and kanna start to take hold, synergizing with one and other, introducing real euphoria, calmness, warmness, satisfaction, that "Ughh wow I feel so good...." feeling. The desire to chat someone's ear off becomes overwhelming. Colors intensify even more, music becomes spacial and interesting, vision sharpens to a literal razor-sharp focus. You feel like you can cut the air with your laser eyes and cure world hunger in one swift movement.
3- While you're lost in the PEA rush and the kratom/kanna blanket, you will eventually notice colors have become more intense than you may have ever seen. Music sounds downright orgasmic, your body is tingling with pleasure and feels like it's in a Jacuzzi tub, you're seeing tracers and maybe even just saw a swirling pattern, and find yourself closing your eyes a lot and diving deep into the moment when you realize....oh yeah!! The shrooms! As everything else comes and goes, the mushrooms really take hold and deliver an immersive, stimulating, euphoric experience that you could simply continue to re-dose on all weekend if you please!!! Get up, go to work on Monday and laugh at all the "I'll drink you under the table" types as you run circles around them.
So perhaps consuming all these compounds in a manner than ensures they all hit in the desired sequence would be ideal. It could be a several-step process, like down this 5Hr Energy bottle full of extracts now, down this other one full of different extracts 20 minutes after, etc..
It's definitely good for sex, no doubt.