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Extracting opium from 'poppy straw'

Tried pod tea last night for the first time, started off with about 4 grams of dried pod (to be on the safe side), after just over an hour we had a rough idea of where we were gonna be at, so we had another 4 grams (So all up about 8 small-medium pods (although counting the pods for dose is stupid, dont do it), Felt like about 30mg of oxy but different, had it at 8:30pm, still feeling it a little now 1:45pm the next day

The high felt alot cleaner compared to poppy seed tea, felt alot more natural then oxy, alot more chilled.

I dont have much tollerance, popping 20mg of oxy would have me feeling pretty swish
 
Just found this on the Department of Justice Tasmania website:

"In Tasmania, the crop is grown for the production of morphine, codeine and thebaine. These alkaloids are extracted from the poppy straw and used in the manufacture of pain killing drugs and in cough mixtures.

The seed of the morphine plant can also be used in cooking and the Tasmanian variety can be recognised by its distinctive blue-grey colour.

Seed from thebaine-enhanced poppies is not sold for culinary purposes."


So I guess if you're growing from supermarket seed stock you should be OK.
 
Do they ever use the high thebaine content poppies for the seeds you buy at the supermarket? That could be dangerous if you grew some of those up and consumed.

Luckily they always destroy them. I remember reading that they've recently started using them as fuel for something.

The reason why they destroy them I'm not sure about, but I'd guess it's because the company who spent all the money creating the strain wouldn't want it to be widely available.

They also keep the fields of the thebaine and regular strains far apart so they don't cross pollinate. Pretty sure the processing plants are seperated also.

Still pays to be a bit cautious and start with a small amount as others mentioned. I guess it's not impossible for a Norman seed to somehow find its way into the regular ones, and since potency is so variable with all poppies it might save you getting sick if you got a particularly strong plant.

I wouldn't mind owning my own farm in Tasmania and growing poppies :) the farmers get paid on alkaloid content so I think it'd be fun to work towards getting them as potent as possible.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. I have a really good idea what Im goin to do with the garden and Im now 99% sure their tassies! =D

^^thats really interesting about how they destroy the thebaine seeds. Thanks for digging that up

I'm really curious (and it would be very helpfull to know), has anyone ever weighed out a dry dose for making 'tea'? Obviously it would vary from strain to strain but it would be good to know to have a rough idea.. I read in a thread in other drugs that someone mentioned ~10grams?
 
haven't weighed it, but 1-2 tablespoons would be a good start. not particularly accurate, i know.
there is HEAPS of poppy talk at the forums of poppies.org
i've spent many, many hours reading the various perspectives and conversations in 'the tea room' and such.
never joined up because it's a bit US-centric, always talking about mail-order pods and guns and shit.
it's a very opium poppy specific harm reduction forum though, worth a look if you want some ideas.
also, i would recommend making the most of them while they're fresh. things can go wrong in the drying process (have for me, anyway) and you can't beat the green juicy goodness of some fresh pods and squeezed lemon on a warm spring day :)
 
Thanks for the information on the fate of the thebaine seeds; very interesting to know. :)
 
eatin raw pods would have to be in my top 5 most uncomfortable thing to do in life.. its been half n hour and I'm already starting to feel something...

they werent even mature, let alone big.. decided to straight out eat 1 normal sized (semi-mature pod) and 3-4 really small pods... actually starting to feel really nice and I dont even enjoy opiates on a recreational basis..

I got a question regarding mould/rot (ill post some flicks up tomorro morning); Is it safe to lance/score pods if there are signs of mild rot? (more imparticular, small black spots and a whack lookin crown [dark colouring]) or will the raw opium have bacteria n what-not?

thanks in advance
 
difficult to say for sure without seeing them...i would guess though, that if they're intact enough to bleed white/creamy sap (that dries golden/red/brown) then you're probably ok.
you can't be too careful though...just make sure you are actually scraping opium sap rather than rotten slimy shite.

sometimes healthy pods do have funny spots on them though - the thing i'd recommend you watch out for most is soft squishiness.
i've seen a number of different colours and varieties of pods in my time, they can be quite variable.
if they're not squishy, i wouldn't stress too much. you also get to know the smell of pods that have turned, after a while. rather than the bitter/earthy/vegetable smell, you tend to get a different fungus odour. makes sense really..

but yeah, will have a better chance to offer advice if you can post some photos.

as for pods being more enjoyable than other opies - i would definitely say this is the case (for me, anyway). almost a psychedelic edge to it sometimes, and a definite warm euphoria with the right dose.
 
sorry for the late photos, had alot of shit on in the last few days.. (including tryin to sort out my car/some insurance after havin some cunt brake into it sunday night :X )

he's my shitcunt pod which I want to lance but are unsure whether its a safe option (I was told by another BLer to go for it); http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/photo2sy.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/210/photo3ka.jpg/

andddddd some poppy porn ;) %)

http://imageshack.us/f/685/photo4jjz.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/695/photomhk.jpg/

(those last two were taken a couple of weeks ago)

EDIT: BTW, that suss lookin pod isn't squishy at all.. its just like any normal one...
 
yeah, i've juiced plenty of pods that look like that - they've always been fine. i think it's just cosmetic damage to the outer edge of the pod. like bruising or some sort of scarring.
if it's nice and firm, nothing to worry about - go for your life!
some alright looking specimens there - nice work man, enjoy! :)
 
^^ cheers for that, the lil experiment went well.. bit disappointing comparing it to eating pods but eh...

got some killer flowers goin into bloom atm =D
 
excellent! yeah, smoking the opium latex is something you have to try i guess, but compared to grinding up some pods and chugging it down, it's usually pretty disappointing. it'd be a different story if you could collect a couple of grams of it, but you'd need a pretty fucking huge crop to get to that point.
i'd like to venture into some south east asian opium villages some day to get a taste of the traditional method...but my experiments have never been worth the effort. pod tea on the other hand... :)
 
Straw Extraction sucks. You will be lucky to get a 20% yield IF you know what you are doing. The reason it is used commercially is because harvesting latex is EXTREMELY labour intencive. In nations like Afghanistan, India, and Burma (Mynammar) its cost effective, not so in Western Nations. There is the added issue of the UN caps on specific alkaloid production, which is why Tas devekoped Norman. When you go after the less than 2% content you HAVE to do straw, latex breaks down after repeated maceration and the target goes out with the wash.

As for when to harvest IF you want to try it, ideally you would harvest sub-peak, after last petal drops BUT before the corona goes erect. If you see a greenish/tan ring around the bottom of your pod your into peak and straw is a total waste BUT you can still lance so don't despair.

Also, remember, companies doing whole straw have 90 years worth of expertise going into patented machinery for the maceration and pooling, and THEIR yields are garbage. Looking on the net for advice in something like this is usually a waste of time because the people who have even seen a live poppy, let alone raised a crop- forget about working the harvest, etc, is a miniscule number. If you want to look at mechanical processes, there are basically two methods. Look at Kabay, the better of the two.
 
Straw Extraction sucks. You will be lucky to get a 20% yield IF you know what you are doing. The reason it is used commercially is because harvesting latex is EXTREMELY labour intencive. In nations like Afghanistan, India, and Burma (Mynammar) its cost effective, not so in Western Nations. There is the added issue of the UN caps on specific alkaloid production, which is why Tas devekoped Norman. When you go after the less than 2% content you HAVE to do straw, latex breaks down after repeated maceration and the target goes out with the wash.

As for when to harvest IF you want to try it, ideally you would harvest sub-peak, after last petal drops BUT before the corona goes erect. If you see a greenish/tan ring around the bottom of your pod your into peak and straw is a total waste BUT you can still lance so don't despair.

Also, remember, companies doing whole straw have 90 years worth of expertise going into patented machinery for the maceration and pooling, and THEIR yields are garbage. Looking on the net for advice in something like this is usually a waste of time because the people who have even seen a live poppy, let alone raised a crop- forget about working the harvest, etc, is a miniscule number. If you want to look at mechanical processes, there are basically two methods. Look at Kabay, the better of the two.

only just read your post (its now two years old, lol).. and what a post that was, answered so many of my questions.. thank you very much

explains why I got next to nothing off my pods last season, letting them mature till the vents opened...
 
I've seen quite a few studies that show morphine content in the pod peaks and remains stable ( in the absence of leaching) 42 days after flowering.
An earlier harvest would only be important regarding lancing for latex, which would be a compromise between alkaloid content and the ability of the laticifers to release abundant free flowing latex.
Lower moisture content and higher alkaloid content once the capsule and seed has fully matured would be better conditions for solvent extractions.
I haven't seen any benefit in harvesting straw earlier for making tea.
this is an excellent abstract on morphine content variance in P som; http://www.revagrois.ro/PDF/2011/paper/2011-54(1)-9-en.pdf
 
I've found... i mean... my armadillo, SWIM, my pet monkey, etc... :p has found that scoring the pods early on (say a few days after the petals drop) and repeatedly (milking each pod four or five times, leaving a day or two between lancings), collecting that latex, then adding the resultant latex to a mass ground up pod tea extraction/filtration during the steeping stage leads to a very nice brew of concentrated and very potent liquid, which can then be frozen for storage, or dried out and kept as a kind of crude opium solid (must be very well dehydrated for storage purposes).

This is for oral consumption. I wouldn't bother trying to smoke it. I've tried many times to create a concentrated, cooked, smokable form of opium, and even after a few years of doing this, lots of trial and error and wasting good material, the best result I got was still underwhelming. Sure, it was nice, but I just couldn't justify it. Eating that concentrate produced a way better high which lasted ten times longer. I just don't get the whole smoking opium thing. I guess if you had a huge a amount, and it was really well filtered, and it was only for the occasional treat... then.... yeah maybe.

Anyway, the hard part about collecting the fresh latex and keeping it for making a concentrated tea thing later, is resisting not just eating the latex right there and then when you score the pod!!
 
^ I found the hard part was actually getting off my arse and doing it. So fucking time consuming that I find it's a lot easier paying the Afghans/Golden Triangle people to do the manual labour and then refining the result of that labout into a powder and pressing it into a brick, then smuggling it over borders and overseas, then finding its way to a dealer who cuts it to shit, then paying that dealer for the goods so I can just put it in a spoon, mix with water and enjoy a much better high than opium. But that's just me.
 
could this method be used on a boiled down poppy seed tea with the gunky alkloids you get afterwards...i like to boil down my teas dry the gunky shit out roll them into pellets and swallow much easier than drinking a shitload of liquid but takes so damn long to boil down all that water on such low heat
 
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^ I found the hard part was actually getting off my arse and doing it. So fucking time consuming that I find it's a lot easier paying the Afghans/Golden Triangle people to do the manual labour and then refining the result of that labout into a powder and pressing it into a brick, then smuggling it over borders and overseas, then finding its way to a dealer who cuts it to shit, then paying that dealer for the goods so I can just put it in a spoon, mix with water and enjoy a much better high than opium. But that's just me.

I cried when I read that. Then I laughed. Now I'm a little confused... and maybe angry.

So many conflicting emotions... which emoticon should I use?!

:?

(Ah, there it is)
 
collecting that latex, then adding the resultant latex to a mass ground up pod tea extraction/filtration during the steeping stage

This is probably not a good idea, much better to add the latex to the tea after it's been filtered as there's a chance if added during steeping some of the desired alkaloids will adsorb to the surface of the plant matter.

Junkie Scumbag; said:
could this method be used on a boiled down poppy seed tea with the gunky alkloids you get afterwards...i like to boil down my teas dry the gunky shit out roll them into pellets and swallow much easier than drinking a shitload of liquid but takes so damn long to boil down all that water on such low heat

Large amounts of water isn't required during PST as opposed to making tea from the straw, all there is to dissolve is the small amount of alkaloids stuck to the outside of the seed plus a bit of dust.
If you are getting weak teas you either have bad seeds, extracting for too long or at high temps or the PH of your water is too high, the solubility of morphine increases with increases in the molar strength of citric acid. Fuck the lemon juice, get some citric acid and some potassium citrate if you feel fancy.
 
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