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    "Deepnet" the dark side of the internet? 
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    Since the other thread failed.

    So I've been hearing about the "Deep net" recently and I found this on another forum which helped me understand it more.

    Taken from here which inturn was taken from bb.com.

    THIS IS LONG, BUT WORTH THE READ.

    For those who don't know, the deep web represents a gargantuan part of the internet which is not accessible through regular searches via google or other search engines.

    Searching on the Internet today can be compared to dragging a net across the surface of the ocean. While a great deal may be caught in the net, there is still a wealth of information that is deep, and therefore, missed. The reason is simple: Most of the Web's information is buried far down on dynamically generated sites, and standard search engines never find it.

    Here are some facts on The Deep Web:

    ∑ Public information on the deep Web is currently 400 to 550 times larger than the commonly defined World Wide Web.

    ∑ The deep Web contains 7,500 terabytes of information compared to 19 terabytes of information in the surface Web.

    ∑ The deep Web contains nearly 550 billion individual documents compared to the 1 billion of the surface Web.

    ∑ More than 200,000 deep Web sites presently exist.

    ∑ Sixty of the largest deep-Web sites collectively contain about 750 terabytes of information ó sufficient by themselves to exceed the size of the surface Web forty times.

    ∑ The deep Web is the largest growing category of new information on the Internet.

    ∑ Deep Web sites tend to be narrower, with deeper content, than conventional surface sites.

    ∑ Total quality content of the deep Web is 1,000 to 2,000 times greater than that of the surface Web.

    ∑ Deep Web content is highly relevant to every information need, market, and domain.

    ∑ More than half of the deep Web content resides in topic-specific databases.

    ∑ A full ninety-five per cent of the deep Web is publicly accessible information ó not subject to fees or subscriptions.

    What lies beneath the surface is a who's who of hackers, scientists, drug dealers, astronomers, assassins, physicists, revolutionaries, Government officials, Police, Feds, terrorists, perverts, data miners, kidnappers, sociologists, etc. As you can tell, the party goes across the entire moral spectrum.

    I find this subject to be utterly fascinating which needs to be studied further. Whilst there are tons of bad seeds who inhabit this deep web, there's also good seeds who wish to spread their information quickly and most often anonymously, to avoid legal or ethical ramifications.

    In order to access the deep web you use the Tor browser in addition to the Tor extension for Firefox. This is a good starting point.

    And then access the Hidden Wiki which is a small but useful reference point to start on your journey of the deep web. kpvz7ki2v5agwt35.onion

    They got folks who literally can go toe to toe with Anon on there. Dudes who are really dangerous in the sense they are near omnipotent. This is where the serious computer viruses are made and where plots are made. They have security viruses and everything.

    SCREENSHOT OF THE HIDDEN WIKI: http://i.imgur.com/Xq7ih.png

    The reason the "Deep Web" is the way it is is because only about 10 percent of what's on the internet is generally/commercially interesting. Sure you could dig deep into the annals of the information superhighway but most if it is raw information. It's not packaged and easily digestible like stumbleupon or tumblr. They are websites that purposely don't get pinged to search engines so they are harder to find.

    To sum it up, it's basically a private section of server space to share data off record. All that wiki leaks stuffed that leaked a couple months back? That's been on deep web for years. Ever seen a movie and see the bad guy or hacker loggin' into some weird looking private server? that's all real. Generally, terrorist networks, spy agencies, drug dealers, assassins-for-hire, and those looking for child porn lurk around those parts. There's a Hidden Wiki, there, and on the wiki they're categories of links. There are things like blogs, forums (from normal to revolutionary to blatantly illegal), Tor-enabled instant messaging and chat, anonymous file hosting, anonymous financing, anonymous tipping and information exchanges, information on computer security/anonymity, info on warez/cracks/hacking, all the books, music, movies you can possibly imagine, even links to sports betting and trade information, links to international drug markets, prostitution rings, assassin markets, black market products, child pornography, Some of societies most deviant people use this network. Not just those that browse the sites on there but also those who create it and manage them..and it's almost impossible to find either of the offenders.

    Even underground fighting tournaments to the death (I'm not joking very real very organized). Very Real trained professional fighters. It may seem surreal but they are guys that train with the best and want no part of UFC or any fight league. Dudes who really enjoy fighting to the death. It's just crazy explaining it it's not some barroom brawl. These things happen and alot of millionaires pay big money to see them. Modern Gladiator battles. I heard there are some with humans vs animals.

    However, 0.00000001% of all data on the dark web is stuff normal people will be able to access, understand and use. And even a small fraction of that is illegal stuff.. its not like some hardcore underground network of spies, killers, pedos and criminals. The rest % is used by their respected authorities.

    Don't be an idiot and start clicking on links you see on the hiddenwiki, but poke your head in the door you'll see its not modern anarchy in there.

    While the information on the deep web is vastly overwhelming, it should not be feared. In most aspects, the information is just there, it's what you choose to do with the information that can lead you to trouble and imprisonment. Producing, storing, exchanging, transferring information.

    Before you begin I suggest learning how the deep web works and what you can do to better protect yourself against intruders and anything that can compromise your true anonymity

    I'll post how to get on the Hidden Wiki next.

    Here is a screenshot of a typical source in the Deep Web: http://i56.tinypic.com/241wnj5.png.

    This is like some post apacolyptic world where they only accept the bizarre currency bitcoins and all the websites look like they are from 1990's era geocities.

    BTC's are the deep web's form of currency.. bitcoins.
    This **** is hilarious, bizarre, and terrifying..
    half the time the sites dont work and result in the most cryptic jargon filled errors. the other half, you wait ten minutes for it to load only to see something which shocks you because of how serious it is. this is where the hackers hang out. The can use your own webcam to spy on you. (srs)

    I know what you're thinking some of the best hackers around and the server is slow as. The servers are probably used to a pretty small amount of traffic. With the attention deep web has got from niketalk and anon. in the last few days they are probably struggling a bit I reckon. Could be wrong on that but basically patience is a necessity in the deep web.

    Now I'm just a cog in the machine. A really big machine. And really just relaying information found on other fora as mentioned already. I'm just trying to find people that are in it already. I want to know what they're saying on current events, Libya, Nasa investigation on that metorite, higher alien life forms, where Adrian Wojnarowski gets his trade information from etc

    While the information on the deep web is vastly overwhelming, it should not be feared. In most aspects, the information is just there, it's what you choose to do with the information that can lead you to trouble and imprisonment. Producing, storing, exchanging, transferring information.

    Before you begin I suggest learning how the deep web works and what you can do to better protect yourself against intruders and anything that can compromise your true anonymity

    Here, you can read up more about the deep web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_web

    This has information on what the .onion network is and how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion

    Here is where you can read up on TOR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

    GUIDE TO GET ON DEEP WEB

    If you don't have already, download firefox at www.getfirefox.com and once installed, search for the tor extension for Firefox.

    From there, you can get the tor bundle at http://torproject.org

    Click Start Tor Browser once you have completed the steps.

    Firefox will open up with this as the main page

    From there, you are now somewhat anonymous and can now access .onion and the hidden web.

    Keep in mind that Tor is not 100% anonymous...multiple proxies are needed in addition to tor, of course a firewall and Antivirus as well. I'd disconnect or put tape over my webcam , disable javascript cookies, temp data, use ccleaner...

    Hope this helped.
    Thoughts? has anyone been there? Both Silk Road and Wikileaks was originally there.
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    is this the thing where you input something like cp ~/WWW/ to the relevant server then its automatically uploaded to the web in a way that means the information can only be accessed if you already know its there?

    i've not used it but have been told to upload slides to it if i travel to give a talk in case i get mugged etc on the way. uploading it publicly is a bad idea if you're trying to produce novel work in a competitive field. if i'm thinking of the right sort of thing then its commonly used to backup files. it can be used to avoid logging into web accounts via windows pcs (i'm not that snobby but i know a lot of people who know the risks better than i who wont do it), so to access your data without using dropbox/gmail or anything to save files.
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    From the number of links on the hidden wiki and the stats in this article I conclude that 90% of the internet is made up of child pornography

    ps I barffed
    pps Don't go there it's bad. There's literally nothing useful about it unless it's illegal or you're going somewhere very specific. There's no browsing, there's no searching, there's only miles and miles of horrible horrible things from a few incredibly slow links found in a few compendiums.
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    sounds pretty interesting, never heard of it before
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    I heard something about TOR in a news article that I read about a website called the silk road. I had never heard of deepnet, though it does make sense considering how much information is actually available. I wish I was more computer savvy. Really interesting read!
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    I opened this up after downloading the relevant whatnots, read it a little, found out about a currency called Bitcoins, got confused, read a bit more, found some child porn stuff, got a bit scared, preceded to leave it all alone for fear of implication in something...
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    Yeah I looked into it, but some of the stuff was actually pretty full on and scary and call it quits. It would be quite easy to click a wrong link and see what can't be unseen, I imagine!

    Other than that, I find the whole idea extremely fascinating.
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    Quite interesting.

    I'm a sponge when it comes to technological information.

    Not sure if I'd ever venture into this while using any of my own computers.

    But it seems that tunneling is a necessity.
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    Welcome, to the real internet.
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    what exactly is better about this untrackable "deepweb"? you can access illegal material? wonderful..............not
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    Well there is lots of information there. Talked to a friend who went on with another friend. He told me they found guides on how to make weapons from scratch, an Uzi for example. It was extremely detailed at over 100 pages long.

    Wikileaks was originally there. Who knows what you can find if you know the links. Quite intriguing actually.
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    Technically speaking, is it in any way prosecutable for me to accidentally stumble upon an array of illegal material? I'm talking about 'kiddie porn', illegal weapon manufacturing guides etc. I'm oddly curious to check out this shameless corner of the net (ALL BUT THE KIDDIE PORN!), but really could not be bothered setting effective proxies on this Laptop; and I don't trust TOR (it's not as anonymous as you may think).
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    This is pretty fascinating, it feels akin to the underworld of the internet. Although im certain there would be many gems of information amongst the horrors below; i don't think i would have the courage to go looking.. the last thing i want is to accidentally see something i can't unsee.
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    You may be thinking about Freenet... 
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    is this the thing where you input something like cp ~/WWW/ to the relevant server then its automatically uploaded to the web in a way that means the information can only be accessed if you already know its there?
    I suspect you may be thinking about Freenet. My understanding of Freenet is that it serves as a hard-to-censor information store; information is distributed among dozens of encrypted nodes. Because the information is encrypted, even the node owner doesn't know what is stored there. In other words, when you logon to Freenet, you begin storing/hosting other people's encrypted information. You don't know who it belongs to, or what it is.

    Ian Clarke, the developer of Freenet, is the closest thing to a free speech absolutist that I am aware of -- he doesn't believe in censoring anything and that includes child pornography. Don't get me wrong, he does NOT support child pornography -- he decries it, as any normal human being would. I think an article in the Guardian newspaper summed up his philosophy in this regard:

    I told him what I tell everyone, which is that like most people I wish CP didnít exist, but there are many ways to get it other than Freenet, and I donít think people should be denied the freedom to communicate just because a small minority might use it for something we donít agree with.
    You can read the entire interview at: http://blog.locut.us/2009/11/26/the-...about-freenet/

    The link to the original Guardian article Ian Clarke was commenting on can be found here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ternet-freenet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehm View Post
    what exactly is better about this untrackable "deepweb"? you can access illegal material? wonderful..............not
    Nothing is better about it and it's not untraceable
    I heard the only thing in the deep web is child pornography and snuff films, with your occasional drug vending or human trafficking site

    People just make a big deal about it because they think it's like some underground secret club house or something

    Well it's not and I guarantee if you go poking around down there with out a shit load of proxies, Tor, and whatever else you can find to hide your shit you should be expecting a knock on your door from the FBI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Well it's not and I guarantee if you go poking around down there with out a shit load of proxies, Tor, and whatever else you can find to hide your shit you should be expecting a knock on your door from the FBI
    ^^ Yeah, although it's a tempting curiosity....not worth the potential hassle. I'm surprised the "cops" on BL haven't already chimed in with their "Oh come on, you're paranoid...put down the crack pipe. The FBI/LE would never monitor your internet useage/hassle you without a warrant etc." You were gonna say something along those lines, right Dwayne?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusted Chains View Post
    ^^ Yeah, although it's a tempting curiosity....not worth the potential hassle. I'm surprised the "cops" on BL haven't already chimed in with their "Oh come on, you're paranoid...put down the crack pipe. The FBI/LE would never monitor your internet useage/hassle you without a warrant etc." You were gonna say something along those lines, right Dwayne?
    It's no secret. Ever hear of HR 1981?? The library of congress website is down for maintenance or some bullshit, but here's an article about it.

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...anel-isps-bill

    How convenient, a bill to help children gives them the power to snoop on all of us.
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    thanks for the explanation Bill I already have enough information to wade through before I die me thinks....no need to prowl the horrors of the secret web for more.
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    There's some fucked up stuff on there, but there's also a very small bit of cool stuff.
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    Nothing is better about it and it's not untraceable
    I heard the only thing in the deep web is child pornography and snuff films, with your occasional drug vending or human trafficking site

    People just make a big deal about it because they think it's like some underground secret club house or something

    Well it's not and I guarantee if you go poking around down there with out a shit load of proxies, Tor, and whatever else you can find to hide your shit you should be expecting a knock on your door from the FBI
    a.) It pretty much is untraceable to browse if you know what you are doing. Buying is another matter as it depends entirely on the medium of exchange, but using smarts and something like bitcoin or e-gold does make you largely anonymous with some additional common sense.

    b.) It's not all snuff films or CP. Quite the opposite. It's mostly warez, cybercrime, and drugs AFAIK. Snuff films can be found on the regular Internet just fine and there has been no study showing there exists a market for illegally-made films of murders. That's largely an urban legend. CP is usually only available actively through deep-, deep-, deep- networks that run based on very "secure" models as far as I'm aware due to their extremely illegal nature and your typical deepnetter will not be able to get there or care to.

    A lot of political dissidents can also use it to criticize the government or do other activities.

    The trick lies in something known as Tor hidden services.
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    Total quality content of the deep Web is 1,000 to 2,000 times greater than that of the surface Web.
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    oh i get that part, thank. i'm just questioning the thousands of times greater quality claim.
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    Yeah, I really don't get that either. Maybe it's true but how could you possibly come up with a number with any kind of meaning?
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    the article was on thin ice already since all of the dot points up until that part were essentially saying the same damn thing "the amount of information in deepnet is a really , really, really lot" yet presenting it like they were actually new bits of information.

    the idea that the net has a vast area which is not browsable through standard means is nothing special or novel. it should be obvious to anyone who's used the net since the 90's. another obvious point is that no silly new name (like deepnet, darknet, whatever) is going to make it a worthwhile endeavour to look into. it's not a subterrainian lawless wonderland full of fun, adventure and danger. there's nothing elite or subculture about it.
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