hollywood_cole
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Alright, so I've played with 4-FA a few times recently (fri/sat a few weeks ago, this past fri/sat) and have really enjoyed it. Anywhere from 7 to 25 mg, so low doses, but I definitely get a mild but noticeable euphoriant effect for the first 3 hours or so and a relatively gentle and clean stimulation (that combines well with alcohol) for the few hours after that.
I have yet to try it, but methylone sounds interesting. I was never quite as blown away as most by MDMA, but it certainly has its place, and methylone sounds like it could be an interesting substance with some of the same characteristics. And while I'd like to try it on its own, I've also heard talk of people really enjoying 4-FA and methylone together... and while it seems like both are relatively safe on their own, my extremely limited understanding of pharmacology makes me think that might not be the case when the two are taken in combination.
So, how would methylone + 4-FA compare to either alone or to, e.g., MDMA at reasonable (100 to 125 mg) doses? Both in terms of neurotoxicity and other stuff like cardiotoxicity. For that matter, what do people think methylone alone is like in terms of toxicity? I did some searching on here, and I read the wiki entry, but couldn't seem to find anything. From everything I've read on here, people seem to consider infrequent and moderate 4-FA use to be relatively non-neurotoxic, and probably no more cardiotoxic than occasional moderate MDMA use... does that sound correct?
For the record, I doubt I'd push my dosages of 4-FA alone past the 60 to 80 mg neighborhood, and I'm guessing (having not yet tried it) that my methylone dosage would stay under 150 mg (though I'd do an alergy test and then start for real around 50 mg if that was fine). And if both of those held, my initial trial with a combo would probably be something like 20 mg 4-FA and 50 mg methylone.
And while we're talking combinations... what do people think of combining either low dose 4-FA or methylone with psilocybin mushrooms? I'd imagine that could be pretty enjoyable (I love mushrooms alone and mushrooms with MDMA).
PS, I know we're not all looking for the same things in our chemical trials, but jesus, what the fuck is with people doing like a quarter to half a gram of 4-FA in one night? I just can't personally imagine it being enjoyable past the 100 mg mark. But then all my favorite stimulant experiences have pretty much been low to medium total dosages where the setting was great.
(also, I know a lot of this reads like it maybe doesn't belong in ADD, but the toxicity of methylone and methylone + 4-FA really is the question I'm most concerned with here, and this definitely seems like the place most likely to give an informed and scientifically grounded answer there. thanks in advance for any help.)
I have yet to try it, but methylone sounds interesting. I was never quite as blown away as most by MDMA, but it certainly has its place, and methylone sounds like it could be an interesting substance with some of the same characteristics. And while I'd like to try it on its own, I've also heard talk of people really enjoying 4-FA and methylone together... and while it seems like both are relatively safe on their own, my extremely limited understanding of pharmacology makes me think that might not be the case when the two are taken in combination.
So, how would methylone + 4-FA compare to either alone or to, e.g., MDMA at reasonable (100 to 125 mg) doses? Both in terms of neurotoxicity and other stuff like cardiotoxicity. For that matter, what do people think methylone alone is like in terms of toxicity? I did some searching on here, and I read the wiki entry, but couldn't seem to find anything. From everything I've read on here, people seem to consider infrequent and moderate 4-FA use to be relatively non-neurotoxic, and probably no more cardiotoxic than occasional moderate MDMA use... does that sound correct?
For the record, I doubt I'd push my dosages of 4-FA alone past the 60 to 80 mg neighborhood, and I'm guessing (having not yet tried it) that my methylone dosage would stay under 150 mg (though I'd do an alergy test and then start for real around 50 mg if that was fine). And if both of those held, my initial trial with a combo would probably be something like 20 mg 4-FA and 50 mg methylone.
And while we're talking combinations... what do people think of combining either low dose 4-FA or methylone with psilocybin mushrooms? I'd imagine that could be pretty enjoyable (I love mushrooms alone and mushrooms with MDMA).
PS, I know we're not all looking for the same things in our chemical trials, but jesus, what the fuck is with people doing like a quarter to half a gram of 4-FA in one night? I just can't personally imagine it being enjoyable past the 100 mg mark. But then all my favorite stimulant experiences have pretty much been low to medium total dosages where the setting was great.
(also, I know a lot of this reads like it maybe doesn't belong in ADD, but the toxicity of methylone and methylone + 4-FA really is the question I'm most concerned with here, and this definitely seems like the place most likely to give an informed and scientifically grounded answer there. thanks in advance for any help.)
