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    'Kratom': Natural substance becoming a growing problem?
    abc15.com (WPTV)
    July 5, 2011

    By: Dan Krauth, WPTV

    There’s a new natural substance just about anyone can buy in stores across the nation, including the Valley, that doctors say can be more addictive and dangerous than some illegal drugs.

    It’s a substance many young people are taking and substance abuse experts say it can be more difficult to get off of than heroin.

    It’s called Kratom. It’s from the leaf of a tree grown in Southeast Asia and it’s legal in the United States.

    We found a simple online search reveals there are Phoenix businesses that openly sell Kratom and dozens of others that sell it over the Internet.

    It may not be illegal, but some say it is certainly concerning.

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    Kratom is a big substance in the rehab community. Doctors said many people are taking it as a substitute for drugs like heroin or oxycodone. It does not show up on a drug test. Many doctors are now trying to get the drug banned.

    Some reports show Kratom has a chemical structure similar to a psychedelic drug. Its been reported that it can act as a stimulant in low doses and sedative in high doses.

    More at http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...rowing-problem
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    WHAT ?!?! WHAT?!??! NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kratom was doing SOO good flying under the radar.. DAMN U STUPID ASS HEAD SHOPS THAT SELL BULLSHIT KRATOM!!
    "more difficult to get off than HEROIN" ?!?!? wtf?? your seriously going to say that? b/c we all know that statement is absolute nonsense!

    damn, but seriously, I was hoping that kratom would stay under the radar and I was pretty sure it was going to seeing that its "effects" are pretty mild to non-existent in most users.. If the US or UK tries to make kratom illegal you can pretty much bet vitamin C and B vitamins will be next!
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    I highly doubt they will schedule Kratom anytime soon. The DEA has been aware of it for many years.
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    Lol @ "a new natural substance." That's some stellar researching the author did. Jesus. Articles like this piss me off. Kratom has managed to stay low key and avoid this kind of publicity, as far as I know at least. All that articles like this do is let a bunch of people in on a substance they weren't previously aware of and then some dumbass will do something stupid and then parents will start bitching about how the kids aren't safe and blah, blah, blah. Like when that governor made such a fuss about the Silk Road, he just ended up boosting the number of members, most of which would never have heard of it.
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    I guess every drug is no harder to get off then heroin. HURR DURR LETS BAN MORE HARMLESS PLANTS
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    I think kratom abuse is rather limited in scope.
    1. You basically can't IV it, snort it, or smoke it.
    2. The tea tastes too plant-y for most people.
    3. A lot of people don't get the effects they want.
    4. Forcing down 20 grams of powder to catch a buzz is... a bit much.
    5. I've yet to see someone get shot or robbed over kratom.
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    Smh.

    That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sekio View Post
    I think kratom abuse is rather limited in scope.
    1. You basically can't IV it, snort it, or smoke it.
    2. The tea tastes too plant-y for most people.
    3. A lot of people don't get the effects they want.
    4. Forcing down 20 grams of powder to catch a buzz is... a bit much.
    5. I've yet to see someone get shot or robbed over kratom.
    Yeah, exactly. If they did sell this stuff on the black market, no one would buy it because it sucks for all of those reasons. I used to be able to stand it, maybe 4-5 years ago. Now, it makes me vomit. I bet if you ate 20 g of toilet paper you would also get fucked up lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by villian View Post
    I highly doubt they will schedule Kratom anytime soon. The DEA has been aware of it for many years.
    I'm sure the DEA was aware of it. Unfortunately they're not the only ones that get laws passed against drugs.
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    this story was published almost verbatim 5 days ago in the Palm Beach (Florida) post

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/...m-1575630.html

    it was probably spoonfed to the original news network by the huge rehab industry in Palm Beach county
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    Bluelight should have a rep that can be contacted by media outlets for comment on stories like these. You never get the Harm Reduction perspective in the Mainstream Media in the US, only LEOs and the rehab industry. I predict this will change in the next few years.
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    It ought to, this is ridiculous. I don't understand how people can get so fucking excited over something so inconsequential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 235360287471352662 View Post
    Bluelight should have a rep that can be contacted by media outlets for comment on stories like these. You never get the Harm Reduction perspective in the Mainstream Media in the US, only LEOs and the rehab industry. I predict this will change in the next few years.
    We've thrown around that idea in the past. We're quite a bit aways from anything official, though. We can be reached at our admin email address, although there's no guarantee that we'd go on the record about anything...

    I'd be somewhat surprised if the media actually took us that seriously.
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    The headshops here are openly advertising it as a "painkiller herb" on tv for fucks sake
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    BECOMING A GROWING PROBLEM MY ASS.
    /rage
    I've never heard of kids using this, only responsible adults.
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    That article is fucking terrible. That being said, I think kratom will be okay. It's not like the DEA just found out about it. As others have said, kratom is pretty hard to screw up. You'll end up puking well before you take enough to causes any sort of harm. It tastes so bad it's basically self-limiting. I'm sure someone could find a way, but I feel that a death from kratom would be extremely unlikely.
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    Yeah, this is just more bullshit from the media. Nothing about this plant is new. Most users know it can be habit forming, but I don't think comparing it to heroin is fair. Maybe caffeine.

    Kratum isn't going to be made illegal. They might as well make nutmeg illegal. I can't wait to see the news story on that one.
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    This is my plea....leave kratom alone. Please...it helps those of us in pain whose scripts run out early because the pill fairy steals a few.
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    Moronic article is moronic.
    New? NEW?
    Kratom must have more history than 95% of drugs out there.

    Reading that article couldn't have been good for my blood pressure.
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    According to the mainstream media every drug there is is a "growing problem."
    Bull-fuckingshit
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    Media and moron-righteous doctors: "C'mooooooon officer...Pleeease make kratom illegal???"

    DEA: "Wha... ? Nah. C'mon man, haha, it's just a silly little plant, jeez. Let those junkies have a LITTLE fun. Besides our hands are tied as it is."

    News and docs: "But it's so baaad it causes Euphoria and make you uglier and more of a loser than a gus-huffing mutt with wheels for legs!!!"

    DEA: "Nah, it's a pretty tame drug. Back off. Man, chill out, seriously, guys. Our hands are tied shooting people to death because they transport cocaine and heroin and other fun and addictive drugs. Enough of this prohibition shit, we're dying like flies over here."

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    I tried Kratom several times, smoking an extract.
    It worked, but I was not a huge fan of the effects.
    Still, making it illegal is a stupid idea. Some people like it. 'Nuff said.
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    Oh god, leave Kratom alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlDenied View Post
    Media and moron-righteous doctors: "C'mooooooon officer...Pleeease make kratom illegal???"

    DEA: "Wha... ? Nah. C'mon man, haha, it's just a silly little plant, jeez. Let those junkies have a LITTLE fun. Besides our hands are tied as it is."

    News and docs: "But it's so baaad it causes Euphoria and make you uglier and more of a loser than a gus-huffing mutt with wheels for legs!!!"

    DEA: "Nah, it's a pretty tame drug. Back off. Man, chill out, seriously, guys. Our hands are tied shooting people to death because they transport cocaine and heroin and other fun and addictive drugs. Enough of this prohibition shit, we're dying like flies over here."

    So sad how the media plays cheerleader to the most base instinct of people and systems. By sensationalizing, they create self-fulfilling prophecies. Then, when legislation gets passed, they are emboldened to start the cycle over again with something else. I'm no fan of this, but if it continues the government is going to wise up and start implementing measures that chip away at freedom of press. This is why we can't have nice things.
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    I think the media generally views interviewing drug users about drugs as similar to interviewing rapists about rape. Ever see a news report about a rape that includes the point of view of rapists? No, that would be absurd. The media sees the recreational drug user's point of view as equally absurd and illegitimate.

    and then so then the opinion of the media constructs the reality of the general public. The media is the ultimate oppressor. It must die.
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