Opiates Lower Testosterone

[pinkanga]

Yeah finding yourself less interested in sex etc can be disturbing, and make one feel a little less, err, secure? lol. I find with effort though the libido can be revitalised to its natural state (expecially with stims), but that passive sexual interest seems to diminish.

 

[Jabberwocky]

cut down your use? exercise? (helps with depression as well). don't trade off with another drug in the equation.

no more tentacle pr0n, that shit desensitises you, son.

 

[pinkanga]

haha

Yeah I refuse to not do regular exercise. I find that it helps so much in so many areas, especially if you do a cardio sess first thing in the morning before shower/coffee etc (like not being an angry irritable fuck at work in the morning,

 

[arjans haze]

So whats the best way to naturally increase testosterone levels? Anyone have any tips?

I use codeine regularly and although Im trying to cut down I would still like to take steps to increase testosterone levels if I can. Im taking zinc, vit. D, and ZMA.

Anything else I should look at?

I use a supplement popular with steroid users (they take it after a roid cycle to get natty test back up) called resveratrol. Made from the skin of red grapes it is something I found really made a difference with my total testosterone levels. I went from 13 to 23 in the space of a month (normal is anything from 9-32) so i can say it worked for me. I used 'res 100' by wicked supplements, its a liquid resveratrol product and is used by sublingual administration. Heaps of studies on resveratrol and testosterone online man

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Thanks for the info, arjans! Resveratrol is an interesting substance it seems, and is very easy to buy at pharmacies and health food stores.

 

[pinkanga]

Cool thanks.

 

[tyrael]

Thanks for the info OP! Very interesting. I'd be interested if you (or anyone I guess! ) happen to come across any more empirical studies! Pass them on!

My personal opinion is that it does indeed decrease it. I noticed a way higher sex drive after I stopped using them.

Correlation doesn't imply causation! Having said that, I have found opiates to help in delaying "arriving" too quickly, however I have found that it (the opiate) does also decrease my libido (much to my bf's displeasure! )

Swings and roundabouts!

 

[pinkanga]

They also help in delaying "arriving" at all. Or sometimes barely arriving.

Isnt analogy fun.

 

[Oxycondone]

They also help in delaying "arriving" at all. Or sometimes barely arriving.

Isnt analogy fun.

Haha so true. I recently went off opiates for a couple of days (after daily use for at least a year) and wow, it's like I had hit puberty all over again. Took a lot to get that tent down I tell ya.

I'm very interested in these natural testosterone boosting remedies, would be great if any can be backed up with some science or evidence, user report are great as well.

@tyrael I can post a lot more studies if you are interested, the link between opiates and testosterone is pretty definitive. Bupe seems to lack a lot of harmful endocrine and immunological effects that the other full agonist opiates possess.

 

[Razzor]

I found out that the hard way. In 2007 my T was 850 ugl per dcl and I had it checked in 2009 after taking Oxycontin and having four injections in my back that year but not only Opiates will lower it those steroid and antiinflamatory injections will do it also. My second test for T that year was 166 so I have been on Testosterone injections for two years now.

 

[MrIbis]

I'd be alot more worried with alcohol than once or twice codeine use. As Belarki stated.

Alcohol is by far the worst if you can't control your use.

But then again this is coming from someone who's been known to boot goon.

LOL if booting up goon was the worst of your crimes I could safely say I didn't know you

 

[grugz]

So whats the best way to naturally increase testosterone levels? Anyone have any tips?

I use codeine regularly and although Im trying to cut down I would still like to take steps to increase testosterone levels if I can. Im taking zinc, vit. D, and ZMA.

Anything else I should look at?

Porno, lube n tissues. Getting off will release testosterone. The only problem is getting it up in first place haha

 

[Halif]

Have any of you tried Tongkat Ali?

I find it to be very effective in alleviating symptoms of low testosterone. In particular, I find it helps to raise (pun intended) the desire for sex, as opposed to simply raising the device like Viagra does. Personally, I find Viagra to cause wood, but with as much sensitivity as a bit of wood; it helps to get it up but doesn't help with enjoyment. Tongkat Ali is more holistic in that sense.

 

[tyrael]

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@tyrael I can post a lot more studies if you are interested, the link between opiates and testosterone is pretty definitive. Bupe seems to lack a lot of harmful endocrine and immunological effects that the other full agonist opiates possess.

Oh, that's interesting Oxycodone! Yeah if you've got some link to a peer-reviewed journal or the such that'll rock! (maybe PM me if you don't want to clog up the thread). I'm always keen to expand my pharma knowledge!

 

[pinkanga]

I use a supplement popular with steroid users (they take it after a roid cycle to get natty test back up) called resveratrol. Made from the skin of red grapes it is something I found really made a difference with my total testosterone levels. I went from 13 to 23 in the space of a month (normal is anything from 9-32) so i can say it worked for me. I used 'res 100' by wicked supplements, its a liquid resveratrol product and is used by sublingual administration. Heaps of studies on resveratrol and testosterone online man

Not sure if youll be back in this thread at all arjan, but just out of curiosity, were you still using opiates during the 1 month period when your test levels increased due (presumably) to resveratrol? It might just be a case of correlation rather than cause/effect.

As a sevrice to the thread Ill post my testosterone numbers from some recent tests I had (dont have the numbers in front of me). I just finished a pretty intense 6 week detox program (liver pills, bowel pills, no gluten etc) that required blood and piss tests at the start to check for any deficiencies. This was before I knew about the opiates/testosterone thing and the tests did indeed show low test levels. It also showed low zinc which can have an effect on overall testosterone levels too apparently.

Im due for some follow up blood tests in a couple weeks and once those are done Ill post my before and after levels. I think it'll be interesting as I havent quit my opiate use however I have been taking a bunch of supplements to try and improve the situation.

Been taking:

Zinc, Vit. D, ZMA, Resveratrol 100 (just arrived in the mail), and have added a regular weight sess in addition to cardio (had been lazy and hadent done any weights for ages... just been rockin the bike).

So it will be interesting as a quasi-experiment to see if my levels improve. Although its a little difficult to attribute cause when Im taking more than one supplement it should still be beneficial to anyone wanting to (or that has to) continue using opiates. Just take everything I was taking (assuming my levels improve).

 

[Muzzi]

Im gonna state the obvious and say SLEEP! Lack of sleep means less GH produced and test produced decreasing libido and function.

Zma is a great product if deficient in zinc or magnesium (both important proponents of test production). But please refrain from buy the over priced "zma" tablets, rather go to chemist ware house and purchase a bottle of zinc, and one of magnesium and just consume both tablets (making sure the quantities are similar to that of the standard zma dosage. (NB: With zinc and magnesium more is not always better so stick to the general dose, or as close to!)

Meat-aka red meat and eggs with yolks included: Saturated fat from both products help test production and the nutrients are amazing and better than any supplment.

Multivitamin- No one has time for eating a variety of food it seems so these help attempt to provide nutrients which are missing, its not a food replacement, just a lil helper boy! Btw did i mention sleep?

Weight training- Muscle is maintained using testosterone (only one of many systems) therefore more muscle mass = more test for maintaning that mass (very simply put). Squats release the most test of any exercise so get on it...or under it!

Food is an obvious one, but in a priority list of functions our body performs to live, producing test is last and when faced with reduced calories is the first to go. Dieters, the harder they diet and the more extreme, the more test production is shutdown, thefore sufficient calories to maintain weight is needed.

Oh and have the damn sexy time! No..im not saying helping yourself but with an other...or many others at once. Enaging in the act increases test. Would have thought that hey!

Try getting the base elements right before spending too much on 'supplements; and test-boosters (fyi any test booster purchased in oz will have minimal potency (unlike our u.s counterparts) and majority will have similar ingredients to those cliche supermarket sold libido/test boosters. Our body doesnt like a quick fix, its craves homostastis and balance so dont attempt to try shock it into it!

 

[arjans haze]

Not sure if youll be back in this thread at all arjan, but just out of curiosity, were you still using opiates during the 1 month period when your test levels increased due (presumably) to resveratrol? It might just be a case of correlation rather than cause/effect.

As a sevrice to the thread Ill post my testosterone numbers from some recent tests I had (dont have the numbers in front of me). I just finished a pretty intense 6 week detox program (liver pills, bowel pills, no gluten etc) that required blood and piss tests at the start to check for any deficiencies. This was before I knew about the opiates/testosterone thing and the tests did indeed show low test levels. It also showed low zinc which can have an effect on overall testosterone levels too apparently.

Im due for some follow up blood tests in a couple weeks and once those are done Ill post my before and after levels. I think it'll be interesting as I havent quit my opiate use however I have been taking a bunch of supplements to try and improve the situation.

Been taking:

Zinc, Vit. D, ZMA, Resveratrol 100 (just arrived in the mail), and have added a regular weight sess in addition to cardio (had been lazy and hadent done any weights for ages... just been rockin the bike).

So it will be interesting as a quasi-experiment to see if my levels improve. Although its a little difficult to attribute cause when Im taking more than one supplement it should still be beneficial to anyone wanting to (or that has to) continue using opiates. Just take everything I was taking (assuming my levels improve).

Seems along time to be on a forum just to try and boost a products sales wouldnt you think buddy? Its the only one I know of in Aus which is liquid. If you do a bit of research sublingual administration of resveratrol has found to be far and away the best way to take this supplement. Found this and cut and pasted;

One way of administering resveratrol in humans may be buccal delivery, that is without swallowing, by direct absorption through the inside of the mouth. When one milligram of resveratrol in 50 mL 50% alcohol/ water solution was retained in the mouth for one minute before swallowing, 37 ng/ml of free resveratrol were measured in plasma two minutes later.

Ive got a chronic back injury so I used my opiate meds throughout. Look it worked for me and its huge in the bodybuilding industry. I was simply trying to help, so keep your crap to yourself in future.

 

[pinkanga]

What the fuck are you talking about? I simply asked you a question... I wasnt implying anything.

Seriously, re-read my post.

 

[Oxycondone]

Resveratrol looks like a very interesting candidate for a natural testosterone boosts to counteract the opiate effects (hopefully safer than boosting it artificially). I'm going to look into it further (ie read some journal articles) and I might order some if my findings come out positive. I'm keen on doing a bit of body building too (or at least getting back into it), if this works this would be a great, almost essential, aid.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Keep it civil guys; arjans, pinkanga obviously wasn't trying to start nothing he was simply asking a question to clarify something. No need to jump the gun, eh?