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Kept busy all day so haven't noticed the rls. I'm very tired though. Going to see how tonight goes. I know I'm lucky compared to some i just hope I get back to normal soon.
 
My boyfriend has me in opiate hell
I am a mother of two who is at a loss for what to do. My boyfriend is hopelessly addicted to heroin and he recently talked me into snorting it. He spends every dime on it, so much so that I am about to be without electricity. I don't want to be with him anymore but he won't leave. The few times the police made him leave he would just break back in and tell the police I let him back in. And in the past I did but I'm tired of living like this but my local pd doesn't believe me anymore and neither does my family. My family won't help and I have no one else to ask since the few friends I did have he ran off years ago. The only ppl he knows are drug users and he won't stop bringing it in my house and putting it in my face. I feel like this is never going to end until I have nothing left. I personally haven't done anything in a day and a half now, but he is lying there scheming on a way to come up with some money to get dope. Everything that has been bought for me and my kids gets returned the next day, my jewelry is gone, he got fired, my electricity is about to get cut off, and I feel absolutely hopeless right now. I personally don't want anymore dope, don't know where to get it, and wouldn't spend my money on it anyways. I don't even like it. I could use some guidance or kind words to help me through this, my family doesn't understand because they have never been in this situation. I can't even think straight I'm so worried about losing my kids and I just want to feel better.
 
^I bet someone in your family would take you and your child in if you told them it was to get away from the dope. You need to get away from that relationship and need to be around people who will support you.
 
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So Ive done a short taper, today I want to end it all. We are 21h post dose and I experience very minimal symptom, but the 4 day coming will be a bit hard.
I wan't only to know, in term of WD, where loperamide is helpfull ? Only shit and nausea (wich I will probably not have much) ? Or it help a bit with other side too ?

I need to work on some job interview, I can't be too much fucked up by WD
 
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Lope works, but it isn't perfect. Try to get lyrica or gabapentin (neurontin). I tried lope a few times when desperate and it worked but I could feel the withdrawal bubbling under the surface.
 
Lope has helped me a lot. It helps with the super squirts and with the sneezing and water fall nose. It does not help with energy or cravings.
 
very true, and pain clinics take their urine testing very seriously. I had a few moments to look over the nurses shoulder and look at a blank test result page template, there was over 4 dozen different substances they tested for. and extremely specific. For instance - OTC meds were listed, and Instead of just a yes/no box for benzodiaprines it was broken down into "xanax, klonopin, valium, librium, etc.

I never tried using any "fake" urine, but freezing my own when i was in the middle of withdrawals and nothing but kratom to take worked just fine. In fact, they must not have any type of hormonal evaluation because the last appointment caught me off guard and i ended up using my wifes pee :)

i figured, i have a chance the test is gonna be strictly for pharmaceutical detection and thats it - it actually worked


jamesBrown said:
^^I'd say it's also important to note what KIND of drug tests they are performing. This drastically changes how you approach the whole situation. Many docs simply do a "dip stick test"(or POC)...of which there are varying kinds of varying accuracy and detection time. But, especially in pain management clinics, they often do GC-MS testing, which isn't fooled by fake urine, and can detect drug use for a MUCH MUCH longer period of time. This is what they do at my clinic....EVERY visit.
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Hi, Im pretty new to all of this. I have a question. Ive been using Oxycodone since the 23th of december. First few days I use 60 to 80mg a day then went up. Im now at 200 to 250 mg a day.I want to stop tomorrow.I have to. Do you think I¡ll feel any w/d? At all? Something? Im scared...I have Kratom to use but I don't know waht to expect. Thanks a lot
 
SnapzWagner said:
^^^ yikes, i feel for ya man, i hope that didnt screw things up for you.
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Screw things up for me? Actually no, I only take the meds I'm prescribed. So it kinda works in my favor...it shows that even an ex-junky can be prescribed the strongest opioid analgesic medications and take them correctly. Although to be completely honest, I do sometimes change HOW I take my meds in order to get the most benefit out of them(example: sometimes I need to take my hydromorphone rectally in order to take advantage of the higher bioavailability when I've had an extra bad pain day).

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So far, ive had nothing but urine tests, and i noticed the last few times he actually handed me the script BEFORE he asked me to piss in the test bottle. I think it must really have alot of variables (I.E. - age, condition, past history, geographical location)
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It really doesn't matter when my doctor gives me my scripts during my appointment since the urine/saliva/hair samples are sent to a lab for testing. I believe it takes at least 3 days, if not longer, for them to use GC-MS...as they do at many pain management clinics.

And it's very common for a doctor to see that you failed a test(even multiple times) and yet say nothing about it until they bring the subject up and then kick you out of their program. I think they do this in order to see if there was a possible mistake and/or it was a one time occurrence...or they are waiting for you to fail 3 times(or whatever number) so they can kick you outright once they bring it up to you instead of telling you that you failed the DT the first time thus obligating them to help you before you started to fail more tests.
 
My last PM appointment was 7 weeks after my previous due to work travel. Since my meds had run out I was taking poppyseed tea to bridge the gap. I quit the tea 5 days before my appointment and ended up with a urine screen. Not sure how that turned out. Will try the poppyseed rolls at Christmas excuse if i need to but even that probably won't work. I checked my contract and there was nothing about poppyseed intake (my sister in Texas has restrictions on poppyseed muffins, etc.)

Funny though- I am prescribed 10mg Oxy 4x a day which does not even come close to the quality or length of pain relief I get from poppyseed tea
 
I would like to add my 2 cents to what was said about how to get scripts from a doc for pain..this is something I have being doing for over a decade (for actual pain) and some things that were given as advice aren't necessarily true. For example, I have a very extensive knowledge of many many different drugs prescription and street. You don't have to play ignorant, you can do that but more than likely dr will think you have no experience with opiates so it will take forever to get where you want to be. All I say when requesting a change of medication or dosage is that I talked to the pharmacist or did some research online about my condition and that what I am currently taking is not helping in an acceptable way so lets try [enter opiate name here]. Ive had 2 pain docs and a surgeon essentially allow me to choose my own scripts because I let them see I educated myself from professionals as well as self research. Also when they ask for your pain score NEVER say 10 and tell them you will never say ur pain is a 10 because it can always be worse (medieval torture is going to be worse than ur slipped/degenerative disc). Another thing when you get drug tested, which you will the first time you see the doc and at least once a year after that if you are prescribed meds and you are taking piss in with you (which I do) you had better make sure it aint clean piss, that you will come up positive for what you are prescribed because they will be looking for that. Levels of the drug isn't nearly as important as just the prescribed drugs being present in urine test, people process differently and if your pain is actually not controlled very well I have gotten away with multiple times saying I had to take more of instant release medication than was prescribed because pain spiraled that far out of control I felt it was only thing I could do. After I said that dr. raised my dosage and daily quantity. What ive learned through all these years of visiting docs for surgery consults and pain management is don't try and outsmart your doc, he more than likely will see right through bullshit but if you have a solid relationship and he knows you are in serious pain you will get farther telling some semblance of the truth instead of concocting a lie. One thing to lie through your teeth about tho is previous drug use and current drug/alcohol use. They wont give someone who they know has an addiction problem controlled substances, at least not good ones to take home. So pass your drug tests, let them know you aren't retarded, follow their treatment suggestions even if you don't want to, I cant count how many injections ive gotten that I knew wouldn't help and hurt like a sonofabitch but being willing to do anything to make pain better goes a long way with them.
 
Just to make it clear, my condition isnt a "slipped disc", in the beginning there was speculation it was just a dislodged disc, ive had countless MRI's, x-ray, nerve tests, procedures to understand exactly whats going on in my body, and without getting into the complex medical jargon - basically, degrading at a faster rate then initially thought, and my body just isnt able to heal itself as it should. the degradation has spread to my hips, and ive suffered permanent nerve damage. Ive been told that out of the few possible surgical options i have, the risk outweighs the reward - so to speak, and assuming the surgery was successful it would only provide temporary structure to my spine. i use a cane to walk on a good day, on a bad day when i've gone through all my painkillers and poppy tea is not available, i am rendered immobile completely. As things were left, as of my last visit with my PM doctor, he's referred me to a cancer specialist to perform what i'm sure will be a whole new array of tests and evaluations. I've canceled and rescheduled the appointment with the "specialist"a few times. i know what cancer does, it runs rampant in my family, as does phsychological issues. Thus my other perscriptions im on to treat manic depression/bipolar disorder, PTSD, and dissasociative disorder. i hate rattling off the shit that i deal with, but im at peace with the psychological problems, ive been dealing with them since grade school. i'm coming to terms with the possibility of the extent of my physical problems slowly but surely. I know it sounds idiotic, but if what i have becomes any type of terminal problem i'd just rather not know about it right now.

anyway, now that thats out of the way, i comprehend that your doctor may approach your pain issues in a different way, thats why i mentioned all the protocal can differ with multiple varials - age, condition, geographic location, etc. All i can speak of is how doctors go about pain treatment around me, in the Chicagoland area. If your doctor is more flexible, and willing to prescribe you exactly what you ask for, then good on you. I mean that sincerely. and my current doctor doesnt seem to ponder my words as "bullshit" because i happen to be more than qualified to recieve potent painkillers, and i'm also an abuser of said painkillers. I'm sure i'm not the only one with that mindset, i was a heavy drinker for over 20 years, until i replaced that with various opiates and benzodiaprines. Now i dont drink because honestly, i dont feel the need to, after graduating to pills, i've just replaced one addiction with another. things arent always black and white, i think most of us thrive in the grey area in life.



Joseole82 said:
I would like to add my 2 cents to what was said about how to get scripts from a doc for pain..this is something I have being doing for over a decade (for actual pain) and some things that were given as advice aren't necessarily true. For example, I have a very extensive knowledge of many many different drugs prescription and street. You don't have to play ignorant, you can do that but more than likely dr will think you have no experience with opiates so it will take forever to get where you want to be. All I say when requesting a change of medication or dosage is that I talked to the pharmacist or did some research online about my condition and that what I am currently taking is not helping in an acceptable way so lets try [enter opiate name here]. Ive had 2 pain docs and a surgeon essentially allow me to choose my own scripts because I let them see I educated myself from professionals as well as self research. Also when they ask for your pain score NEVER say 10 and tell them you will never say ur pain is a 10 because it can always be worse (medieval torture is going to be worse than ur slipped/degenerative disc). Another thing when you get drug tested, which you will the first time you see the doc and at least once a year after that if you are prescribed meds and you are taking piss in with you (which I do) you had better make sure it aint clean piss, that you will come up positive for what you are prescribed because they will be looking for that. Levels of the drug isn't nearly as important as just the prescribed drugs being present in urine test, people process differently and if your pain is actually not controlled very well I have gotten away with multiple times saying I had to take more of instant release medication than was prescribed because pain spiraled that far out of control I felt it was only thing I could do. After I said that dr. raised my dosage and daily quantity. What ive learned through all these years of visiting docs for surgery consults and pain management is don't try and outsmart your doc, he more than likely will see right through bullshit but if you have a solid relationship and he knows you are in serious pain you will get farther telling some semblance of the truth instead of concocting a lie. One thing to lie through your teeth about tho is previous drug use and current drug/alcohol use. They wont give someone who they know has an addiction problem controlled substances, at least not good ones to take home. So pass your drug tests, let them know you aren't retarded, follow their treatment suggestions even if you don't want to, I cant count how many injections ive gotten that I knew wouldn't help and hurt like a sonofabitch but being willing to do anything to make pain better goes a long way with them.
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i agree, though it took me a long time to get results, as of a few weeks ago i finally did. The closest thing i can compare it to is the liquid morphine they shot me up with when i severed my ring finger years ago. Problem is, most of the poppy seeds you find at the local stores are garbage. If you can find the brand that comes in 8 ounce bags, that shits powerful! Thanks to this site i've picked up alot of pointers on how to get the most out of poppy tea. I can make a batch out of 1.5 lbs of poppy seeds (3 bags) that can last up to 2 days depending on the batch of seeds.

Everyones tolerance is different, good to know you can "bridge the gap" with relatively low cost ingredients from your local supermarket :) best of luck to you




mmmessner said:
My last PM appointment was 7 weeks after my previous due to work travel. Since my meds had run out I was taking poppyseed tea to bridge the gap. I quit the tea 5 days before my appointment and ended up with a urine screen. Not sure how that turned out. Will try the poppyseed rolls at Christmas excuse if i need to but even that probably won't work. I checked my contract and there was nothing about poppyseed intake (my sister in Texas has restrictions on poppyseed muffins, etc.)

Funny though- I am prescribed 10mg Oxy 4x a day which does not even come close to the quality or length of pain relief I get from poppyseed tea
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sorry, they put a time limit on PMs, but anyway, dont want to scare you. It differs from person to person. Tapering down is the way to go, although i know that can be tough itself. But it sounds like youve pushed through the roughest days. personally, opiate withdrawals have been the worst for me 7 to 10 days after going off them. but thats just me - it varies from person to person. Just keep at it, theres available sources that can help you (as i mentioned in the message), talking to a doctor about suboxone is an option, benzo's help as well if you have a script for them. Sounds like your doing ok, and this site is a good resource for options as well. Hang in there, you'll be ok :)



mariconix said:
Do you think It will be really bad? What like if I was on ot for months? Or mild...should I quite CT or taper..??
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