mankind is intergalactic virus

[Canis aureus]

RE:OP; the "humanity is a virus" thread pops up rather often, so for my reply...




in sum: humanity has the potential to be the opposite of a virus, and we should try to head in that direction ASAP

I think so too. But it's bit hard to find consensus how to find such direction and what could it be.

Namely, when I think about the matter really hard and listen other people, I disagree with others the most often... I mean, about means to find a direction and about that direction itself.

 

[Talksick]

pessimistic,if you lived in third world country,if you were and indian that lives in poisoned place by oil company,if you were on lab rat,chicken,cow,pig or whatever animal that will live and die in horrible way just becose human,if you were a tree that was cut,if you were a animal whose species are nearing total extiction,if you saw what other lifeforms other than human experience everyday becose of mankind,then you would know that I am not some crazy pesimist dude,every single thing I presented in this thread is all for good reason.

Before I done acid I didnt care about anything like that,trees were just some stupid things that occasionaly gave me yummy fruit,animals didnt had any value.I didnt cared about them,now I would attack you if you wanted to kill single spider or damage any part of nature for no reason.I feel so much empathy towards single grass leaf as I feel for myself.Every living thing is equal,human in my eyes dont have any bigger value than single cell of virus yet mankind acts like its something terra uber witch makes me want to detonate powerfull nuke and dehumanize universe.

I wasn't attacking you. I was trying to say that although things may look like total crap(which they are) it doesn't mean that you should believe we are doomed. I feel the same exact way that you do about all of those things, and I used to be a very pessimistic person, but one day I realized that pessimism will only lead to our demise. We need be optimistic about our future. We have a capacity for greatness, but it's being choked out by negativity. In summary, whoever is pulling the strings globally knows that the best way to achieve total chaos is to make everyone lose hope, so DON"T LOSE HOPE! & Peace

 

[qwe]

this applies to smart and good people,not the ones that rule the world,thats the problem.Theres too small number of good people,and those that had chance to be good were brainwashed and poisoned with lies.


I think people can becose something awesome but in current system we live in its
impossible

it applies to everyone. everyone is a part of the development. but yeah, some are frozen on that line of progress... there's a generation gap between successive revolutionary ideas, because things do get frozen/imprinted into the minds of people and then you need that generation to die out for fresh ideas. but that doesn't mean that these people, frozen in those particular ways, are not still a part of the developing earth, and contributing to its development.

I think so too. But it's bit hard to find consensus how to find such direction and what could it be.

as you go further back in time, revolutions like what is happening in egypt and many other countries were simply held down and slaughtered, because there was no global media to show the world. transparency and honesty are increasing.

as you go further back in time, on a large scale, and examine human remains, you are more likely to die at the hands of another human the farther back in time you go. the myth of eden is a myth.

as you go forward in time, awareness about our surroundings and our capability to influence it increase... not just in a straight line, but exponentially. meaning 1000 years of progress becomes 100 years of progress becomes 10 years of progress becomes 1 year becomes 10 days, etc.

all of these three factors have one primary variable impacting them... our technological progress.

the direction we should go is "forward". the status quo is causing absurd and unnecessary amounts of suffering, so it's clear we have to head somewhere... and it's clear that heading backwards, heading to more (less publicized) violence and more racism and more inequality is the wrong thing to do. conservative ideologies, nationalism, and religion used to have their social functions, but are now outdated in the grand scheme of things.

so my direction: internationalist (no borders; someone in El Paso should have access to healthcare in Ciudad) democratic (a true democracy can be brought about with information technology, imo... aka the internet) socialist (if everybody has what they need to survive, they can start worrying about more important things... like how to be less of a "virus")

 

[DOB]

I wasn't attacking you. I was trying to say that although things may look like total crap(which they are) it doesn't mean that you should believe we are doomed. I feel the same exact way that you do about all of those things, and I used to be a very pessimistic person, but one day I realized that pessimism will only lead to our demise. We need be optimistic about our future. We have a capacity for greatness, but it's being choked out by negativity. In summary, whoever is pulling the strings globally knows that the best way to achieve total chaos is to make everyone lose hope, so DON"T LOSE HOPE! & Peace

in current state we need so much more than possitivity,we need some drastic actions like killing 95% of all politics around the world + total change of laws + killing all idiots witch is around 1-2 bilion people + destruction of all things that poison air and ground,thats all gasoline cars + many factories and prohibition of thing like convetional gas engines and other chemical threats.We also must give equal right to humans and animals all over the world and start to build fields of solar panels.Also we must re educate humans all over the world,undo the brainwash that was cast at them,then,maybe the world can live in harmony

I would prohibit use of gas engines and things that poison earth,world can be perfectly fine with electric cars.People that currently make money from gas would be publicly killed with guillotine,maybe then people would start to be good to nature.

 

[Talksick]

in current state we need so much more than possitivity,we need some drastic actions like killing 95% of all politics around the world + total change of laws + killing all idiots witch is around 1-2 bilion people.

We also must give equal right to humans and animals all over the world and start to build fields of solar panels.Also we must re educate humans all over the world,undo the brainwash that was cast at them,then,maybe the world can live in harmony

No offense, but it sounds like Hitler took some acid and switched sides. You can't just eliminate 2 billion people from the Earth. That is just as crazy as the sick fucking puppet masters. You can't end killing with more killing and that's why war is a joke. Murder solves nothing.

I'm assuming you are familiar with DMT. I believe DMT is the key to continuing our race, but more importantly re-programing everyone's brain-washed minds. If we could get the whole world on a massive DMT awakening I believe we could completely change our existence. Like I said in an earlier post, I will write a new topic about why I think we aren't heading toward our impending doom.

 

[Quantum Perception]

We do act like a cancer on the earth, but I believe the earth can ultimately: "shake us off like a bad case of fleas" (G.Carlin)

 

[DOB]

No offense, but it sounds like Hitler took some acid and switched sides. You can't just eliminate 2 billion people from the Earth. That is just as crazy as the sick fucking puppet masters. You can't end killing with more killing and that's why war is a joke. Murder solves nothing.

I'm assuming you are familiar with DMT. I believe DMT is the key to continuing our race, but more importantly re-programing everyone's brain-washed minds. If we could get the whole world on a massive DMT awakening I believe we could completely change our existence. Like I said in an earlier post, I will write a new topic about why I think we aren't heading toward our impending doom.

acid hitler or not,when certain animal species reach critical overpopulation,what we do? we kill many of them,at the end its all good becose eco system will be put back to harmony,I dont see any reason why we should not do this with most overpopulated varmint ever,homo sappiens sappiens.Ofcourse killing can end killing,but the killing I want to end is killing of nature and animals,I care about innocent people that die too but we are far from endangered species,while many many animals and forests are practicly gone.Two bilion is too much probably,maybe couple of milions will be enough,all these money addicts,politics,corporation leaders,terrorist groups and many other that make this world one big bad trip

 

[Canis aureus]

as you go further back in time, on a large scale, and examine human remains, you are more likely to die at the hands of another human the farther back in time you go. the myth of eden is a myth.

as you go forward in time, awareness about our surroundings and our capability to influence it increase... not just in a straight line, but exponentially. meaning 1000 years of progress becomes 100 years of progress becomes 10 years of progress becomes 1 year becomes 10 days, etc.

all of these three factors have one primary variable impacting them... our technological progress.

the direction we should go is "forward". the status quo is causing absurd and unnecessary amounts of suffering, so it's clear we have to head somewhere... and it's clear that heading backwards, heading to more (less publicized) violence and more racism and more inequality is the wrong thing to do. conservative ideologies, nationalism, and religion used to have their social functions, but are now outdated in the grand scheme of things.

so my direction: internationalist (no borders; someone in El Paso should have access to healthcare in Ciudad) democratic (a true democracy can be brought about with information technology, imo... aka the internet) socialist (if everybody has what they need to survive, they can start worrying about more important things... like how to be less of a "virus")

Yes, that's true in a way.. . Namely if we check that phenomenon as you described it. But in history, there are often back slides there too. Call it Hegelian or whatever, the direction is not as forward as you said, in my experience... though I admit and really believe that the general idea is that everything is getting better all the time.

The disagreement doesn't show up, when one thinks and looks according to big schemes... I' not sure, but may it is needed too. It is often harrashing, bothering and all that. But because of problems there are inventions, because of disagreement, there is agreement in the end.

Status qua isn not good for us, I agree, but some firm things should stand still (not the best idiom I guess)...

Could change be a firm thing?

I'm just meaning that some things or concepts like, forexample, "progress" could and should stay (not stand still) there in the picture and not to be blurred or diminished. In that way something have to be conserved, thoug it really doesn't conserve but keep us moving...

I just expressed what I though, I really need to think about this again. Some year ago, I thought about it (more) but recently I have done more practical things...

 

[Talksick]

acid hitler or not,when certain animal species reach critical overpopulation,what we do? we kill many of them,at the end its all good becose eco system will be put back to harmony,I dont see any reason why we should not do this with most overpopulated varmint ever,homo sappiens sappiens.Ofcourse killing can end killing,but the killing I want to end is killing of nature and animals,I care about innocent people that die too but we are far from endangered species,while many many animals and forests are practicly gone.Two bilion is too much probably,maybe couple of milions will be enough,all these money addicts,politics,corporation leaders,terrorist groups and many other that make this world one big bad trip

Okay, but one thing you fail to understand is that humans are a part of the Earth's ecosystem, and eliminating half the population would do us more harm than good. Don't get me wrong I understand what you are saying, but you are trying to go about it the wrong way.

 

[DOB]

Okay, but one thing you fail to understand is that humans are a part of the Earth's ecosystem, and eliminating half the population would do us more harm than good. Don't get me wrong I understand what you are saying, but you are trying to go about it the wrong way.

ecosystem would run without us much better than with us,people in cities are not part of ecosystem,they are driving force of eco destruction

 

[Talksick]

ecosystem would run without us much better than with us,people in cities are not part of ecosystem,they are driving force of eco destruction

Yes, but killing off half of the population would only further pollute the Earth. Especially the fat bastard Americans. What would you do with all of the cities, cars, toxic waste, garbage, etc. What about all of the animals that are being raised in prison camps? You would have to kill all of them too which would further pollute the ecosystem with their toxic flesh. What about all the animals that are test subjects? You going to release them into the wild again or kill them? If you released them they could harm the Earth with toxic chemicals they have been subjected to, but if you kill them then you are being just as inhumane as the bastards that torture them. See where I'm going with this? Our problem is greater than what can be fixed physically. We are too far past that. Too much damage has already been done. We must think outside of the box. I believe it was the Incas that legend says all disappeared overnight without a trace. I think if enough people had the same intention that we could create a new reality. That is why there is such a rugged agenda to inhibit us from coming closer together as a race, the human race.

 

[DOB]

Yes, but killing off half of the population would only further pollute the Earth. Especially the fat bastard Americans. What would you do with all of the cities, cars, toxic waste, garbage, etc. What about all of the animals that are being raised in prison camps? You would have to kill all of them too which would further pollute the ecosystem with their toxic flesh. What about all the animals that are test subjects? You going to release them into the wild again or kill them? If you released them they could harm the Earth with toxic chemicals they have been subjected to, but if you kill them then you are being just as inhumane as the bastards that torture them. See where I'm going with this? Our problem is greater than what can be fixed physically. We are too far past that. Too much damage has already been done. We must think outside of the box. I believe it was the Incas that legend says all disappeared overnight without a trace. I think if enough people had the same intention that we could create a new reality. That is why there is such a rugged agenda to inhibit us from coming closer together as a race, the human race.

I would do nothing,animals will eat dead bodies,lab animals would be free,atleast they would be free for one day,their toxic flesh is bad but its not my fault.If all humans died,it futher poisoning of nature will happen but again,thats not my fault,I cant anything with it.I cant just go around world and clean everything from chemicals but after about 200 years after our extinction,cities will become part of nature again,poisons would breakdown,dead bodies will become just old memory.I see where are you going,thats why I made this thread

 

[Talksick]

I would do nothing,animals will eat dead bodies,lab animals would be free,atleast they would be free for one day,their toxic flesh is bad but its not my fault.If all humans died,it futher poisoning of nature will happen but again,thats not my fault,I cant anything with it.I cant just go around world and clean everything from chemicals but after about 200 years after our extinction,cities will become part of nature again,poisons would breakdown,dead bodies will become just old memory.I see where are you going,thats why I made this thread

You must consider the half life of all the toxic waste. It is too far gone. There is nothing we can do about it physically, and worrying about it will not do any good. Neither would mass murder; Look where it has landed us so far.

 

[qwe]

ecosystem would run without us much better than with us,people in cities are not part of ecosystem,they are driving force of eco destruction

they are a part of the ecosystem. humans are animals, and ecosystems can destroy themselves if they want to. the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was part of the "ecosystem of our solar system".

there's nothing inherently good about the "natural order of things", and when possible, we should change the natural order so that there is less involuntary suffering and more happiness.

that's what matters, in the end, as far as i can see. we should try to be a positive species, rather than give up and call ourselves totally a virus.

 

[sssssssssss]

you can look at it as a virus, or as a potential mutation that evolves the whole universe.

humans have as much potential as you belive them to have.

...and they are as ugly as you want them to be

 

[Pythagoras]

^^

What do YOU believe?

 

[sssssssssss]

If anything was a virus, itd be the trees and plants, they look like mold.

I like to think were the dna of the universe and was created in order to store information that it cant do itself. The earth is never in the same position and is in who knows how many roatations as well as going from point a to point b.

You dont know where anything came from nor do you know where its going and its our job to figure that out for the universe.

i think we have a lot in common with dna as well.
we learn by copying others. and everything we do is just a derivative of an experience weve once had. so just by our actions we are providing history of our own unique past...
who knows maybe we are just one half of a double helix and the other half is an anti-parallel of everything.

everything has an opposite that it needs to survive.
cant have light w/o dark.

but well never know just like you cant tell me the first number or the last number. you can just give me the concept of infinity. you dont know where you came from or where youre going.

 

[Pythagoras]

^^

I'm not so sure of planetary flora and fauna being virus-like.

In answer to the OP's question, perhaps humans are analogous to parasites rather than a virus. The 'Dominion Tradition' of the Abrahamic faiths (Genesis 1:26 and 1:28) has to be the most pernicious, proto-anthropocentric prescription in the history of the written word.

Our dominion over the natural world has not quenched our thirst for sovereignty, and is now being extended to encompass not only the external world, but our internal world.

Dominion over the self, the hubristic, proactive engagement with science and technology, in the search for god-like powers of immortality, and the co-opting of the omni- nature attributed to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, sets us on a path of self-destruction.

We risk our survival as a species as a result of this 'will to dominion' of our external and internal selves.

the manoeuvres to the Singularity reflects the desire to force the Eschaton, and we are too immature as a species to act out as Prometheans...with our eyes wide shut!

 

[DOB]

If anything was a virus, itd be the trees and plants, they look like mold.

I like to think were the dna of the universe and was created in order to store information that it cant do itself. The earth is never in the same position and is in who knows how many roatations as well as going from point a to point b.

You dont know where anything came from nor do you know where its going and its our job to figure that out for the universe.

i think we have a lot in common with dna as well.
we learn by copying others. and everything we do is just a derivative of an experience weve once had. so just by our actions we are providing history of our own unique past...
who knows maybe we are just one half of a double helix and the other half is an anti-parallel of everything.

everything has an opposite that it needs to survive.
cant have light w/o dark.

but well never know just like you cant tell me the first number or the last number. you can just give me the concept of infinity. you dont know where you came from or where youre going.

trees and plants are very positive things,they live in harmony with earth and are the main reason why life on earth is possible.Humans are pure destruction and evil,they live in way words cannot describe,they are like cancer,they are the main reason why life on earth is hell for many living things

I dont know where anything came from but I have very clear picture where it is now and where its going.Humans are intergalactic cancer,filthy evil disease


I agree that light cant be without dark but I think mankind is overdoing the darkside too much.Look at nature,theres alot violence death and pain but what humans bring is zilion time worse... its major inbalance

 

[Talksick]

DOB I understand and agree with you, but what I am trying to say is this:

The elite want you to believe that humans are inherently evil. They want you to believe there is no hope. They want you to fear. So don't and they won't succeed.

Peace&Drugs