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    The Kratom Euphoria is better Than Vicodin Euphoria don't you think? 
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    Mods can you do a poll?

    Seriously. I don't understand why this leaf gets only a hum drum response on BL. I take Vicodin. I take Kratom. I compare the two. Vicodin gives a great euphoria but Kratom gives you euphoria like a thoroughbread racehorse and somehow makes you feel 6 ft. 4 in. and bulletproof. Vicodin just gives you a happy euphoria while Kratom makes you feel invinceable. I can't understand why anyone would prefer hydrocodone over kratom.

    Just my $.02
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    Kratom is much more subtle, this makes it more stimulating than a lot of opiates.
    Hydrocodone doesn't have a real limit to tolerance, and can be abused much more heavily.

    So, to the OP...

    ...No, it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychedelic Jay View Post
    Kratom is much more subtle, this makes it more stimulating than a lot of opiates.
    Kratom is extremely stimulating... more than hydrocodone imo. This is why I think it is better choice than vicodin.
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    I never really found kratom stimulating, just opiate-like, but Psychedelic Jay is right, it's more subtle. I think it varies from person to person. I do enjoy taking a 5mg vicodin and some kratom, however.
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    I'm starting to get into Kratom. The first time I tried it it was just ok, because I really didn't know what dose to take, but I gave it another shot and I really like it. But I don't think the europhia is better or stronger than vicodin. I do think Kratom is quite subtle. Nothing subtle about Vicodin at all. With Vicodin or other opiates I feel like I'm in love with the world, well that is when my tolerance isn't shot to hell.
    With Kratom I just feel comfortable and content but sometimes, that's all I want...so its all good.
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    different people with different brain chemistry enjoy different things.

    I heard gay sex is awesome. Do you crave a 12" cock being pounded inside you now?

    Different stroke/different folks.
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    i find hydrocodone euphoria a bit better, kratom is bit more similar(in terms of euphoria) to codeine imo.
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    Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
    so.... NO
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    Euphoria is an interesting term.

    Hydrocodone is the stronger opioid of the two and gives stronger opioid responses including what I consider euphoria. Mainly joy swelling up inside you and running all over your body. That being said Kratom's euphoria is much more 'empathy' where I 'feel' and 'relate' and am in tune with the world. Plus on lower doses Kratom energizes me so my euphoria and empathy are put to better use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpayne View Post
    Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
    so.... NO
    Sounds like somebody has an opiate tolerance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpayne View Post
    Kratom is cool and works well for withdrawals, but is NOTHING compared to Hydrocodone, and Honestly I'd rather have Tramadol than Kratom,
    so.... NO
    i'd take kratom over tramadol any day.

    imo tramadol sucks, the euphoria is weak and the SNRI side effects are annoying.

    to each is own i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amapola View Post
    That being said Kratom's euphoria is much more 'empathy' where I 'feel' and 'relate' and am in tune with the world.
    What?! When I take between 1-3 grams of UEI kratom I am so energetic and euphoric I feel like a racehorse. It is the only way I can describe the feeling. No way would I characterize ultimate enhanced indonesian kratom as 'empathetic' lol. I want to take on the world! Not sympathize with someone crying over spilt milk, lol. And the feeling UEI gives is intense! Not subtle at all. It is definitely stronger than Vicodin. I suspect that you guys are just getting crap. UEI is a better choice than Vicodin. Not sure where some of you guys are coming from.
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    In my experience a good dose of a kratom extract/enhanced leave for someone with no kratom tolerance can provide a stronger high with a stimulating come up then great nodding full body and head high. Hydrocodone can be more euphoric but it's less broad, narrower. But kratom tolerance goes up very fast and turns the high very mild. After using kratom six days in a row, I can take 5 grams of 15x extract (comparable to 75 grams raw leaf) and just feel a mellow buzz not much stronger then a chamomile and green tea combo.
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    Hydro for the win by a long shot. I do feel euphoria from Kratom, but it is nowhere close to hydro (assuming no tolerance) especially if your hydro is combined with a beer or two. Plus the dose needed to get a good kratom buzz is close to the overdose amount. Kratom overdose sucks ass. Dizziness, headache, tightness in eyes and horrible, horrible nausea.
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    I`m glad i came across this thread, cuz as someone with a high opiate tolerance i was curious of the effects of kratom. In my area, i know it`s sold in the head shop. But it always comes down to me spending my last dime [ ] on H, so i have nvr had the chance to compare it to anything i`ve tried. Hopefully, when i have the common sense to stop by there, and save the $ thats needed to buy it, i`ll be able to do my own compare & contrast. I`d sure enjoy some right now, as i`ve been w/d since yesterday a.m. when i woke up. Been taking tramadol and neurontin to fight off the demons. Does anyone else out there smoke cigs and when they take tramadol, it makes them taste like shit?! I dont understand why it happens....i do not enjoy that side effect whatsoever!
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    Kratom can theoretically give more euphoria than heroin, too, if you don't specify what the doses are. I'm sure 5-6 g of good kratom will provide more euphoria than 1 mg of H. Oh and nice work bumping the 2 year old thread
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    It is all dependent on tolerance.

    If you are tolerant to anything past maximum codeine dosages, kratom is going to be quite cost prohibitive.

    Enhanced kratom is nothing more than kratom fortified by more kratom extract. This again is cost prohibitive.

    Hydrocodone has kratom beat... It has the qualities most opiate users look for... Potency, quality with no variations, and ok price...

    With kratom you are paying premium price for mostly sub-standard products (if you got the moneys go for it)... Kratom is not stored properly most of the times and people do not use it efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychedelic Jay View Post
    It is all dependent on tolerance.

    If you are tolerant to anything past maximum codeine dosages, kratom is going to be quite cost prohibitive.

    Enhanced kratom is nothing more than kratom fortified by more kratom extract. This again is cost prohibitive.

    Hydrocodone has kratom beat... It has the qualities most opiate users look for... Potency, quality with no variations, and ok price...

    With kratom you are paying premium price for mostly sub-standard products (if you got the moneys go for it)... Kratom is not stored properly most of the times and people do not use it efficiently.
    PLease explain.

    I store my kratom in 4oz mason jars which are kept in a safe. I'm at the point where 2 teaspoons of kratom will give me as good if not better euphoria than 20mg hydro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Eyes View Post
    PLease explain.

    I store my kratom in 4oz mason jars which are kept in a safe. I'm at the point where 2 teaspoons of kratom will give me as good if not better euphoria than 20mg hydro.
    Before it gets to you there is very little climate control on a lot of products... I'm talking about after they harvest the plants...

    Good for you using mason jars though.

    You are still not very tolerant to opiates at just 20 mg of hydrocodone. And it's a pretty good bet you spent well over 10 times the price on the equipotent amount of kratom.
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    Yeah, if 20mg of hydrocodone gets you off you really have no place in this discussion. And P Jay just said, you're likely spending much more on the Kratom.... But whatever works for you man, enjoy your high :-)
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    They're very different types of euphoria in my experience. Hydrocodone is more of an intense, empathetic high. Kratom is kind of the same just less intense and no matter how much Kratom you take you can't reach the levels of a high dose Hydrocodone high.
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    Threads like this never go anywhere good.

    "___ opiate is better than ___ opiate."

    "No it's not!"

    "Yes it fuckin' is!"

    "I slam 40 bags of heroin every day, and that makes me an expert on opiates. This shit sucks!"

    "You're a drug addict so your opinion doesn't count!"

    Blah. Everyone reacts different to drugs. High doses of kratom (or low doses of the concentrates) can be as potent and euphoric as hydrocodone or oxy for me. For ME. I also enjoy codeine and tramadol to a lesser extent. Some people are addicted to loperamide. YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Melon View Post
    Yeah, if 20mg of hydrocodone gets you off you really have no place in this discussion. And P Jay just said, you're likely spending much more on the Kratom.... But whatever works for you man, enjoy your high :-)
    How do you figure? The way I see it I fit in perfectly this discussion, people who don't get euphoria from kratom have no place in this discussion. The OP gets euphoria from kratom so obviously his opiate tolerance isn't too high and 20mg hydro doesn't really get me off anymore, I get a very mild body high and that's only if I don't do it more than once every couple weeks. Kratom on the other hand will give me similar effects (sometimes better) doing it twice a week and I can get the magic back by taking a week of so off which is something I can't do with true opiods.

    I've been taking hydro/oxycodone at least once a month for a year and a half and I have no idea how much it takes to truly give me opiate bliss. The most I've every tried was 20mg oxy and for whatever reason I didn't get much from it. I take my opiates and kratom with weed so I'm all about the synergy between the two and I try not to chase the high as much as I can which so far I've been pretty successful at doing so.

    As for cost...hydrocodone isn't readily available where I live (I can find oxy easier) and dose per dose kratom is 1/5 the cost.
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    They way I see it is. Euphoria is strictly attached to tolerance with opiate/opioids.

    If you want long term usage Kratom is not a viable means to get high. It is great for withdrawal on the other hand.

    Pure cheaper, more potent, more refined opiates are more viable for long term usage.

    You will get to the point with kratom that it is very inconsistent, especially with it's cost. Hydrocodone will never have this problem.
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    I agree that once tolerance gets to the point of needing 8+ grams to get anything other than relief kratom could get quite expensive especially if you're a daily to semi daily user.
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