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    Smoking embalming fluid??? Not PCP, embalming fluid. 
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    So I haven't shot dope in a couple weeks, but happen to be friends with one of my dealers all of a sudden. Like we kick it on the phone, go to the casino together, it's weird but anyway, we are sitting in my car in the hood out front of his house and his cousin and 3 girls all get out of this truck and in to a car. His cousin didn't even recognize us. So I said wassup with your cousin. He said his dumb ass is smoking them dippers again. I said what, dust? He said naw man, embalming fluid. I said no you mean PCP. He swears they are smoking cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid.

    I've heard PCP has embalming fluid in it as a rumor never confirmed but can you get high smoking embalming fluid?

    In prison we smoked motrin and it got us high. I know smoking certain shit will give you different buzzes but do people really smoke embalming fluid?
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    i call bullshit on smoking motrin and getting high, placebo maybe
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Dopefiend View Post
    i call bullshit on smoking motrin and getting high, placebo maybe
    ok, I admit. I was bored and figured I would make up a complete lie like that to impress strangers on the internet.


    Anyway, anyone with a brain larger than a pecan ever heard of smoking embalming fluid?
     

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    EDIT: I should've stated this as a hypothesis rather than as a firm conclusion, since evidence is lacking and the answer far from obvious:
    Smoking embalming fluid (i.e. formaldehyde + other solvents) does get you high all by itself, from what I've heard/read.

    There is apparently disagreement about whether it's a real thing or just a slang term for PCP that gets confused as a real thing. The people I know who claimed to do it also claimed it was real on its own. Just not very fun or good for you. Just like loperamide, if people say anything they are going to start saying it is really stupid to believe this. but i don't think that's obvious at all.

    I'm not sure why it is so frequently mixed with PCP - I guess the effects are similar. Friends have told me it lasts longer. Where I've been people did know about it, but it wasn't a real popular thing among people I knew. Cigarettes dipped in that (with or without PCP, I believe) used to be called "wickie sticks" in Chicago, "sherm" (sp?) in Los Angeles. Mixed with weed, "fry," "wet," etc. In Chicago, in the ghetto, there were always people all jacked up rumored to have screwed their brains with smoking formaldehyde. (Supposedly because it's a cheaper high than actual pcp.)
    I don't buy the motrin thing really doing much, but do explain what happened. I wouldn'ta believed imodium killed heroin withdrawal if I hadn't done it.

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    Note: Wikipedia's "sherm stick" entry basically claims that embalming fluid is just slang for PCP and it doesn't do anything on its own. I don't think that's correct. Google and you find all kinds of other sources claiming otherwise, including law enforcment, news articles, etc. (not that those are always the most reliable information about drugs!).
    Use the search engine here and you'll find a number of threads on BL. The disagreement has been played out in these as well:
    * http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=524595
    * http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=196057
    I have no direct experience, but no doubt people will start chiming in with their own experiences.
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    We crushed the motrin and rolled it with tobacco. It made you dizzy and in a fog for about 15-20 minutes. I ended up in the infirmary because I had a ton of gas in my body, like waking up from anethesia. Like pain and all in my back and shoulders. Definitely wasn't worth the high. Didn't happen to anyone else, the gas that is, just me.
     

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    Smoking actual embalming fluid is not going to do anything but make you ill and possibly kill you.
     

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    I think they are smoking PCP and think they are smoking embalming fluid. I haven't smoked that nasty shit in over a decade but we used to get the vials of liquid in North Philly and dip our cigarettes in it and that's what he described they were doing. Perception is reality. Tell someone it is embalming fluid, they believe, they are smoking embalming fluid if you ask them.
     

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    From a lot of the posts I've read elsewhere (not talking about the posts here, so far), people say that this is impossible and you have to be an idiot to consider it possible. But I don't see why based on the explanations I've read. I don't care one way or another what the answer is, but I do want to hear a reasonable answer. (For example, if it is a solvent that evaporates completely, that would be reason to think it can't be smoked at all -- hallucinogen or not.)

    Some people do claim it's real, including some apparently reasonable -- or at least serious -- sources. E.g. here is the Department of Justice, which isn't the authority on truth, but presumably they do have employees who aren't stupid, maybe even some physicians, chemists, and/or biologists:

    "Embalming fluid is a compound of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol (ethyl alcohol), and other solvents. Embalming fluid reportedly produces a hallucinogenic effect and causes the cigarette to burn more slowly, potentially resulting in a prolonged high."
    -- http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs11/12208/index.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    I think they are smoking PCP and think they are smoking embalming fluid. ... Perception is reality. Tell someone it is embalming fluid, they believe, they are smoking embalming fluid if you ask them.
    ^I figure that's probably correct, at least most of the time, but wouldn't conclude that it's always true, at least not without some more explanation.

    EDIT: Another plausible source. Note, this news story is specifically about a guy who smoked PCP with embalming fluid. But some of the sources reported on in the story seem to claim embalming fluid does have effects of its own (it is unclear exactly what they are saying):
    While police don't track the recreational use of embalming fluid, a legal substance, local health-care officials say they are seeing more cases of the substance being mixed with drugs for a hallucinogenic - and often violent - high. Local emergency rooms are on pace to handle twice the number of embalming fluid cases as a year ago."
    --ILLEGAL DRUG USERS DIP INTO EMBALMING FLUID.
    The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY) Article date: 8/4/2009
    http://-- http://www.highbeam.com/do...205012891.html
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    Okay I'm starting to think the evidence in favor of the "embalming fluid is REAL" hypothesis is outweighing the "NOT REAL" hypothesis. Here is the BBC News, which is not prone to putting out fake news stories:
    "Recreational drug users in the US are using embalming fluid to get a high - even though it is highly dangerous and can make them violent and psychotic.
    Research has found that the use of embalming fluid is becoming increasingly popular among young people who are searching for new drug experiences. ...
    The most common method is to dip a tobacco or marijuana cigarette in the embalming fluid, then dry it before smoking it. ...
    Scientists from the Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse interviewed 20 users from the Houston area. ...
    They reported that the effects of embalming fluid included visual and auditory hallucinations, euphoria, a feeling of invincibility and increased pain tolerance. The high lasts from six hours to three days.

    However, the drug also produced feeling of anger, forgetfulness and paranoia."
    The story also says the following, which suggests that, although the effects are real, the formaldehyde is probably mixed with stuff like PCP at least most of the time:
    "The samples from the street that have been analysed have also been found to contain PCP, an anaesthetic that was dropped by hospitals after it was found to induce hallucinations. It is this component that is probably responsible for the users' high."

    Saturday, 28 July, 2001. "Drug users turn to embalming fluid"
    -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1459973.stm
    I don't think the evidence is overwhelming, since drug news has historically been unreliable and biased in favor of hysterical misinformation, but it seems quite plausible that at least some people are really doing this.
     

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    Off topic a little but I do not see what people see in PCP. That stuff just made me like a zombie. It also gave me very violent criminal fantasies that if given the right situation I may of acted upon. It definitely wasn't a fun drug from my experience.
     

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    jesus christ!!!!! moticians can barely stand to inhale embalming fluid 10 feet away ,its HIGHLY carcinogenic ,u guys need to install a slap button for people like this that reaches out and smacks the shit outta them

    you got high off motrin ,man im glad u didnt get ahold of banana peels or tea bags WOW
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HYDRO_CHRONIC View Post
    you got high off motrin ,man im glad u didnt get ahold of banana peels or tea bags WOW
    Why the wow? I don't get it. It's jail, it's full of junkies that want some kind of high. Those that never been might not understand but it is what it is. Jailhouse wine tastes like shit but we drank that too. WOW! HOLY SHIT!
     

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    I've heard of people dipping joints in embalming fluid. shit can kill you though
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by lozgod View Post
    Why the wow? I don't get it. It's jail, it's full of junkies that want some kind of high. Those that never been might not understand but it is what it is. Jailhouse wine tastes like shit but we drank that too. WOW! HOLY SHIT!
    I'm with you. People who wanna get high will smoke all kinda shit! In jail I might even smoke embalming fluid -- definitely a worse idea than smoking motrin, maybe even deserving of a smack button! Speaking of "smack buttons," gotta go do something else for a few minutes...
     

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    lol @ smoking ibuprofen
     

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    Embalming fluid is toxic. It's meant to stop cells from growing. Ingest it and your cells will stop growing. It's not hallucinogenic nor commonly sold (except by people who erroneously believe inhaling something that will blind you is a great plan).
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by sekio View Post
    Embalming fluid is toxic.
    Quote Originally Posted by darkvein View Post
    shit can kill you though
    Definitely. I do believe a good number of people smoke it (whether alone or mixed with PCP), but that does not make it even remotely safe. Everyone seems to agree it's highly carcinogenic
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGsherm7272 View Post
    lol @ smoking ibuprofen
    It was stupid. It made me sick as fuck but did give a weird almost drunk like buzz. When I went to the infirmary I got treated like shit by the prison doctor and the CO's just wanted to know who was passing it out. Jail infirmaries suck. I haven't been to prison in a long time and hope to never go back but when I said I was smoking motrin and started having pains in my back and shoulders (again it was gas in my body) they immediately went to well you shouldn't of been trying to get hi, who gave it to you. Snitching would of got me killed of course so I wouldn't say and they said well if you ain't helping us we ain't helping you and took me back to my cell.
     

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    Smoking formaldehyde will not get you high. I bet a lot of those articles were actually about PCP or a similar substance, not embalming fluid.

    Hopefully if someone does try smoking actual embalming fluid, they use formalin which at least doesn't have volatile solvents in it as it is just an aqueous solution of formaldehyde.

    And smoking ibuprofen will not get you high. Maybe the oxygen deprivation will give you a 'buzz', but there is no feasible reason why a COX inhibitor would get you high.

    This thread is making my brains explode.
     

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    People were doing what they th embalming fluid to get high a lot at one time. It was a plot element in one or two episodes of Six Feet Under. Filled with class one carcinogens and a toxicological buffet I'd advise against doing it even if it did somehow get someone a little disoriented. Many times ppl thought they were doing embalming fluid but were doing PCP. Here is erowid on that >>> http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/pcp/pcp_info7.shtml
     

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    What Mr Blonde said

    also, don't quote law enforcement as "sources", they get their information from the same people that think they're smoking embalming fluid in the first place.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blonde View Post
    Smoking formaldehyde will not get you high. I bet a lot of those articles were actually about PCP or a similar substance, not embalming fluid.

    Hopefully if someone does try smoking actual embalming fluid, they use formalin which at least doesn't have volatile solvents in it as it is just an aqueous solution of formaldehyde.

    And smoking ibuprofen will not get you high. Maybe the oxygen deprivation will give you a 'buzz', but there is no feasible reason why a COX inhibitor would get you high.

    This thread is making my brains explode.
    I have nothing to gain from lying about getting a buzz from smoking the motrin in prison. I am also not speaking from a third party perspective. I did it and know what happened but will say oxygen deprivation would be a good way to describe the buzz. Head was very foggy, was a little disillusional, etc. Maybe that was it but it was a regular Friday night thing for people so it definitely had an effect.
     

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    motrin is not a active narcotic ,taking somthing that is legal that isnt getting u high orally will not get u high just cause u add heat and inhale it ....i think BL needs to have a interview before adding new people

    do your research son ,have no idea how people started calling it embalming fluid but its PCP ill say it again ITS FUCKING PCP PCP PCP PCP

    im tapping the smack button like a motha
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HYDRO_CHRONIC View Post
    do your research son ,have no idea how people started calling it embalming fluid but its PCP ill say it again ITS FUCKING PCP PCP PCP PCP
    "Do your research" -- that's exactly what I did, gathered what evidence is readily available, even though it is not always very high quality, direct evidence.
    It is reasonable to debate the quality of the evidence, and like I said I don't think it's conclusive one way or another and none of the evidence above is particularly strong. I'm interested in the evidence in either direction, as I've said in my first post, since I'm truly not invested one way or the other whether embalming fluid is a "real drug." I do happen to be invested in logic and the scientific method, just based on my personal background.
    If you accept logic as the guide to reason, then I think gleaning what evidence you can is better than simply saying "PCP" four times fast (actually five). How about this: Embalming fluid, embalming fluid, embalming fluid, embalming fluid, embalming fluid,embalming fluid, embalming fluid. There, I said embalming fluid more times than you said PCP. Does that mean I "win"?
    If no one is really interested in an evidence-based answer, then I'll exit the discussion, but again, if there is actual evidence (or some logical explanation) against the "smoking formaldehyde" hypothesis, I'm open to it, since I've seen this debate before on bluelight, but never seen any real justification for either position.
    A simple google search shows a great deal of evidence that would be relevant, and it's not like you need to have an MD or PhD to find and use it. Not trying to bash anybody, but this is starting to go the same way as all previous embalming fluid threads (and most loperamide threads): substituting opinion for reason.
     

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    Minimally, it is clear that people do smoke embalming fluid-dipped cigarettes and marijuana. What remains unclear to me (and researchers) is whether and how often it is smoked alone, as opposed to mixed with PCP. If people believe it works, it seems highly plausible that some people would sell it and consume it alone, even if they are mistaken about the effects.
    Here are two reports.

    The second suggests that embalming fluid is indeed smoked, but almost excluvely as an additive to PCP.

    The first suggests that formaldehyde/embalming fluid has psychoactive effects of its own, but it is very hard to tell for sure, since the researchers are studying people have smoked it outside the laboratory, so they cannot control for the formaldehyde & PCP content of the smoke. (What university Institutional Review Board would approve such a laboratory experiment?):

    Marceaux et al. 2008. "Neuropsychological effects of formaldehyde use." Journal of Psychoactive Drugs.Formaldehyde is ... a well known neurotoxin which has recently become popular among substance abusers for its rapid onset euphoria, availability, and low cost; it is known on the street as "wet" or "fry." However, the neuropsychological and cognitive effects of formaldehyde are not well known....
    Inhalation of industrial formaldehyde has been shown to cause exposed individuals to have a decrease in performance, lack of concentration, loss of memory, disturbed sleep, impaired balance, variations in mood, and irritability (Wilbur et al. 1999)....

    EFFECTS OF INTENTIONAL EXPOSURE
    Formaldehyde is a known toxin that has become popular among drug users; in its various forms, it is known on the street as "wet" or "fry." Formaldehyde embalming fluid is legal to purchase and possess and is easily accessible; individuals can obtain it through retail sale and staff of morgues, hospitals, and funeral homes (Klein & Kramer 2004). From these resources, formaldehyde is available to those who want to use or sell it for its euphoric and hallucinogenic effects....
    This embalming fluid is often laced with PCP (Elwood 1998; Holland et al. 1998). The term fry will be used in the majority of this article in reference to this specific use of formaldehyde. The symptoms of fry intoxication are nearly identical to those seen following PCP use....
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n31462573/
    The other:
    ..., increasingly there have been reports of adolescents who use marijuana or tobacco cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid. Unfortunately, most of these reports involve young people coming for drug treatment, many of whom were incoherent. The purpose of this report is to increase the knowledge level of embalming fluid by synthesizing the literature on the subject; reporting on interviews with law enforcement officials, funeral directors, and other community members; and interviewing 20 Houston adolescents who use embalming fluid. The findings that emerge from this investigation are that the embalming fluid compound found on the street contains PCP (phencyclidine) and that adolescents do not know this.
    -- "Fry:" A Study of Adolescents' Use of Embalming Fluid with Marijuana and Tobacco. Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse Research Brief. 1998.
    http://www.tcada.state.tx.us/researc...ations/fry.pdf
    I think the evidence is overwhelming that people DO smoke embalming fluid-laced tobacco & marijuana. What's unclear to me is the degree to which the psychoactive effects can be attributed to PCP alone, or whether embalming fluid adds effects.
     

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