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Benzos ZOPICLONE Vs ZOLPIDEM - WHICH DO YOU THINK WORKS BETTER ?

IMO they're both crap. Zopiclone is worse because of that disgusting taste it leaves in your mouth (regardless of ROA). They are weak compared to other sedative-hypnotics and don't give me any euphoria, muscle relaxation or anxiolysis. Diazepam and temazepam are better in every way.
If you want a real knockout pill, try Soma... that stuff is extremely powerful for anybody who can metabolise it well.
 
Yep tamazepam

i get get the norminsons eggs 20 mgs. My fav benzo. Hard to come by though. Treat benzo.

btw I have never had a bad taste from the Z's . They just don't hit enough gaba receptors.
 
Mad benzo head said:
Yep tamazepam

i get get the norminsons eggs 20 mgs. My fav benzo. Hard to come by though. Treat benzo.
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Tems are great. It's the most tightly controlled benzo in my country due to rampant and widespread abuse and addiction from the 80s to the early 2000s.
I rate diazepam and temazepam equally, although temazepam does have a warmer feeling to it.

btw I have never had a bad taste from the Z's . They just don't hit enough gaba receptors.
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You're lucky. It's probably something in your genetic makeup. For example: PTC tastes intensely bitter to most people, but other people say it's tasteless.
If you could taste zopiclone, it's absolutely foul. GABAergics increase my appetite and appreciation of food, but I can't eat on zopiclone because it makes everything taste like shit.
Zopiclone is excreted in the saliva, which means the taste is impossible to avoid (my mother had IV zopiclone in hospital and complained of a nasty taste).

Totally agree about them not hitting enough GABA receptors. I don't see how anybody could find any recreational value in them.
 
The serequal n clonaz should be more than enough to zzzzz
 
I find that if I tune into the Ambien I get better results. I try to take it at times that I feel it will sync well with whatever else I'm taking.I have been on Ambien for years, and it still works. I usually take it earlier than bed to get some of the more enjoyable side effects out of it.This afternoon, I decided to eat 30 mg of Ambien and go to the library. It gives me a little buzz and some light shape distortion. The only other Z-drug I tried was zaleplon and it didn't do anything for me. IMHO, the zaleplon didn't touch the Ambien.I would like to try some prescribed benzo sleeping pills, but I am already on 3mg clonazepam a day. I don't know if the doc will go for it
 
Say the ambien doesn't work any more.

i don't understand how you lot get such prescriptions man.. You literally have to suck the doctors off for a few diazepam.
 
benzico said:
Right ive been taking zolpidem(Ambien) for three years now, perscribed by my doctor- 20mg per night so i picked up 56 10mg tabs every 28 days. been changed couple weeks ago to an equal dose of Zopiclone(zimovane), 15mg per night. Im liking the zopiclone a lot better in every aspect in helping me to sleep and stay asleep, but ive also had my clonazepam changed for lorazepam, which i was not happy about as clonazepam is the best benzo in my veiw but ive also been put onto 400mg per night of quetiapine which is a heavy duty antiphycotic. Now i have the option if i like to go back onto the zolpidem if i do get on with the zopiclone but im not sure if the zopiclone is better than ambien cas of the quetiapine an fact i have only just started taking this new sleeper and all meds work good at start i just want to know long term which will be better and what you guys think is the best out of the two for long term use?:\
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I use to take 400mg a day of Seroquel for years man ,and let me tell you I was a bit dumb ,and didn't know there would be any WD ,and quit Cold turkey ,and it was the worse WD I have ever had in my life worse the Banzos ,and Opiates by far that I have also WD from many many times . I was puking blood ,and having sizures when I quit Seroquel CT . I wouldn't take that shit now if someone paid me as for zopiclone and zolpidem I don't like either one ,but I do love Eszopiclone AKA Lunesta a good bit better .
 
Mad benzo head said:
Say the ambien doesn't work any more.

i don't understand how you lot get such prescriptions man.. You literally have to suck the doctors off for a few diazepam.
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Man this is nothing I was getting 240 30mg roxies ,and 90 8mg hydromorphones ,and 90 1mg xanax for years every month ,and would still be getting them now if I didn't want to get clean . I am now on subs though .
 
At the guy who said how do you get such and such. Well for difficult to endure mental pain, a diagnosis of GAD/Panic Attacks and Bipolar helps. You cannot take antidepressants when bipolar, Paxil made me able not to sleep for a week and violent after a 4 months on it, and the .25mg xanax 4 times a day script with it didn't help. So getting benzos for me is easy as fuck, I literally decide my dose and I have been stabilized at 20mg valium, 1mg xanax a day. He understood we couldn't taper me off completely (I'm on valium because of a previously much more difficult to stop cold turkey and at the dose I was, really dangerous to your actual life if tapered too fast. But when the original 55mg dose of valium, then 50, 45 and such and when I fell to 15mg, real life stuff was scaring me shitless and I was back at like how I was before benzos even if still on benzos. So a couple valium for the GAD and insomnia and 1mg xanax for when I'm about to break shit in a rage (one of the features of my panic attacks is that I express them in a violent way, people's voices who are causing me to become angry become just extremely irritating noise and I snap and I also typical panic attacks, but less so than before, my life quality has improved a lot since 3 years and I'm glad that my medical file doesn't have a IV ABUSER OF NARCOTICS on it even if I'm on bupe, since I got on opiates to start with for a real issue, a chronic one. The clinic has my whole file ready for transfer to the pain clinic when I taper the bupe away. I hope to get what I was content with before the no more Oxycontin for a while disaster (the 2 kind of IR oxycodone pills were not recalled or whatever, but my guy stopped getting them too.

A generic 30mg oxycontin would have done the trick eternally, even what my jaw specialist and neurologist agreed upon regimen would be fine if i can ever get something out of codeine again, when I was on 2x200mg CodeineContins with an oxycodan 5mg (percodan generic, no real percodan here) for breakthrough pain. I was just fine with that, I was able to shoot up a Dilaudid 4 or 8 and not become a full fledged addict, not doing that for a whole year etc. I always had my more than enough treatment. When the treatment ceased, my prefered dose was a 20 + a 10 oxycontin well chewed and with a gulp of mountain dew the guy would sell me. Never needed more than 30mg of oxycodone (IR or turned IR). Compared to the insane tolerance I have now because of that goddamn bupe, miracle drug my ass.
 
Speed King said:
I find that if I tune into the Ambien I get better results. I try to take it at times that I feel it will sync well with whatever else I'm taking.I have been on Ambien for years, and it still works. I usually take it earlier than bed to get some of the more enjoyable side effects out of it.This afternoon, I decided to eat 30 mg of Ambien and go to the library. It gives me a little buzz and some light shape distortion. The only other Z-drug I tried was zaleplon and it didn't do anything for me. IMHO, the zaleplon didn't touch the Ambien.I would like to try some prescribed benzo sleeping pills, but I am already on 3mg clonazepam a day. I don't know if the doc will go for it
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Complete reverse for me, the now deceased Starnoc (what Sonata was sold as here) kicks the hell out of Sublinox(Ambien), and our Sublinox only comes in 10mg dosages and are made to hit fast sublingually. They taste so horrible I don't who thought it was a good idea. Bring me back my fucking Zaleplon. Is Sonata still sold in the US? Is there generics for z-drugs yet?. We got generics for zopiclone only, since zaleplon wasn't allowed to stay long enough. Man they removed it because snorting the content of the tiny yellow 5mg gelcaps (there were 10's too, never had em though) was so amazingly psychedelic and you'd feel so content and then lights out. It imitated the way I want to die, at home with my chronic pain opiates 'round the clock, and considering the familial osteoarthritis is starting to kick in more and more, first started to feel symptoms a bit before I hit 30, and now in my early 30's, i can def feel it in my lower back, it's insane, the pain start at the bottom of the spine and thighs up to under my shoulder blades sometimes when walking long enough.

As for a sleeper, ask for a .5 or 1mg reduction of clonazepam and ask for 5mg of Nitrazepam, or 10, but I'd suggest asking for the 5's first. Nitrazepam is the best hypnotic sleeping pill we have, it works as good as temazepam, but temazepam is out of your body after 4 hours, so you actually get some REM sleep with temaz. But I'm willing to overlook that if it's to feel the complete serenity that Nitrazepam procures. Although, I'm not sure if it's still in the US, I know a couple american-only benzos were removed in the mid '00s, like prazepam and something else. If it's removed I'd ask for some ProSom (estazolam), that's an American only benzo I would put down a brown (no not take a dump, a brown in canada means a bill of a certain denomination) for just 10 of them to try it and it's indications are for sleeping only. The name kinda says so ProSomnia ;)
 
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Docs seem to be starting to steer clear of ZDrugs here in aus due to a few unfortunate incidents
 
Well, it's not really a shame, they're carcinogens at doses not much higher than the pills of the 3 z-drugs on the market. I guess it's why all the awesome looking research z-drugs that mostly only have research names with awesome profiles for anxiety drugs that are nowhere as dangerous to stop cold turkey haven't been looked more into.

Now they're doing that with drugs in the class of flumazenil, the "antidote" to benzo overdoses, also used when a patient submits to rapid unconscious ultra-rapid benzo tapers. A lot of drugs in flumazenil's class have very good profiles, with drugs as anxiolytic as bromazepam, valium and xanax with none of the neurologic effects of regular benzos, which would make them excellent new drugs to become available, i say give it 20 years, benzos might become the barbs of our times, although I was scripted Seconal in the early 2000's, but only very small amounts for performance anxiety (next day at 8am college exams driving me mad with insomnia and fear or failure, I loved Seconal so much, the day my doc said he couldn't script me the 15 seconals the following year due to the removal later this year, was switched to Placidyl, used in the same fashion, 15 750mg green gel-pills, but only for 2 years, HC removed it to then, and then Z-Drugs became available and benzos are scripted a lot more in big cities for some reason, to get a 30x30mg temazepam script I would say that living in a student dorm, even though we had our own rooms, that were pretty large with a double bed, I was having trouble sleeping and not lying about it. So that's where I discovered my love for Starnoc aka Zaleplon. Only bought the script twice as z-drugs are not covered by gov insurance, none of em, even those who have generics like Zopiclone, the only other is practically brand new Still (Sublinox aka sublingual zolpidem).

They meant well when creating these z-drugs, but the fact they are carcinogenic at doses close to what the stronger pills (there's usually 2 dosages for each, but not Sublinox here, only 10mg). So I imagine using them regularly would increase chances of cancer.
 
Flubromazepam takes a while to kick in, but feels as awesome and very similar to nitrazepam. Nitrazepam being the king amongst all the benzos available in my country, I feel lucky enough to be able to get some 8mg flubpams. A lot more useful than flubromazolam, which lacks the great muscle relaxation and placid state flubromazepam puts me in.

So this month since I grabbed a shitload of flubromazolam 1mg gelcaps, I got some flubromazepam 8mg and something I never had yet, but am willing to have as it is will be useful when I decide to taper away, Diclazepam 2mg pills. The canadian dollar being suddenly really week, a GBP being close to double in value now, it made it so I didn't get as much as I wanted to, but the store I got it from is the only one with selling options that works for me.

As for z-drugs on the gray market, there is Pagoclone to be found, be my guest and try that if you can't obtain either the basic 3 z-drugs. I'll get some pharmaceutical quality baclofen powder for real cheap, internally, for when all these flubromazolam caps are gone, I don't think I'll be able to get any anymore, or if I do, it's gonna be those 0.25mg tablets....I'd rather know more about the good vendor who has 0.75 and 1.25mg tablets of flubromazolam.

From what I read Pagoclone is more of an anxiolytic than a sleep aid like the 3 official z-drugs. Well, maybe 2, I can't seem to get any american to tell me if they still have Sonata down there or if they got it in the UK or Australia too.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Complete reverse for me, the now deceased Starnoc (what Sonata was sold as here) kicks the hell out of Sublinox(Ambien), and our Sublinox only comes in 10mg dosages and are made to hit fast sublingually. They taste so horrible I don't who thought it was a good idea. Bring me back my fucking Zaleplon. Is Sonata still sold in the US? Is there generics for z-drugs yet?. We got generics for zopiclone only, since zaleplon wasn't allowed to stay long enough. Man they removed it because snorting the content of the tiny yellow 5mg gelcaps (there were 10's too, never had em though) was so amazingly psychedelic and you'd feel so content and then lights out. It imitated the way I want to die, at home with my chronic pain opiates 'round the clock, and considering the familial osteoarthritis is starting to kick in more and more, first started to feel symptoms a bit before I hit 30, and now in my early 30's, i can def feel it in my lower back, it's insane, the pain start at the bottom of the spine and thighs up to under my shoulder blades sometimes when walking long enough.

As for a sleeper, ask for a .5 or 1mg reduction of clonazepam and ask for 5mg of Nitrazepam, or 10, but I'd suggest asking for the 5's first. Nitrazepam is the best hypnotic sleeping pill we have, it works as good as temazepam, but temazepam is out of your body after 4 hours, so you actually get some REM sleep with temaz. But I'm willing to overlook that if it's to feel the complete serenity that Nitrazepam procures. Although, I'm not sure if it's still in the US, I know a couple american-only benzos were removed in the mid '00s, like prazepam and something else. If it's removed I'd ask for some ProSom (estazolam), that's an American only benzo I would put down a brown (no not take a dump, a brown in canada means a bill of a certain denomination) for just 10 of them to try it and it's indications are for sleeping only. The name kinda says so ProSomnia ;)
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Sonata is still in the US. I tried a one month script and I didn't like it. I felt it did nothing for me. Maybe I didn't give it much of a chance. I had Lunesta once and it knocked me out. I think the best one I ever had was Halcion/triazolam. That was the best stuff I ever had a chance to try.
 
Speed King said:
Sonata is still in the US. I tried a one month script and I didn't like it. I felt it did nothing for me. Maybe I didn't give it much of a chance. I had Lunesta once and it knocked me out. I think the best one I ever had was Halcion/triazolam. That was the best stuff I ever had a chance to try.
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Was it 5mg or 10mg Sonata? Did they come as capsules with powder inside? That's how they were in Canada, during the 3 year or so they were available, bastards removed em. What you call Lunesta is unique to the US, cos it's only one isomer of zopiclone which is Imovane here. Yeah Imovane made me sleep well but that OUT OF THIS WORLD METALLIC TASTE, that I would even wake up feeling like I sweated it out of my body. And they were the 7.5mg only, not the 15. So yeah, apparently one isomer of zopiclone is useless because you guys got eszopiclone (Lunesta). I'd try it if I could, just to see if there is a difference, if the pills themselves have that ungodly taste etc.

And well now, Halcion, last year was the last year a large generic company, the only one who still did make it, Apotex, they had their Apo-Triazo 0.125mg and 0.25mg removed. It's in my province's monthly pdf of available meds and their prices since last september. Yet one generic company I never heard of makes 0.25mg pills, still, A&A Pharms, no idea what province still allows it. But I'm glad I was given a small handful of (maybe 6) 0.25mg Halcions, they were perfect and kinda euphoric like I found Zaleplon to be. By the way, the zaleplon powder in the caps was water soluble. I remember eating one then getting curious...what if...I open the tiny 5mg yellow gelcap, drop the powder on a cd case, snort the tiny line. 8( It was like a very euphoric lsd trip + nitrous + well the benzo effect, because as I lay on my bed in my dorm room (hooray for single dorm rooms) fell asleep with the light still open, it would make a kind of yellow glow that was euphoric to stare at (the light bulb) then, lights out. Perfect for those having trouble falling asleep, not those who wake up through the night. Like Halcion, Halcion's effects are gone in not even 2 hours and it has a crappy oral BA of 52%. At the time I was given some Halcion, it was during the time I had convinced
my then GP (who retired on me without warning and now am in a bit of trouble) to give me a script for 600mg Tagamet horsepills, I knew there was 800mg ones but I didn't push my luck.And he had no issue scripting it to me. So every benzo or opiate that's affected by tagamet, for 12 months they were boosted, no idea if it boost Halcion's BA.

Oh well, goodbye Halcion, there is stuff that came up just in time to replace you online :)

quick version : I verified, US Sonatas are gelcaps (is there generics now?, I'm not even sure if you have Ambien generics yet and it's getting quite old of a drug now). Snorting zaleplon was where it shined.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Was it 5mg or 10mg Sonata? Did they come as capsules with powder inside? That's how they were in Canada, during the 3 year or so they were available, bastards removed em. What you call Lunesta is unique to the US, cos it's only one isomer of zopiclone which is Imovane here. Yeah Imovane made me sleep well but that OUT OF THIS WORLD METALLIC TASTE, that I would even wake up feeling like I sweated it out of my body. And they were the 7.5mg only, not the 15. So yeah, apparently one isomer of zopiclone is useless because you guys got eszopiclone (Lunesta). I'd try it if I could, just to see if there is a difference, if the pills themselves have that ungodly taste etc.

And well now, Halcion, last year was the last year a large generic company, the only one who still did make it, Apotex, they had their Apo-Triazo 0.125mg and 0.25mg removed. It's in my province's monthly pdf of available meds and their prices since last september. Yet one generic company I never heard of makes 0.25mg pills, still, A&A Pharms, no idea what province still allows it. But I'm glad I was given a small handful of (maybe 6) 0.25mg Halcions, they were perfect and kinda euphoric like I found Zaleplon to be. By the way, the zaleplon powder in the caps was water soluble. I remember eating one then getting curious...what if...I open the tiny 5mg yellow gelcap, drop the powder on a cd case, snort the tiny line. 8( It was like a very euphoric lsd trip + nitrous + well the benzo effect, because as I lay on my bed in my dorm room (hooray for single dorm rooms) fell asleep with the light still open, it would make a kind of yellow glow that was euphoric to stare at (the light bulb) then, lights out. Perfect for those having trouble falling asleep, not those who wake up through the night. Like Halcion, Halcion's effects are gone in not even 2 hours and it has a crappy oral BA of 52%. At the time I was given some Halcion, it was during the time I had convinced
my then GP (who retired on me without warning and now am in a bit of trouble) to give me a script for 600mg Tagamet horsepills, I knew there was 800mg ones but I didn't push my luck.And he had no issue scripting it to me. So every benzo or opiate that's affected by tagamet, for 12 months they were boosted, no idea if it boost Halcion's BA.

Oh well, goodbye Halcion, there is stuff that came up just in time to replace you online :)

quick version : I verified, US Sonatas are gelcaps (is there generics now?, I'm not even sure if you have Ambien generics yet and it's getting quite old of a drug now). Snorting zaleplon was where it shined.
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I had the 10mg Sonata in capsule form. I never opened them. Maybe I didn't give it much of a chance. I do not believe we have Imovane in the US. As far as Halcion goes, it may only last a couple of hours, but I believe they knock you out hard enough, that you sleep well. I found them euphoric. I'm on Ambien at the moment and I'm wondering what I should ask for or switch to give my receptors a break. Maybe Lunesta ?
 
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