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Are philosophical debates just products of historical circumstance?

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I'm wondering how much the philosophical questions that are heated and popular (in any given civilization at any given time) are dependent on the historical circumstances faced by those people.

Philosophy often gets poo-pooed as 'ivory tower'. Many people I've met tend to assume that when we discuss philosophy, we're somehow stepping out of the everyday pragmatic world of mundane concerns, and escaping to a world of abstract fluff, with little bearing on 'the real world'. But what if it were precisely the opposite. What if the philosophical problems that bug people are motivated mostly by real-world things going on around them? If so, it seems that philosophizing is not escapism at all -- it's a product of deep concern over how the world around us is shaping up, and how this will affect us personally.

If so, that raises an interesting prospect for the resolution of philosophical debates that never fail to rile people up, but never seem to reach any resolution. Instead of striving harder for more penetrating inquiry into the question, we need to change something fundamental about how we live our lives and function as a society. And if we do this, the question will magically become somewhat moot, or at least a lot less interesting or seductive.

A good example is the debate among Westerners over Islam, and its (assumedly problematic) relationship to Western Civilization and values. The thing people tend to forget is that before the rise of modern day transportation and the (not accidentally) concurrent global trade in oil, few people even cared enough to even ask this question. Before the colonial era, even fewer cared!

Likewise, the debates over cultural relativism (Can one culture or civilization be objectively deemed superior to any other?) are a distinct product of the nuclear age. The prospect of vast swaths of the earth being capable of being wiping out in an instant suddenly made this philosophical issue incredibly germane.

I'm liable to think that the same property applies to the renewed debates over the existence of God or the supernatural, in the last decade. I tend to think this debate, which never seems to go anywhere, is a product of some kind of very tangible problem or threat perceived by many Westerners. In medical terms, it's symptomatic of a cultural illness, and the symptom (the debate) won't die down until whatever is causing the illness is removed. Personally, I suspect the culprit is a sharp clash between folk Western notions of self and what cutting edge brain scientists are telling us. I see this debate dying down if, for example, a popular thinker and writer emerges with a vision of the self that's at the same time spiritually fulfilling, easy to grasp, compatible with modern brain science, and wholly Western.

It's always struck me that the existence of God is a very minor debate among intellectually minded people in China and Japan. But other philosophical debates, such as practicality vs. giving free rein to human passion, rage far fiercer there than they do in the West. Different peoples at different historical junctures, different philosophical debates.

I wonder if maybe someday we'll look back on the things that really, really mattered to thinking people now, and realize that these concerns had their roots almost entirely with the historical concerns of the day.
 
as the famous Hegel quote goes... "so ist auch Philosophie ihre Zeit in Gedanken erfaßt"
 
We are products of our environment; we cannot have an original idea/though.
 
I agree that there are historically-determined debates that, whether popular or academic. However philosophy today is engaged with much the same questions (bar natural philosophy) as the ancients. There are themes which beg no answer but rather drive interlocutors to rationally defend their views, or be persuaded by others to change them.
 
Are philosophical debates just products of historical circumstance?

I'm partial to the belief that many (or even most) certainly are. However, consider the more culture-spanning considerations of metaphysics or fundamental questions of selfhood. Though the particulars often differ, interdividual variation in content and occurrence is far more scarce in these territories.

A good example is the debate among Westerners over Islam, and its (assumedly problematic) relationship to Western Civilization and values.

I would consider this debate more political or sociological than purely philosophical.

I'm liable to think that the same property applies to the renewed debates over the existence of God or the supernatural, in the last decade. I tend to think this debate, which never seems to go anywhere, is a product of some kind of very tangible problem or threat perceived by many Westerners.

Couldn't this be more readily attributed to a growing skepticism within a choice population, coupled with a series of academic opportunists (Hitchens, Dawkins) capitalizing upon and/or contributing to what has become a popular topic of concern? Also, to your other point regarding Muslim faith and Western civilization: many consider the New Atheism movement and recent anti-Islamic reactionism to be fairly cozy ideologies, as espoused by the work of Sam Harris, et al.
 
^ Yeah I bet our grandchildren will look back at the New Atheists as essentially a backlash to 9/11.
 
Yeah I bet our grandchildren will look back at the New Atheists as essentially a backlash to 9/11.

Lol true that. To extend this quasi-deterministic "philosophy as zeitgeist" approach, I wonder if most historical philosophical movements could be characterized chiefly as sociocultural or academic 'backlashes.'
 
Agreed, it will take more than the self-serving Scintism so often evoked by Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Dennet to dislodge either religion or the belief in the super-mundane.

Dawkins has singularly failed in applying his evolutionary theory outside of the realm of science itself, and Harris, though a great orator, is a mediocre philosopher. Hitchens is nothing more than a 'pugilist' with little understanding of the role of religion in societies.

New Atheism will go the way of communitarianism, a quasi-academic fad designed to excite young rebellious minds,
 
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Lol true that. To extend this quasi-deterministic "philosophy as zeitgeist" approach, I wonder if most historical philosophical movements could be characterized chiefly as sociocultural or academic 'backlashes.'

I commend your brevity, good sir. That's essentially the core of what I'm proposing.

If necessity is the mother of invention, might new philosophical movements or trends typically be the response to a real or perceived NEED to view the world differently?

For example, I've often toyed with the idea that the Japanese seeing aesthetic and spiritual value in the quiet, plain, and austere is a response to the hustle and bustle that's right up in their faces most of their mundane lives. Meanwhile the Tibetans, by contrast, find it transcendent to adorn their empty, lunar homeland with bright colors. I think that when people reach into the abstract, theoretical, and unseen, they're often fishing around for what's missing or needed in their ordinary lives.

I'd definitely like to hear from someone with a background in history and historiography. I have a feeling my idea might trip off their post-hoc-reasoning alarm.
 
I think before one can look at philosophies causal relationship with psycho-social issues one must at least enfore the dichotomy of
Philosophy = philosophy and natural philosophy (science) which gave way via the Renaissance and Enlightenment to philosophy tout court and natural philosophy (becoming science) This is a key historiographical element that should inform any debate on the history of philosophy.

The continued flourishing of philosophy despite the advent of the scientific method points to its resilience, resilient enough that in time it came to question the very basis of science and the scientific method itself via the philosophy of science. When maths delivered the axiomatic bedrock upon which science rests philosophy spawned a new branch, the philosophy of maths (meta-mathematics) again to challenge as it has always done our most basic assumptions.

Philosophy combines an ancient pedigree whilst remaining pliable enough to question emergent epistemologies, Metaphysics and ontology.
 
New Atheism will go the way of communitarianism, a quasi-academic fad designed to excite young rebellious minds

Despite my few misgivings, I sincerely hope not. On the whole, the distinction to be drawn here can be illustrated thusly: New Atheism is a rather unique movement in that it addresses (or reacts to) systems of belief that don't have the sound well-ratiocinated backing characteristic of other ancient traditions endemic to human society. For example, there is no broad modern movement 'in reaction' to the personal practice of the martial arts, for these disciplines are clear in their intent and transparent in their application as formal systems of teaching and learning, without the multitude of inherent confounds so common to religious ideation. And though many facets of their mental/spiritual conditioning techniques bear mystical underpinnings, the world's predominate martial arts are chiefly distinguishable from theistic religions by their conspicuous lack of compelled admission of nonfactual (or very poorly supported) and equally non-falsifiable 'truths' and presuppositions; their independence of strictly received wisdom and mythological texts; and the practitioners' freedom to exit stage left without fear of eternal hellfire or miserable millennia of reincarnation. While they may be tough, rigorous, and in some cases ethically questionable, martial arts are spared the rod of modern reactionary critique because there is, in a sense, not much to heavily criticize. Such is decidedly not the case with most world religions. Despite any complex theism that you or other thinkers might possess, most religious people are, by and large, being taken for utter fools by their churches and babyishly relying upon them for emotional solace and resolve in the false spiritual and intellectual certainty that they provide. Or they've just been brainwashed from birth. Or they're unable to even conceive of leaving what they've known for so long, despite their differences. I could go on.

While I see that New Atheism may in some cases be poorly executed or simply in bad taste, I do strongly believe that it has some merit as a social movement, and should not be casually dismissed as some contentious fad; for atheism itself is at least as old as religion, and it is my sincere belief that it will most certainly outlive it.
 
Perhps I should have made the distinction between New Atheism and atheism, the former being an intellectual movement that seeks to distance itself from the atheism of old...hence the 'New' suffix.

Ten years ago one couldn't take a graduate course in Political Philosophy without Amitai Etzioni (and acolytes)positing communitarianism as something new. As I said its influence in academia was short lived and though still a theory, with its champions it shows the historiagraphic nature of political philosophy into sharp relief.

Philosophy can be seen as both perennial, and fadish...which is why I feel it will morph and change over time as new subjects claim parts of its dominion, and new subjects arise upon which it will have something substantive to teach us.

As with all subjects it has its historically delineated movements or schools and I think this will continue to be the case accross the span of human enquiry.
 
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Each idea is just a small part of the big one; no matter what time, the human condition stays in its basic emotional state. What really matters is that its all just infinite variations of the same thing, only each takes their own paths to find it.
 
I think we can hardly even conceive how different many of our current debates would be in a different time frame.

I did think about the 'new aetheist' or as I sometimes call them, 'the evangelical atheists' in a consideration of time frames. The seventies it seemed people were mostly comfortable with a primarily secular society within the US. About 1980 the Moral Majority and the religious right became prominent. I read a claim I largely agree with that the early religious right was more a media creation than a reality. If a Methodists bishops conference or an Lutheran synod released a statement on something it tended to be page 32 section D, probably in the Sunday edition. If a single 'religious right' preacher said something kind of edgy it was page 1 or 2 and it was made out as though they were speaking for millions.

Anyways as the evangelical Christians became more and more vocal and pushing of religious litmus tests on things that were for many decades largely secular I think the set up the atmosphere that sort of required the new atheism. The new atheism did have an prophet in the seventies in Madeline Murray O'Hair. I kind of wonder if some of the ACLU getting Ten Commandment plaques pulled out of public parks was a setup to the vocalness and fiestiness of the religious right.

Regarding a lot of religious debate in the US I think it often comes down to get in those other guys face before they can trample us.

Anyways as I said I am probably mostly unable to conceive how many philosophical debates would have gone in another time. The fate/determinism vs freewill debate has probably been mostly the same except for newer data about genetics and neurobiology. I think it is our destiny to rehash that one for the majority of humanities existence.
 
I'm wondering how much the philosophical questions that are heated and popular (in any given civilization at any given time) are dependent on the historical circumstances faced by those people.

I think in most cases the answer is absolutely. Immigration is a good example. For instance people cite the fall of the roman empire(although often inaccurately) as being the fault of mass immigration and the fact that Rome was a multicultural society. Yes I have actually heard people say this.

The debate whether or not to legalize drugs in the states is another one. People cite references suicides and all kinds of other historic examples. So therefore yes people cite history or previous examples when debating issues.

A better example of a debate that is more philosophical in nature is that of religion and such. When Atheists or secularists cite there is no god many people quickly discredit them or altogether call them evil. I have heard the whole "questioning god is a slippery slope" because well, you know Hitler was an atheist or Stalin was an Atheist. (Although Hitler was Roman Catholic).

These are all examples of people citing history or how history plays a role in philosophical debates. In the issues we discuss now we almost HAVE to cite history. We do it cause we see history as a reference. Whether we have correct information or not.

Like "socialism and/or communism is bad, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOVIET UNION !!!"

I hope I am understanding your question.
 
Like "socialism and/or communism is bad, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOVIET UNION !!!"

I would consider this to be more of a political affirmation than a philosophic one. And while its topic of consideration is indeed inextricably linked to the 20th century zeitgeist within which 'communism' (or those acting under its presumed guise) played its most devastating hand, I think that the overwhelming majority of discussions regarding organized government and power structures are merely secondary offshoots of deeper philosophical questions. Ergo, it seems to me that the whole 'state socialism vs free-market capitalism' debate is less to the point than New Atheism or other sociocultural/academic movements.

As for another, more jaw-grinding historical "movement" - how about Objectivism guise!!!1!! :p:p:p:p:p
 
I believe that indeed, philosophical debate derives its structure largely from social context, this context situated in historical change (in terms of macro-social practices). Such change shapes thoroughly the genealogy of our philosophical ideas. However, we still have debates inherited from ancients, where nothing's really been resolved (perhaps most philosophical debates are like this). Eg, one can still take on Platonism or claim to follow Zhuangzi...hell, even Heraclitus. However, the development of philosophy also shapes social practices, and thus how history progresses. Eg, the propagation of types of Marxism shaped thoroughly the dynamics of the world political economy.

We should also remember that much of philosophy is socio-political, not just epistemology, ontology, and ethics.

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the development of philosophy also shapes social practices, and thus how history progresses

Agreed. We can't forget that many sociocultural/historical movements could be seen as direct outgrowths of the philosophical speculations upon which they were founded. While past actions do predictably elicit new thought, the inverse must be true as well.

We should also remember that much of philosophy is socio-political, not just epistemology, ontology, and ethics.

I only meant to highlight the salient distinction between philosophy as such and its direct consequences in other academic spectra (political theory, sciences, etc). Though they may significantly influence one another in a variety of ways, sociopolitics and philosophy are indeed separate fields of study.
 
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