Hello and an MDPV Question

Look at those worktops in the pictures. And I'm not trying to 'get' anything. I'd love all this to be legit. But I feel I have the right, in this forum, to raise doubts and concerns over the veracity of something that's leading to a lot of people in the UK possibly openly incriminating themselves.

Give up on the worktops. A child would know the difference between mahogany and oak. It's been verified by the moderators that I live in Central America, where mahogany is dirt cheap and oak completely unavailable. You can't even legally import oak into my country. All the countertops in my photos are clearly mahogany.

If you have concerns, why not privately voice them to the moderators. They are in a position to certainly verify if multiple accounts have been used. The general readership here is not in that position. Cluttering the thread with such speculation doesn't help any real inquiry that a few people here are actually doing.

I understand that your beliefs about what is going on here run counter to the thrust of this thread, but really, if you believed in creationism and that God created the world in 7 days, it wouldn't justify your going into a discussion on archaeology and attempting to warn everyone about the dangers of disbelieving God's word, or the dangers of following a false prophet who preaches that it took longer than 7 days. If you have real concerns, bring them up privately with the moderators, who know most of the facts, and then, if you don't get satisfaction, start your own thread. I'll come and contribute.
 
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And I wonder, just thinking out loud like, why a chemist, sorry, 'simple tan devotee' (with shitloads of lab equipment deep in the jungle) would want the opinions/advice/technical experience of kids in Dundee cooking up shit in their kitchens?

If you read the whole thread, you'll see stuffmonger has already explained why: It was originally posted in ADD, but it was getting no responses, so he thought he'd try his luck here.

Can we please just focus on the process, peoples results with the process, chemistry behind the process, etc? If its a sham / shill / scam / epic trollfest / vending attempt / whatever, it will be proven in due time.


I'm not trying to instigate with anyone here but if you don't like it and/or believe it, why not just leave? These opinions have already been voiced, and countered, so now we are just going back and forth. These pages and pages of arguments (which I am aware I'm contributing to with this post) are doing nothing but litter the thread and render the actual information almost unobtainable.
 
If you read the whole thread, you'll see stuffmonger has already explained why: It was originally posted in ADD, but it was getting no responses, so he thought he'd try his luck here.

Can we please just focus on the process, peoples results with the process, chemistry behind the process, etc? If its a sham / shill / scam / epic trollfest / vending attempt / whatever, it will be proven in due time.


I'm not trying to instigate with anyone here but if you don't like it and/or believe it, why not just leave? These opinions have already been voiced, and countered, so now we are just going back and forth. These pages and pages of arguments (which I am aware I'm contributing to with this post) are doing nothing but litter the thread and render the actual information almost unobtainable.
Here here.

I said it before, I think all those trying for a productive answer are aware that some don't think this is genuine. We have heard you and we've had enough.
 
If only Nunezorro would come back. He had success with this. Shame he stopped posting after 3 posts. I imagine SM needed the computer back.

Can anyone explain why this thread, high on chemistry detail, is in EADD instead of ADD?

And wasn't SM going to disappear in a puff of paranoia back on p11? All highly entertaining stuff stuff. Carry on.

<3

This thread is here as opposed to ADD because the vast amount of chemistry discussed here is non-sensical and insane! Re: the baseless, incoherent speculation and drivel (see I NUK3ED U's posts a few back...or all the musings on bacteria's role, or what sodium bicarbonate is, etc etc etc) that is the majority of the thread. The other portion is people in varying degrees of PV paranoia and psychosis accusing others of being in or not in on the whole things. It is fucking great and hilarious! Stuffmonger may be making something, but maybe not. That is the secondary attraction (in my opinion) in this thread at the moment.
 
Give up on the worktops. A child would know the difference between mahogany and oak.

Pics on p9 (Truthwalker - 11 posts) and p6 (Bigbluemnm - 3 posts) could be seen as identical. Your pics are not dissimilar. Coincidence?

If you have real concerns, bring them up privately with the moderators, who know most of the facts,

'Most' of the facts. Like it.

It's a public forum. Let's keep this public too.


Here here.

I said it before, I think all those trying for a productive answer are aware that some don't think this is genuine. We have heard you and we've had enough.

The same applies from my side. You're lucky the thread isn't full of people discussing tea. This is EADD. Take the thread to ADD. Away from us ignorant peasants.

I'm sure you'll come back and sell us, sorry, tell us, the results.
 
I think a good cup of tea & a laid back discussion of whys & wherefores/ins and outs/ up & downs pertaining to the dismal failure of the England side in the recent ODIs is just what this thread needs - it was however most entertaining to read :D
 
lol, some of you people are hilarious.

Clearly people should avoid contributing to ideas in this thread without a PhD in Organic Chemistry, despite being clearly tempted/encouraged to try such a synthesis, at home, without such knowledge. So yes, perhaps this thread should fuck off back to ADD, or better still, be closed as I suggested some time back. For a harm reduction site, I'm staggered that this farce has been allowed to continue, and again, I will derive my own conclusion from that.

I will not apologise for having 'a unique' insight. I'm a jack of all trades, master of none; so if my "crazy conspiracy theories" are offending people then just laugh it of or don't read them.

What I do have to my name though is:

- a lifelong interest in international politics and an understanding of what does and does not 'just happen' at a moment's notice. eg. China doing what they're told / The UK, followed by the US reacting in such a way and speed to a particular type of substance so as to actually put the legislation itself at risk of illegality. Strange that this in the US should happen at almost precisely the same time as the outcome of the chemical analysis in this thread was released.

- an 8 year career as a senior executive for a FTSE 100 listed company

- a lifelong proximity to drug related enterprises, without, of course, active involvement

- zero interest or understanding of chemistry until I read this thread, where upon I felt something new and monolithic in importance was brewing. Since then, I've just been on a bit of an exploration and appear to have reached conclusions that serious chemists are giving more and more weight to as their own curiosity is sparked. I've clearly made a small number of ludicrous misstatements, but unfortunately, this is often the product of working backwards, rather than forwards.

I'd encourage people to trust in my conclusions and take the chemistry out of my hands.

Look at the links in my previous post and try and follow my thinking.

Combine this with what you see happening on the international stage.

Also think if there's any correlation time-wise with the disappearance, and the re-emergence of MDMA over the previous few years.

Why is freebase MDPV described as 'extremely unstable'. What does this actually mean? What range of outcomes are possible when something (or a combination of things) described as 'extremely unstable' are combined. Whether this be 'on the fly' by vaporising / following injestion / or in controlled environments; surely there is a range of amazing outcomes that are not outside of the boundaries of reasonable probability.

Again, let me throw some other conjecture out there. Earlier in this thread (think it was sensored out, but feel free to search), someone suggested that the latter part of stuffmonger's reaction ("degradation") could be achieved via a much easier method. A lot of people have speculated as to bacteria + oxygen + whatever whatever. I just ask you to consider acetone. Why did stuffmonger's reaction not work in some of his own environments but did in others? Why does stuffmonger's reaction not seem to work in 'most' other people's environments? Are there not products available and used specifically to clean laboratory surfaces? Do these contain acetone or a related compound? Do these compounds have interesting properties like a very low surface tension, or a boiling point very close to (or slightly above) room temperature?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone

Why is stuffmonger so clued up on chemistry and declares himself as having zero chemistry knowledge. Why is he in central america? Why is it the southern US states banning this shit first? Who the fuck is this guy and why has he posted this thread? Was it really to get advice on a practical part of his synthesis? Amazing how threads develop isn't it?

I dunno. I'm done. Instinct which I've learned to trust my life with yelled that something BIG was going on here from the beginning. Believe me or not, I don't really give a fuck, but frankly, I'm amazed that such supposed 'experts' had to wait for a lab analysis before getting excited about this reaction and it's implications.
 
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What Nuk3d is saying is valid. Some of the folks defending the thread are either 1) still a little wet behind the ears or 2) have some other intent.

Admitting manufacture of a substance that is legal almost everywhere other than the UK is still hardly crime of the century though is it? People regularly admit to producing GHB in the GBL thread and that is definitely illegal pretty much everywhere.

Shambles
Seriously? Very surprised someone with your experience with, and knowledge of, the rc universe would make this statement. Hmm. Why help make the case that it's no big deal to self incriminate? Hmm. The reality is, we should be very careful about what we say in any public forum. That point cannot be stressed enough.

Some have suggested that giving this thread more time to "develop" will result in the truth eventually revealing itself. I've got old news, it has been revealed.

SDBF - Like the venom you're spewing, so entertaining! Just love the way you get angry and have no constructive input or insights to add to this discussion. I expected more from someone that's been successful with the stuffmongerization process. Also love that porno sexy story about you and the two or three other girls. Keep 'em coming, please.
 
Rusted - He's not asking how to synthesise a compound from scratch (which isn't allowed on this forum), but is enquiring about what / how / why his process of converting one form of a substance to another form. This has been asked on this forum oh-so-many times with regards to how to get Cocaine into it's freebase Crack form.

Please stop with the conspirasy theories and such as this is not the intended purpose of this thread.
If you would like to question whether this has lead to the illegality of this substance in the USA (which is what I've deduced from a quick scan of the thread) then please make another thread about it in N&SADD.

This thread seems extremely interesting and I would love to keep it on track :)
Need to have a good read of this at some point!
 
Shambles said:
Admitting manufacture of a substance that is legal almost everywhere other than the UK is still hardly crime of the century though is it? People regularly admit to producing GHB in the GBL thread and that is definitely illegal pretty much everywhere.

Shambles
Seriously? Very surprised someone with your experience with, and knowledge of, the rc universe would make this statement. Hmm. Why help make the case that it's no big deal to self incriminate? Hmm. The reality is, we should be very careful about what we say in any public forum. That point cannot be stressed enough.

I've seen much worse, admitted on massively public forums, often times here actually, and never really seen legal action stemming from it. If you're an ex-con on parole being investigated for cooking meth, sure, you may want to avoid it.

Rusted - He's not asking how to synthesise a compound from scratch (which isn't allowed on this forum), but is enquiring about what / how / why his process of converting one form of a substance to another form. This has been asked on this forum oh-so-many times with regards to how to get Cocaine into it's freebase Crack form.

Please stop with the conspirasy theories and such as this is not the intended purpose of this thread.
If you would like to question whether this has lead to the illegality of this substance in the USA (which is what I've deduced from a quick scan of the thread) then please make another thread about it in N&SADD.


This thread seems extremely interesting and I would love to keep it on track :)
Need to have a good read of this at some point!

+1 and +2
 
lol, some of you people are hilarious.

Clearly people should avoid contributing to ideas in this thread without a PhD in Organic Chemistry, despite being clearly tempted/encouraged to try such a synthesis, at home, without such knowledge. So yes, perhaps this thread should fuck off back to ADD, or better still, be closed as I suggested some time back. For a harm reduction site, I'm staggered that this farce has been allowed to continue, and again, I will derive my own conclusion from that.

I will not apologise for having 'a unique' insight. I'm a jack of all trades, master of none; so if my "crazy conspiracy theories" are offending people then just laugh it of or don't read them.

What I do have to my name though is:

- a lifelong interest in international politics and an understanding of what does and does not 'just happen' at a moment's notice. eg. China doing what they're told / The UK, followed by the US reacting in such a way and speed to a particular type of substance so as to actually put the legislation itself at risk of illegality. Strange that this in the US should happen at almost precisely the same time as the outcome of the chemical analysis in this thread was released.

- an 8 year career as a senior executive for a FTSE 100 listed company

- a lifelong proximity to drug related enterprises, without, of course, active involvement

- zero interest or understanding of chemistry until I read this thread, where upon I felt something new and monolithic in importance was brewing. Since then, I've just been on a bit of an exploration and appear to have reached conclusions that serious chemists are giving more and more weight to as their own curiosity is sparked. I've clearly made a small number of ludicrous misstatements, but unfortunately, this is often the product of working backwards, rather than forwards.

I'd encourage people to trust in my conclusions and take the chemistry out of my hands.

Look at the links in my previous post and try and follow my thinking.

Combine this with what you see happening on the international stage.

Also think if there's any correlation time-wise with the disappearance, and the re-emergence of MDMA over the previous few years.

Why is freebase MDPV described as 'extremely unstable'. What does this actually mean? What range of outcomes are possible when something (or a combination of things) described as 'extremely unstable' are combined. Whether this be 'on the fly' by vaporising / following injestion / or in controlled environments; surely there is a range of amazing outcomes that are not outside of the boundaries of reasonable probability.

Again, let me throw some other conjecture out there. Earlier in this thread (think it was sensored out, but feel free to search), someone suggested that the latter part of stuffmonger's reaction ("degradation") could be achieved via a much easier method. A lot of people have speculated as to bacteria + oxygen + whatever whatever. I just ask you to consider acetone. Why did stuffmonger's reaction not work in some of his own environments but did in others? Why does stuffmonger's reaction not seem to work in 'most' other people's environments? Are there not products available and used specifically to clean laboratory surfaces? Do these contain acetone or a related compound? Do these compounds have interesting properties like a very low surface tension, or a boiling point very close to (or slightly above) room temperature?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone

Why is stuffmonger so clued up on chemistry and declares himself as having zero chemistry knowledge. Why is he in central america? Why is it the southern US states banning this shit first? Who the fuck is this guy and why has he posted this thread? Was it really to get advice on a practical part of his synthesis? Amazing how threads develop isn't it?

I dunno. I'm done. Instinct which I've learned to trust my life with yelled that something BIG was going on here from the beginning. Believe me or not, I don't really give a fuck, but frankly, I'm amazed that such supposed 'experts' had to wait for a lab analysis before getting excited about this reaction and it's implications.

How about you just come out say what the fuck you are talking about instead of this cloak and dagger, here's a bunch of clues now figure it out bullshit.

Just say it man.
 
This thread has deteriorated into something less than what I had hoped for. Very few have tried the process and some of those used incomplete or confusing instructions. I don't think anyone here will benefit from my continued participation. I attempted to leave this thread in the hands of experimenters some few hundred posts back, but my email kept alerting me to questions that I thought the overall participants might benefit from a public answer. If anyone does have any more specific questions, I will be more than happy to answer them in private messages. A few Greenlighters in previous posts expressed their inability to do so. If you are in that situation, then post a bunch of random stuff until you get your 50 posts, then PM me. I will help anyone interested in pursuing this to the best of my abilities, but the public posts are generating about twenty off-subject posts to every one exploratory post. Its not productive for anyone.
 
I'm greatly sorry to hear that stuffmonger, I was inspired and at the least interested by what you have brought to the table. Funds are stopping me from beginning trials myself. I hope you at least stick around BL so that when I get around to experimenting I can PM you with my questions & results.

I fully understand your reason for leaving this thread, though, as it seems to have deteriorated to a lower and less sensible level then the Alternative Theories Thread in the CE&P forum.

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OMGZZ iTz t3h GOVERNMENT OWNED'D AM-HI-CO VENDOR MACHINE PLOT ofFIFCIALY SIGNED BY THE NEW WORLD RC COMMISSION!!!11 1 1

(only kidding now kids :))
 
Don't let the trolls win Stuffmonger!


Still the most interesting thread in the history of the interwebs...
 
lol, some of you people are hilarious.

Clearly people should avoid contributing to ideas in this thread without a PhD in Organic Chemistry, despite being clearly tempted/encouraged to try such a synthesis, at home, without such knowledge. So yes, perhaps this thread should fuck off back to ADD, or better still, be closed as I suggested some time back. For a harm reduction site, I'm staggered that this farce has been allowed to continue, and again, I will derive my own conclusion from that.

I will not apologise for having 'a unique' insight. I'm a jack of all trades, master of none; so if my "crazy conspiracy theories" are offending people then just laugh it of or don't read them.

What I do have to my name though is:

- a lifelong interest in international politics and an understanding of what does and does not 'just happen' at a moment's notice. eg. China doing what they're told / The UK, followed by the US reacting in such a way and speed to a particular type of substance so as to actually put the legislation itself at risk of illegality. Strange that this in the US should happen at almost precisely the same time as the outcome of the chemical analysis in this thread was released.

- an 8 year career as a senior executive for a FTSE 100 listed company

- a lifelong proximity to drug related enterprises, without, of course, active involvement

- zero interest or understanding of chemistry until I read this thread, where upon I felt something new and monolithic in importance was brewing. Since then, I've just been on a bit of an exploration and appear to have reached conclusions that serious chemists are giving more and more weight to as their own curiosity is sparked. I've clearly made a small number of ludicrous misstatements, but unfortunately, this is often the product of working backwards, rather than forwards.

I'd encourage people to trust in my conclusions and take the chemistry out of my hands.

Look at the links in my previous post and try and follow my thinking.

Combine this with what you see happening on the international stage.

Also think if there's any correlation time-wise with the disappearance, and the re-emergence of MDMA over the previous few years.

Why is freebase MDPV described as 'extremely unstable'. What does this actually mean? What range of outcomes are possible when something (or a combination of things) described as 'extremely unstable' are combined. Whether this be 'on the fly' by vaporising / following injestion / or in controlled environments; surely there is a range of amazing outcomes that are not outside of the boundaries of reasonable probability.

Again, let me throw some other conjecture out there. Earlier in this thread (think it was sensored out, but feel free to search), someone suggested that the latter part of stuffmonger's reaction ("degradation") could be achieved via a much easier method. A lot of people have speculated as to bacteria + oxygen + whatever whatever. I just ask you to consider acetone. Why did stuffmonger's reaction not work in some of his own environments but did in others? Why does stuffmonger's reaction not seem to work in 'most' other people's environments? Are there not products available and used specifically to clean laboratory surfaces? Do these contain acetone or a related compound? Do these compounds have interesting properties like a very low surface tension, or a boiling point very close to (or slightly above) room temperature?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone

Why is stuffmonger so clued up on chemistry and declares himself as having zero chemistry knowledge. Why is he in central america? Why is it the southern US states banning this shit first? Who the fuck is this guy and why has he posted this thread? Was it really to get advice on a practical part of his synthesis? Amazing how threads develop isn't it?

I dunno. I'm done. Instinct which I've learned to trust my life with yelled that something BIG was going on here from the beginning. Believe me or not, I don't really give a fuck, but frankly, I'm amazed that such supposed 'experts' had to wait for a lab analysis before getting excited about this reaction and it's implications.

Best post I've read in a long time. Trust in your conclusions? Seriously? sounds really unpleasant, I try NOT to think of the world as one grand simplified conspiratorial delusion. wow
 
Rusted - He's not asking how to synthesise a compound from scratch (which isn't allowed on this forum), but is enquiring about what / how / why his process of converting one form of a substance to another form.

With all due respect monstanoodle, your comment is misleading. This thread is about the possible synthesis of what is likely to be a novel chemical that is not just another form of peevee. For puposes of comparison, stuffmongerization of peevee into supertan is arguably similar to converting ephedrine into meth. Why are you implying that self-incrimination regarding this process is not as serious as it might actually be? In light of that, how is it that this thread isn't breaking the rules of this forum?


I've seen much worse, admitted on massively public forums, often times here actually, and never really seen legal action stemming from it.

ektamine - Just because you've seen much worse is neither here, nor there. I'm wondering why you would make a statement that tries to mitigate the seriousness of self-incrimination in this situation. Hmm. Don't you agree that we should all be careful about what is posted in a public forum?


If anyone does have any more specific questions, I will be more than happy to answer them in private messages.

Scruff, you would've done that a looong time ago if any of this was legit. You only quit when the going got tough, after guys like me, Stone Happy, Nuk3d and a few others had your back against the wall. Goodbye Scruffmonger!
 
stuffmonger - before you leave this thread and return to your real identity can you clear up a few things:

(1) Why did you change the original post so fundamentally, and remove the instructions for synthesis? The mods clearly believe this is just a MDPV => MDPV crack type question, and you stated quite catagorically in one of your posts (again, another edit) that you didn't believe this was a precursor => new "something" type exploration?

(2) Given the above, why have you more recently argued against anyone saying this isn't a completely new substance

(3) Why on God's earth is this in EADD? When (until recently) the purchase of MDPV was illegal here, and not in the US.

(4) Why are you encouraging synthesis of this? I don't really get it? Was your question at the start seeking practical advice or not?
 
Rusted - He's not asking how to synthesise a compound from scratch (which isn't allowed on this forum), but is enquiring about what / how / why his process of converting one form of a substance to another form. This has been asked on this forum oh-so-many times with regards to how to get Cocaine into it's freebase Crack form.

Please stop with the conspirasy theories and such as this is not the intended purpose of this thread.
If you would like to question whether this has lead to the illegality of this substance in the USA (which is what I've deduced from a quick scan of the thread) then please make another thread about it in N&SADD.

This thread seems extremely interesting and I would love to keep it on track :)
Need to have a good read of this at some point!

Can I just ask a quick question on this statement.
A while back I posted a thread on is there a way of converting MDMA back to mda outside of the body.
I was told this was against the rules.
 
Can I just ask a quick question on this statement.
A while back I posted a thread on is there a way of converting MDMA back to mda outside of the body.
I was told this was against the rules.

To answer your original question; there is now!!!


:D
 
MOP: Cos converting MDMA to MDA is sythesis, highly illegal and not allowed to be discussed on BL. This is a simple (or not) conversion of some description as far as we know so far of a drug that is totally legal in most of the world and as such is allowed to be discussed on BL.

Shambles
Seriously? Very surprised someone with your experience with, and knowledge of, the rc universe would make this statement. Hmm. Why help make the case that it's no big deal to self incriminate? Hmm. The reality is, we should be very careful about what we say in any public forum. That point cannot be stressed enough.

Because I honestly don't think it is a big deal. I said people admit to things that are definitely illegal already cos they do. Regularly. But that's their business - nobody is expecting anyone to incriminate themselves. The point remains that in most countries nothing suggested in this thread would be illegal anyway.
 
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