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    I bought recently x20 extract, four grams.. It was pretty pricy. But I've read good things about it and had a back ache lasting for weeks, so I decided to try it out.
    I tried it in tea, tried in capsules, I did 1 g and didn't notice much besides edginess and a slightly warm feeling like I am coming up on a low dosage of some opiod pain killer.. And it was on an empty stomach in the morning. The effect went away rather fast and I felt disappointed as I read people getting extreme euphoria and even hallucinations. I ended up doing the rest of the 4 grams in a day and it was weaker than Tramadol in terms of euphoria (and more expansive).
    I am glad that some of you found Kratom to be awesome. I am rather skeptical.
     

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    Hallucinations? I don't know anyone who's experienced CEV or OEV from kratom, interesting.
    And you're right, it's not very strong (I find it to give a better feeling than tramadol though). But that's probably a big reason why it is still legal.
    The extracts tend to vary widely by vendor, so you may have just gotten inferior product.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhZvir View Post
    I bought recently x20 extract, four grams.. It was pretty pricy. But I've read good things about it and had a back ache lasting for weeks, so I decided to try it out.
    I tried it in tea, tried in capsules, I did 1 g and didn't notice much besides edginess and a slightly warm feeling like I am coming up on a low dosage of some opiod pain killer.. And it was on an empty stomach in the morning. The effect went away rather fast and I felt disappointed as I read people getting extreme euphoria and even hallucinations. I ended up doing the rest of the 4 grams in a day and it was weaker than Tramadol in terms of euphoria (and more expansive).
    I am glad that some of you found Kratom to be awesome. I am rather skeptical.
    I scored 100 grams for no prices. That 100g bag has lasted me a long time. If I were to buy no prices worth of heroin, it'd be gone in thirty minutes.

    Prior to that, I tried extract, which sucked, was expensive, and did not last!

    I usually need 12g in a tea. I remember buying a 25g bag, for more money than the 100g bag, thinking it'll last longer because its better quality.

    But, it only lasted a few days A week at most.

    The pain killing effects is why I used Kratom initially. For instance, I had flu, and sore ribs from coughing. The kratom tea meant I could cough as much as I wanted without clasping my ribs! Then, the following week after the flu. I develop tooth ache and have to have a wisdom tooth out. Long story short, the Dentist left a tooth fragment in the hole which cut into my gum when I bit down on the cotton gauze to stop the bleeding! That caused me major pain when the anesthetic wore off. So, I used Kratom for the pain.

    Now, if you are in pain, you don't get the euphoric effects so pronounced on Kratom. I realised this soon after dislodging the tooth fragment from my gum. I literally orgasmed from the Kratom inside me when the pain was removed from the equation.

    Then, after all that, I had developed a regular Kratom habit. One I have to this day. I use roughly 6g-10g daily now, cutting down from the higher doses I took whilst in pain.

    But, 4g of Kratom will not work! Especially not in a tea. You should've got a 100g bag of the stuff and dosed until you were high (if that is your goal). Because, Kratom works, but not for ex-junkies only in higher doses.

    It's comparative to hitting a joint for the first time, once, and saying, well that did not get me high...weed is shit. I'm sceptical. Ha!

    You must've got ripped off by some shady Kratom dealer. You need a sound supplier as well, because some people boil the leaf down to make extracts and then sell the leaf on! Be careful buying off the Internet! Once you find a decent supplier, stick with them for life. Be it a headshop, always shop there. I bought from my cannabis seed supplier! I trust that site like my own mother. And they are the cheapest suppliers on the Net for the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catcalls View Post
    But, 4g of Kratom will not work! Especially not in a tea. You should've got a 100g bag of the stuff and dosed until you were high (if that is your goal). Because, Kratom works, but not for ex-junkies only in higher doses.
    He's referring to a 20x extract, not standard commercial grade. It only takes me 1.25g of <snip> kratom to get high, but it takes approx 15g of the commercial to achieve desired effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhZvir View Post
    I bought recently x20 extract, four grams.. It was pretty pricy. But I've read good things about it and had a back ache lasting for weeks, so I decided to try it out.
    I tried it in tea, tried in capsules, I did 1 g and didn't notice much besides edginess and a slightly warm feeling like I am coming up on a low dosage of some opiod pain killer.. And it was on an empty stomach in the morning. The effect went away rather fast and I felt disappointed as I read people getting extreme euphoria and even hallucinations. I ended up doing the rest of the 4 grams in a day and it was weaker than Tramadol in terms of euphoria (and more expansive).
    I am glad that some of you found Kratom to be awesome. I am rather skeptical.
    Find some good plain leaf. Extracts usually need some plain leaf mixed with them to make them worth it. Even then I wouldn't bother with them.
     

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    Sorry I haven't been bothered to be honest to look through the whole of the thread but which type of kratom is the best: there's all different kind like kratom resin kratom leaf kratom extract to Bali Kratom powdered Mitragyna Speciosa, kratom Thai Dragonfly kratom, <snip>(liquid drops ) and also smokeable joints which I have been told are a waste of money even though there from a decent site

    Are any of them good enough for a heavy cocaine or alcohol hangover/ comedown ?either the day your coming down or the next day you feel like shite ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaron View Post
    He's referring to a 20x extract, not standard commercial grade. It only takes me 1.25g of <snip> kratom to get high, but it takes approx 15g of the commercial to achieve desired effects.
    Oh, I'd disagree with this statement completely. The extract is terrible. I never got 'high' from it. But, the commercial grade leaf, after drinking like 5-6 teas made from it, I was ready to puke on my very first dosing.
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    ^I think we can chalk that up to vendor discrepancies.
    <snip> works for me and many others who have tried it. Although a little more expensive per dose, I'd rather parachute a little gram ball of that than make 5-6 teas. Yuckkk.
    Some extracts are crap, you just need the right vendor.
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    Question yall, I just bought my very first bag of kratom, it got shipped here, just got it yesterday. I went to the doc tuesday so I wasn't in withdrawl when I got it. (i WAS in wd when I ordered it though, haha lol isn't it ironic) so how much krat/what ROA do you experienced kratom users suggest I use for my first dose? I don't have any capsules, I just got powdered maeng da kratom, 1 oz. I do have a digi scale also

    Btw I have a significant opiate tolerance.

    Also, I've heard you can get either a stimulant effect OR a depressant effect from this substance. What would be the difference, dosage-wise for achieving these two opposite feelings? I don't really plan on using the kratom until I run out of my fentanyl, even then I have a couple hundred percs but I don't like to use them cause of the APAP, and I need a large amount of them to suppress w/d, so they're essentially useless... And doing a cwe (which I've never actually done) would make me feel nervous about screwing up my medication, rendering it even MORE useless, lol

    Thanks 4 the suggestions
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by droogz View Post
    Sorry I haven't been bothered to be honest to look through the whole of the thread but which type of kratom is the best: there's all different kind like kratom resin kratom leaf kratom extract to Bali Kratom powdered Mitragyna Speciosa, kratom Thai Dragonfly kratom, Essence of Hydroxy(liquid drops ) and also smokeable joints which I have been told are a waste of money even though there from a decent site

    Are any of them good enough for a heavy cocaine or alcohol hangover/ comedown ?either the day your coming down or the next day you feel like shite ?

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    A lot of it is preference and what one vendor sells as a quality extract might be labeled the same as what someone else sells that's total shit.

    In the past most people have preferred high-quality whole-leaf products to extracts however a lot of different extraction techniques and products have come out recently, some of which get positive reviews.

    Since there isn't industry-wide regulation, there is too much variance to say "X" is the best unless you're referring to a specific vendor's product and that isn't allowed on here.

    Also, this thread isn't for product reviews and everyone's views are going to differ on what they enjoy/prefer anyway.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cane2theLeft View Post
    A lot of it is preference and what one vendor sells as a quality extract might be labeled the same as what someone else sells that's total shit.

    In the past most people have preferred high-quality whole-leaf products to extracts however a lot of different extraction techniques and products have come out recently, some of which get positive reviews.

    Since there isn't industry-wide regulation, there is too much variance to say "X" is the best unless you're referring to a specific vendor's product and that isn't allowed on here.

    Also, this thread isn't for product reviews and everyone's views are going to differ on what they enjoy/prefer anyway.
    kratom is very trial error..like i said before to anyone trying it...find the right dosage and the right vendor and kratom can be a very enjoyable experience
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkvein View Post
    Question yall, I just bought my very first bag of kratom, it got shipped here, just got it yesterday. I went to the doc tuesday so I wasn't in withdrawl when I got it. (i WAS in wd when I ordered it though, haha lol isn't it ironic) so how much krat/what ROA do you experienced kratom users suggest I use for my first dose? I don't have any capsules, I just got powdered maeng da kratom, 1 oz. I do have a digi scale also

    Btw I have a significant opiate tolerance.

    Also, I've heard you can get either a stimulant effect OR a depressant effect from this substance. What would be the difference, dosage-wise for achieving these two opposite feelings? I don't really plan on using the kratom until I run out of my fentanyl, even then I have a couple hundred percs but I don't like to use them cause of the APAP, and I need a large amount of them to suppress w/d, so they're essentially useless... And doing a cwe (which I've never actually done) would make me feel nervous about screwing up my medication, rendering it even MORE useless, lol

    Thanks 4 the suggestions
    Hmm... not sure how much you should take. How significant of a tolerance are we talking here? What's your daily dose of normal opiate? There's a fine line between a good high and an over-the-top, puking, unpleasant experience, so it's hard to guess your dose based on "significant tolerance", or really based on anything, as kratom has interesting pharmacology.
    And as far as I've read, lower doses cause more stimulation, higher doses cause more depressant effects. I shoot for the high dose effects, but I still find it hard to sleep afterward sometimes. I'm guessing you get both effects at any dose, but one is more pronounced at different doses.
     

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    ^exactly- at lower doses with less mu agonism, the stimulant effects are more pronounced. At higher doses with more mu agonism, the sedative properties are more pronounced.
     

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    If you read between the lines here specific vendors are being implicated.....I suppose it is ok because the names are not mentioned but if you have ever shopped around <snip> is pretty specific vendor wise....at least from my recollection. Different vendors use different kratom slang, and I assume <snip> is vendor specific. My tincture was not called that and google + what is being said here can lead you straight to vendors. I am not a mod, but all I am saying is this is kind of a grey area when it comes to the rules of this site. I really do not want this thread closed so can we generalize to plain leaf, powdered leaf, extracts that are indicated by a # like 15x, 20x, tinctures, resin, and bali, thai or whatever......that leaves more of a annonimity
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    Does bringing a mug of water to a boil in the microwave, then taking it out and popping the tea bag in work? I am guessing it will take a few cups before getting the whole dose, but i don't feel like boiling it on the stove right now. If i were to boil the kratom in the water on the stove, how long should i keep it boiling for?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by robatussin View Post
    If you read between the lines here specific vendors are being implicated.....I suppose it is ok because the names are not mentioned but if you have ever shopped around <snip> is pretty specific vendor wise....at least from my recollection. Different vendors use different kratom slang, and I assume <snip> is vendor specific. My tincture was not called that and google + what is being said here can lead you straight to vendors. I am not a mod, but all I am saying is this is kind of a grey area when it comes to the rules of this site. I really do not want this thread closed so can we generalize to plain leaf, powdered leaf, extracts that are indicated by a # like 15x, 20x, tinctures, resin, and bali, thai or whatever......that leaves more of a annonimity
    Thank you for bringing this to our attention... I went through and edited what you recommended.


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    Please take heed of this warning so this thread can remain open and thrive
     

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    Thanks for noticing my noticing of "vendor flirting", and yeah those edits were necessary in my post.....I was only trying to point out how this was getting vendor specific using examples. The other terms at the end are very broad terms and i think should be the slang used to specify the types of kratom available to most if not all vendors
     

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    ^yeah, good call. I certainly appreciate it and fully understand why you used those terms.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkvein View Post
    Question yall, I just bought my very first bag of kratom, it got shipped here, just got it yesterday. I went to the doc tuesday so I wasn't in withdrawl when I got it. (i WAS in wd when I ordered it though, haha lol isn't it ironic) so how much krat/what ROA do you experienced kratom users suggest I use for my first dose? I don't have any capsules, I just got powdered maeng da kratom, 1 oz. I do have a digi scale also

    Btw I have a significant opiate tolerance.

    Also, I've heard you can get either a stimulant effect OR a depressant effect from this substance. What would be the difference, dosage-wise for achieving these two opposite feelings? I don't really plan on using the kratom until I run out of my fentanyl, even then I have a couple hundred percs but I don't like to use them cause of the APAP, and I need a large amount of them to suppress w/d, so they're essentially useless... And doing a cwe (which I've never actually done) would make me feel nervous about screwing up my medication, rendering it even MORE useless, lol

    Thanks 4 the suggestions


    Easiest way for me is to take 4g's and rip down a single ply piece of toilet paper a little more than half. Fold it up like your rolling a blunt and close the ends. Put the closed ends on the middle of your tongue a little towards the back and then fill your mouth with water before swallowling.

    Since it's your first time and you got a big opiate tolerance I say go for 8 grams. You could do 2g pieces if 4 looks like to much. You could also try mixing with a bunch of yogurt if you can't do it. Kratom is kind of an acquired taste and it could take a bunch of strains before it even really works. Personally I don't like Maenga Da and it actually makes me dizzy.

    There is the possibility 8 grams will get you sick though if you don't have a strong stomach but since you have an opiate tolerance you're gonna have to start higher.

    Also Cold water extraction is not difficult at all and is not that easy to screw up.
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    I want to note for the second time that there is (probably a few) kratom forums that discuss brands and vendors, I dont think directing people to a forum is against the rules and I am barely doing that. If you want to discuss brands with specific names please find it. I dont think directing people to a forum where they can drop brands and sources is against the rules....correct me if I am wrong
     

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    ^telling people to find other forums to discuss specific brands and vendors is certainly kosher... providing links to sites that discuss such things would not be.

    Thanks for looking out, Rob.
     

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    no prob cane, keep keeping this thread kosher. Keep in mind some people that post might not have read every page of this thread.....my intention is to keep it open. We got a good thing going here. To add additional kratom discussion, i think i might be the only one discussing resin here. I would like to see other peoples experience with resin as it is a relatively cheap extracted version that IMO kicks 15x-30x asses when it comes to more for your money. Roll the resin into balls and swallow like big pills....no choking on powder or leaves and no tea if that makes you sick (btw add lemon and lots of sugar and kratom tastes better than some regular teas IMO)
     

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    ^Have you had success mixing it with yogurt in the past? Perhaps it was just the type I had but it seems hydrophobic (repelled by/won't mix with water).

    I tried to mix it in pudding and no matter what I did, it would not mix in.
     

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    i have not tried yogurt or pudding, but I have noticed that it does take time to get submerged in the tea (esp with powders). Tea is an effective method for me but I guess for those who want to ingest the plant material, tea is not the way to do that. I will keep the yogurt method in mind. Does it maybe mask the taste better? If you toss and wash the powdered leaf products, one wrong move and you can instantaneously gag and vomit and or cough powder puffs into the air. This would turn anyone off to the experience vs what it takes to attain effects. I think taking one batch of powder and using it for multiple batches of tea is effective and you can toss (meaning throw away) the plant material after the color of the tea is much lighter than when you started. Not making multiple batches is wasteful.

    I can def see a resistance to water that subsides....I always though of mytragynine and its friends as not opiates, but rather their own class that resemble opiates/iods. Further discussion about solubility of powders and especially those who have tried HIGH alkaloid extracts in water or water based foods like pudding. By high extracts I mean powders that have a majority of their weight in alkaloids. It compares more to the "powdered hash" of kratom (trying to not use terms vendors have to describe this type of high alkaloid powdered extract.....in fact i don't know if they exist anymore. Just having tasted that type of powder makes me want to agree with the "hydrophobic" comment when it comes to the alkaloids
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    and all the tinctures are alcohol based, reminds me of benzo solubility which is totally water resistant (in most cases) but still fat soluble and alcohol soluble...though they find their way to our brains via sublingual methods.
     

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