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Feds Move to ban "Fake Pot"

Swerlz said:
Not at all. I'm just saying it's about time they pulled that Spice shit off.. Sucks that -018, -073, -200, and CP-47497 are being banned. As they are decent chemicals, but due to the massive amount of teens and generally ignorant drug users using theses drugs irresponsibly causes things like this to happen.

Yeah prohibition is stupid and never works. But sometimes the general public shouldn't have access to things like this so easily as it causes problems for those of us who know how to respect the drug and not draw attention to it or ourselves. Also, the DEA may of done us a favor seeing as we have no idea the carcinogenic effects of the JWH-substances, if any. So it's like a double-edged sword in the matter.
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Yeah I agree man. I tried that "spice" stuff a while ago and didn't really like it tbh, so this doesn't effect me whatsoever. If I am desparate enough to get stoned, i'll get pot.
 
I hope they dont make the bath salts Illegall, I can see the cathinone derivatives being banned just like all the drugs in the piperazine family were. But that being said there will always be new chemicals and new classifications, so im not worried too much. Anybody here tried "blue magic bath salts" yet? The guy that makes them uses MDPV, its pretty intense stuff
 
this is pretty sad. this stuff has actually been around for years, and the government cant control it so they ban it. its not about hospitalizations, its about control man. on the other hand, alot of young kids are buying it from the corner store and thats kinda scary. i rather just smoke pot.
 
"Bath Salts"

Psyke said:
the DEA should spend their time banning substances such as "ivory wave" a synthetic concaine-like powder which is sold as bath salts at smoke shops. nobody has any certainty whatsoever on what that contains.
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There is lots of other kinds then "Ivory Wave," and to call it cocaine like is a big stretch, its more like an amphetamine feeling coupled with a yohimbe like over-stimulation. The high lasts much longer than cocaine, and you are misinformed, people do know whats in them, the active ingredients in the bath salts are cathinone derivitaves (drugs derived from the Khat plant). Theres no ingredients list on any of the packages, but chemical analysis of almost all of the "bath salt" brands shows MDPV or Mephedrone. They are also sometimes mixed with local numbing agents or other stimulants. They can be insuflated or eaten with pretty potent effects. I reccomend any stimulant fan to try them before the ban goes through. I have a feeling that the cathinone derivitaves will go the way of the piperazine drugs and wont be around for much longer
 
I never understood the point of fake weed. I understand its easier to get but its a waste of money it seems. Dont really see the point in making it illegal though, not that it matters to me
 
More idiotic, unnecessary scheduling of a substance that will cause more harm than the chemical itself ever caused...
 
chinky said:
please, your acting as if everyone who does and sells drugs like cocaine and marijuana are some child raping murderous psychopaths. i think its time to turn off the reefer madness propaganda and step out of that bubble boy life your living..i mean your sittin there telling me that you only buy legal drugs that can be purchased online because you dont want to associate with people thats into the drug culture and that your only friends are "normals" who i guess from your lack of description are people who dont use drugs or associate with anyone that they kniw of who does drugs and ones who like you,take "drugs" but dont do real street drugs they only buy their drugs with a chemical name from online retailers, again so they dont have to interact with the undesireables.. .

i cant even go on because i dont know if your serious or not cause at first i thought you where but as i wirte this out and reread your post, im thinking your just trollin and couldnt be serious..i mean that post is pure comedy, im talking AMP TV GOLD..i mean that post is like 1951 leave it to beaver state of mind..if thats the way you live i feel bad for you, your life must suck, i hope your some millionaire dork loser who got rich from doin some math equations..then atleat your rich
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Holy shit this is one massive misrepresentation of what I'm saying. Where do I say I ONLY buy online or NEVER associate with people who are heavier into the drug culture? Where do I say that everybody associated with the drug culture is shitty? I'm listing all the reasons why it's better to get drugs through the mail when you can, including scheduled one's.

And "trolling," "Leave it to Beaver," "Bubble Boy"? You're ridiculous. I've been here since 2005. I have three three star trip reports on Erowid under the author name "nowhereman," more than any other author in the site's history (including the only three star report in all of 2009), and numerous two star reports. I've interviewed top psychedelic researchers and done work aiding cluster headache sufferers. I've tried and reported on most drugs under the sun, most all without directly associating with the drug culture physically (including rarities like 3-MeO-PCP, 3-ho-PCP, synthetic DMT and psilocin). Go ahead and check. Search under my name here and you'll see the exact same titles as on Erowid. I don't say this to boast, but to demonstrate I've put a lot of thought and effort into this community. Those are my contributions from inside my "1950s Leave it Beaver Bubble". Doesn't sound so insular or limited does it? What are your contributions from the streets where the "real" shit happens? Where is the evidence of all your thought and effort? I certainly don't see much in the pages upon pages of street-urchin heroin discussion that make up your post history. In fact, looking closer, it seems like you spend a lot of time getting under people's skin, probably in some sad attempt to make them as miserable as you are.

Go ahead and do the same with me. Here, I'll help http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/search.php?searchid=5863514&pp=25&page=5

Search as far back as you like and as often. Judge me from the content of my posts like I have you. Let's compare!

Here's a chestnut of your's that only took me about a minute to find:
im talkin maybrook too..i spent 3days in that bitch being "held for investigation"...wouldnt let me make a phone call or nothing just had to sit there...but the old man who wasnt a cop but like a maintnence guy who cleans at night would give me an extra dinner or 2 with extra juices...even the cops there where like your still in here??? it was like being in solitary i didnt get to leave my cell except for once in the 3days and your right they whre some grimey ass cells and everything echoed...there was this one guy who had to have been dope sick cause this motherfucker threw up for what seemed like an entire day and that shit just echoed
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Damn chinky, you certainly are in a position to pass harsh judgment on me, aren't you? The drug culture has been so go to you! What wisdom you must have!

I've used drugs of all kinds for 14 years and never been addicted to anything (not GHB, not meth, not dilauded or morphine or coke, though I had at times steady sources for them), and I've never been arrested or even been in a car accident, and I credit it to staying the hell away from, yes, shitty "undesirable" people who are heavy into the drug culture and destroy the lives around them. I graduated summa cu laude from undergrad and now I'm pursuing a doctorate in a program rated in the top three in the nation -- all while regularly enjoying a diverse array of high quality drugs. Again, not a fucking coincidence. My same friends who stayed in the thick of shit back home scoring traditionally have gone nowhere and admit they're miserable (lots of DUI's, arrests for possession, kids they can't afford, etc.), though I've since helped them score drugs online and its helped remove them from the shitty mutually destructive co-dependencies they had to maintain as part of the traditional drug culture. I'm still their friend, not some elitist who abandons people who are part of the traditional drug culture, I just don't actively cultivate new friends who are a part of that culture and focus on cultivating online sources. That's the entire point of what I was saying above. It works out better this way. I know because I've lived it and lived alongside those who stayed on the traditional path.

And wow, you're right, what a "dork" I am. I sure wish I made your superior life choices chinky. Instead I've been my dorky self making thoughtful contributions to this community and to the larger society while maintaining healthy long term romantic relationships and staying physically fit. What a waste when I could be listening to the echo of some junkie's vomitting in a jail cell for three days and speaking some half formed idiot vernacular as I constantly patrol the streets for my next score!

Believe it or not it is possible to get a hold of pretty much anything online without spending your days trolling the ghetto risking getting robbed or arrested or hanging around with a community of self-destructive users (yes, even heroin, cocaine, MDMA, LSD..). And you know what, it doesn't even take much effort. All I've done is been online and shown myself to be knowledgeable and responsible and it happens for me. I'm some lower-middle class guy who attended public school like most people here. I paid for undergrad as a night janitor. I listened to college lectures I downloaded for free illegally online while I cut grass at golf course to educate myself for grad school. I haven't had it bad, but I certainly haven't had any special privileges. You presume one has to be some kind of upper crust academic or socialite to do these things but that's not the case. You rationalize that's the case to make sense of your own circumstance and all the unnecessary trouble they've caused you when accessible alternative de-centralized drug economies have existed all along that could have spared you a lot of suffering had you put in any serious effort at reaching out to them -- not to mention all the destruction your life using heroin has caused others. Your life is a result of your own ignorance and laziness, and it could've easily been a lot different.

Yet here you come at me with with a bunch of rude misspelled lazy trailer trash talk like you intend that to be evidence that you know better? That's what's pissing me off about you, your undeserved confidence. What justifies it? Wake the fuck up. You're only fooling yourself. It's not necessary to participate in the traditional street drug culture to anywhere near the same degree as in the past and it hasn't been for a long time. And to choose to do so perpetuates destructive life styles and criminal enterprises on account of the fact that they are geographically centralized. Stop rationalizing your destructive choices and belittling alternative, safer, more effective and entirely realistic methods of obtaining drugs , and while you're at it, learn to speak proper English and try the spell check. You sound exactly how I'd expect an ignorant junkie who gets all their confidence for talking trash from whatever cheap high they're currently riding to sound. Sorry if this has been harsh, but damn, you really deserve it.

Thanks chinky, it's been, um ... embarrassing talking to you.
 
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Psyke said:
the DEA should spend their time banning substances such as "ivory wave" a synthetic concaine-like powder which is sold as bath salts at smoke shops. nobody has any certainty whatsoever on what that contains.
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Besides the fact that it's caffeine that costs as much for a pill as does a bottle of real caffeine pills.
 
psood0nym ftw! =D

I personally will miss these compounds....073 most of all. Far and away my favorite, and a very nice high in and of itself. Even without a comparison to mj, though it still compares very favorably imho.

I get regularly drug tested to maintain gainful employment, and synthetic cannabinoids and 073 in particular have helped me curb a very destructive drinking pattern i had developed over the last five years of abstaining(for the most part) from weed. I've gone from drinking 6-12 beers a day most days to it taking me a week and a half to finish the twelve pack of shiner bock in my fridge. I'll mostly go the entire work week without a drop, unless i meet friends out for a social beer. But drinking at home,which had been a staple, has all but been eliminated in favor of synthetics. They've been nothing but good for me, and I fear going back to a life of relying on alcohol as my chosen intoxicant for the daily stresses of life.

The worst part is I can't even stock up. My state has already made 018 and 073 illegal...and it seems my old supplier, and the rest i can find, won't even ship to my state anymore. My only hope appears to be in seeing how the analog law is/isn't applied with regards to unnamed chemicals. But sadly, it appears my days with 073 are very short indeed. Seeing as how i can't even take advantage of this last 30 day rush on stock, and this emergency scheduling's very poor timing in terms of my meager stash.

So yes, the smoking blends might be a bit sketch because of lack of disclosure, but as stated above...why is that? Prohibition. But i only use them in a pinch anyways for the most part....even though "serenity now" is quite a nice one(far above any others I've tried anyways). And I'll be the first to say I advise against the proprietary blends of RCs recently being pushed heavily. I'll stick to one known chem at a time thank you. But those applauding this action because these chems are 'nasty' and 'you oughta just smoke weed' are short-sighted and ignorant. For me its not about availability or cost, its about avoiding detection.

And for the record, I've been using them pretty much daily since I was introduced to them around march or so....and I feel none the worse for it. That doesn't mean there aren't possible long term ramifications I've yet to discover, but those who say regular use feels wrong or unhealthy....i've had none of that. I think it's in their heads simply because they know its synthetic.

Oh.....and Sen. Orrin Hatch....fuck you! Another gem of drug war legislation pushed by your hand. When will this old fucker just die already?
 
Wow. Insult to injury after the failure of prop. 19 in Cali.

I never tried any synthetic cannabinoids aside from marinol, but now I am wishing I would have just to see what it is like. imo, the best part of cannabis is the taste and the way it feels in the lungs, so whatever really. Just a shame to see them take another liberty away.
 
im reading alot of posts saying its big with teenagers but honestly the user ratio is probably 1:100
k2:mj ..at least in my area and what ive heard
 
the marlboro man earned his salary and bonuses for the year. congrats!
 
DexterMeth said:
Pretty much man, pretty much. Fuck socialism.
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Do you actually mean 'Authoritarianism'? Socialism means worker or peasant control of the means of production....which could be an ANARCHIST society where all drugs are legal.....I would almost argue that state Communism is not even socialist, because the common people do not truly control the means of production, the state or party does.

You can also have fairly right-wing brands of authoritarianism, like fascism.
 
hey i wonder if they ban the jwh will that mean the other ones will fall under the anolog act
 
Not all of them are analogs, structurally. They would have to amend it to include 'anything not specifically deemed legal that can be used to alter ones consciousness in any way'....St Jons Wort will probably be illegal.
 
melange said:
everyone stocking up - you should stock up on said chems and not the shitty grass they spray it on

cut out the middle man
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well said loL! i personally dont give a fuck about fope, if they banned it i couldnt really care because it would not affect me as i do not use it. do i agree with them banning it? not really unless proven to be deadly to 5 out of 10 people. but i really couldnt care and to be honest when i see people smoking fope i laugh, but to each his own. then again even if it was proven to KILL 5 out of 10 people i still wouldnt agree with banning, aslong as people were informed of risks before taking then it is their decision to do to their body what they want. if someone chooses to do drugs it is their own choice but then ofcourse you have patriot act bullshit wants to controll your life as much as possible. NWO
 
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