Golden Ratio Fractal Patterns

[iChelsea]

Everytime I do LSD I see these Golden Ratio Patterns until i go to sleep after the trip. Does anyone else see these?

Kind of like this or something

For some reason I feel like theres some secret behind it...like some unknown truth that if discovered, could shake the foundations of our beliefs.

 

[Asyd420]

of course your going to see shit like this when you trip

 

[Aloysius]

yeh... But these things are /everywhere/, not just in LSD CEVs... Nature, space, the body, physics.... There sure is a profound truth in them, IMO, which is that mathematics is a universal language

 

[Aloysius]

i'll add that i think we see these things because the acid unlocks neuronal feedback activity that tells us something about the way these neurons work... And through these neurons, all of existence :D

if you have two phones, ring one with the other and put both on the handsfree speaker, you will hear resonance. The loudness, frequency and timbre depends on the properties of the phones used. In an acid trip, the visuals depend on the brain used! because brains satisfy the laws of physics, and in nature/physics recursive fractalesque behaviour is commonplace, you see stuff like that. It's a reminder of the awesome interconnectivity of all that is!

I love this shit

 

[iChelsea]

i'll add that i think we see these things because the acid unlocks neuronal feedback activity that tells us something about the way these neurons work... And through these neurons, all of existence :D

if you have two phones, ring one with the other and put both on the handsfree speaker, you will hear resonance. The loudness, frequency and timbre depends on the properties of the phones used. In an acid trip, the visuals depend on the brain used! because brains satisfy the laws of physics, and in nature/physics recursive fractalesque behaviour is commonplace, you see stuff like that. It's a reminder of the awesome interconnectivity of all that is!

I love this shit

Makes sense to me

of course your going to see shit like this when you trip

But its the same thing everywhere, in everything. And it just happens to be the golden ratio

 

[organicmusic]

I'm not denying what you're saying, but how are you sure you're visuals represent the golden ratio.

I've always had trouble "measuring" my closed eye visuals...

but do see fractals on lsd til I sleep for sure

 

[iChelsea]

I'm not denying what you're saying, but how are you sure you're visuals represent the golden ratio.

I've always had trouble "measuring" my closed eye visuals...

but do see fractals on lsd til I sleep for sure

I just assumed it was, its a spiral that spirals into itself forever. Can a spiral that does that have any other ratio?

 

[Si Dread]

i'll add that i think we see these things because the acid unlocks neuronal feedback activity that tells us something about the way these neurons work... And through these neurons, all of existence :D

if you have two phones, ring one with the other and put both on the handsfree speaker, you will hear resonance. The loudness, frequency and timbre depends on the properties of the phones used. In an acid trip, the visuals depend on the brain used! because brains satisfy the laws of physics, and in nature/physics recursive fractalesque behaviour is commonplace, you see stuff like that. It's a reminder of the awesome interconnectivity of all that is!

I love this shit

Tripping really should not be illegal, it should be compulsory! %)

 

[psood0nym]

I just assumed it was, its a spiral that spirals into itself forever. Can a spiral that does that have any other ratio?

Oh no! Here comes Captain Buzzkill to shit a golden ratio brick on this thread:

Nature does, it seem, favor the golden ratio. But not exclusively so. In my 2004 debunking article in "Devlin's Angle" I inadvertently let yet another falsehood slip in. I claimed there that you can find the golden ratio in the growth of the Nautilus shell. Not so. The Nautilus does grow its shell in a fashion that follows a logarithmic spiral, i.e., spiral that turns by a constant angle along its entire length, making it everywhere self-similar. But that constant angle is not the golden ratio. Pity, I know, but there it is.

It's when you leave the mathematical world and the natural world, however, that the falsehoods start to come thick and fast.

Numerous tests have failed to show up any one rectangle that most observers prefer, and preferences are easily influenced by other factors. As to the Parthenon, all it takes is more than a cursory glance at all the photos on the Web that purport to show the golden ratio in the structure, to see that they do nothing of the kind. (Look carefully at where and how the superimposed rectangle - usually red or yellow - is drawn and ask yourself: why put it exactly there and why make the lines so thick?)

Another spurious claim is that if you measure the distance from the tip of your head to the floor and divide that by the distance from your belly button to the floor, you get GR. But this nonsense. When you measure the human body, there is a lot of variation. True, the answers are always fairly close to 1.6. But there's nothing special about 1.6. Why not say the answer is 1.603? Besides, there's no reason to divide the human body by the navel. If you spend a half an hour or so taking measurements of various parts of the body and tabulating the results, you will find any number of pairs of figures whose ratio is close to 1.6, or 1.5, or whatever you want.

Then there is the claim that Leonardo Da Vinci believed the golden ratio is the ratio of the height to the width of a "perfect" human face and that he used GR in his Vitruvian Man painting. While there is no concrete evidence against this belief, there is no evidence for it either, so once again the only reason to believe it is that you want to. The same is also true for the common claims that Boticelli used GR to proportion Venus in his famous painting The Birth of Venus and that Georges Seurat based his painting The Parade of a Circus on GR.

The Myth That Will Not Go Away

 

[Solipsis]

I predict that the value vested here in the golden ratio will plummet as soon as the stock prices for gold drop like - yet another - brick.

 

[Termino]

Everytime I do LSD I see these Golden Ratio Patterns until i go to sleep after the trip.
For some reason I feel like theres some secret behind it...like some unknown truth that if discovered, could shake the foundations of our beliefs.

I don't know if these are actually 'Golden Ratio' patterns, but I have a suspicion that the various patterns seen while tripping are due to the waveforms of reality itself. Every molecule/atom/subatomic particle is in constant movement according to it's nature, and it may be possible that psychedelics help us to somewhat comprehend these movements, kind of like observing a faint current in a stream. Then again, according to some interpretations of quantum theories, everything exists as a wave before the act of observation collapses it into a particle. Perhaps the altered mind can somehow see an overlay of these waves (or wave probabilities) simultaneously with the particle aspect. Interesting stuff, but there's no way to achieve an objective conclusion.

 

[Solipsis]

I used to believe those things, but at the end of the day most explanations are found in our brain where the reality that we perceive actually lives. And it is there where psychedelics act, the waves you are talking about are probably your brainwaves that can be experienced when transcending the more mundane observations, just like many visuals are explained by witnessing operations our sensory processing faculties impose on incoming data - like contrast outlining, facial recognition, texture analysis and so forth. If you mess with those operations then what you get is cartooning, seeing faces in wood-textures, fluffy overlay etc. Not to mention real psychedelia that lets ideas and feelings overflow into what we see, feel and hear. For instance if I feel my friend has a masochistic evil vibe he can turn into a devil visually.

There is absolutely no reason at all to think the mind can swap from 'seeing' concepts formed by neurological patterns to a quantum scale. I fell into the trap of getting carried away by 'what the bleep do we know' bullshit but it's just a deep hope of new age protagonists using inconclusive and false evidence to try and link fields of science, psychology and theology together faster than we should.
Who knows what we will discover, being skeptic should not stand in the way of making some leaps for new theories IF you are really saying something with them. I was disillusioned when I thought about it some more and realized most of it was baked air and didn't really say anything specific at all. It sounds like you're on to something but in actuality it's nothing more than terminology that belongs in some field and applying it in another. It can help link sensible theories, but it can also pretend to. And that's a danger.

That said, mystical states in which we experience nothingness seem much more profound to interpret and it seems to me that only when we lose our ability to grasp concepts like we are used to do that some ultimate mystical truth could be experienced. But never ever comprehended I guess, and that's the way it apparently has to be, the languages used for those worlds are not compatible. We go from memetic to symbolic to more abstract and dualistic to unity where everything is destroyed, but remade once again when you come back from it.
Of course I don't mean to do what I just about resented earlier in this post but mysticism rejects that we can really know anything about these matters anyway so I don't mean to presume to make any real statements, it's just still wonderful to think about.
That's why I hate bashing other people, I am just saying all this as a fair warning to those tripping a lot and thinking so far outside the lines that they start missing the whole point of form in their thinking, so to speak.

 

[Termino]

I didn't say I believe those things, or in anything for that matter, but simply expressed one potential line of reasoning. Different and opposing lines of reasoning certainly exist in abundance. Quite frankly, the various pseudo-scientific hypotheses are amusing but somewhat pointless. Science can't really give us ultimate answers: it only offers more questions. Dogma helps stop questions but still doesn't furnish answers.

That said, mystical states in which we experience nothingness seem much more profound to interpret and it seems to me that only when we lose our ability to grasp concepts like we are used to do that some ultimate mystical truth could be experienced. But never ever comprehended I guess, and that's the way it apparently has to be, the languages used for those worlds are not compatible. We go from memetic to symbolic to more abstract and dualistic to unity where everything is destroyed, but remade once again when you come back from it.

^Very well stated. That said, indeed.

 

[paridiso]

There's a journal article up on erowid that talks about this. They think that the fractals and other geometric patterns people see while under the influence of LSD and similar drugs is due to the architecture of the cells in our prefrontal cortex. The LSD changes the way these cells transmit information to each other in such a way that our brains generate complex geometrical patterns where there are none.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Fascinating topic. The golden ratio. The cosmic spiral, uniting everything.

There's a reason Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni developed his 'Vitruvian Man' sketches using it. The golden ratio can be overlaid onto the human body in countless ways.

Just one of those amazing, mystical intersections of mathematics and the divine.

 

[nopipesdfw]

But its the same thing everywhere, in everything. And it just happens to be the golden ratio

Sacred geometry and symbols getting played on is part of the psychedelic experience ime for some reason or another.

 

[nopipesdfw]

There's a journal article up on erowid that talks about this. They think that the fractals and other geometric patterns people see while under the influence of LSD and similar drugs is due to the architecture of the cells in our prefrontal cortex. The LSD changes the way these cells transmit information to each other in such a way that our brains generate complex geometrical patterns where there are none.

The synchronization with real-time scenarios plus the context of the projection of visuals is the interesting part about it all for me.

Of course our brain has basic loop mechanisms with a physical basis if it has such things. I saw an interesting article from a while back about how honeycomb, web, and other shapes belong to exactly what you speak of, the "polyconstruction" of such into more ridiculous shit is one way to explain some of the stuff I have seen imo... except for quite a bit of shit!

 

[psood0nym]

Not to mention real psychedelia that lets ideas and feelings overflow into what we see, feel and hear. For instance if I feel my friend has a masochistic evil vibe he can turn into a devil visually.

This is an important distinction worth highlighting -- the difference between simple glitches in pattern recognition and the intelligent molding of symbols in accordance with mind states. The former is boring, the later, so fascinating, and, indeed, so revealing.

 

[nopipesdfw]

This is an important distinction worth highlighting -- the difference between simple glitches in pattern recognition and the intelligent molding of symbols in accordance with mind states. The former is boring, the later, so fascinating, and, indeed, so revealing.

Exactly! A genuine psychedelic experience shouldn't have you feeling like you are solely staring at some generic endless fractal poster, the intricacies in perception that seem to be shaped around whoever is taking the drug at the time is the confusing part.

 

[mi5]

Everytime I do LSD I see these Golden Ratio Patterns until i go to sleep after the trip. Does anyone else see these?

Kind of like this or something

For some reason I feel like theres some secret behind it...like some unknown truth that if discovered, could shake the foundations of our beliefs.

CEV - Ive flown though more colorful, brighter, moving, evolving, 3d versions of those on occasion.

Amazing.