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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread - Redosed

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Anyone try methylone with 5-MeO-DALT?
Sexy concept, no? I'm thinking about it.
 
moe.ron said:
made my day :D

so do you guys think once a week is too much? From a neurotoxicity standpoint? I mean I take plenty of antioxidants, vitamins, and 5htp when needed, but lately I've been thinking of cutting back just to help protect my brain. Or am I just being paranoid?
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I'm sure some people masturbate more than once a week. I don't think it's neurotoxic at all.
 
^yah because an orgasm is comparable neurotoxicty-wise to a massive release of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine streching over the course of 5 hours and 300 mg of methylone, ending with hours of harmful free radicals and oxidants sharing the same space as your brain 8)
 
moe.ron said:
made my day :D

so do you guys think once a week is too much? From a neurotoxicity standpoint? I mean I take plenty of antioxidants, vitamins, and 5htp when needed, but lately I've been thinking of cutting back just to help protect my brain. Or am I just being paranoid?
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I wouldn't do it more than a few times a year myself. I'll usually have 3-4 runs with empathogens per year. I believe either Ann or Sasha Shulgin said "Not more than once a season." Probably good advice, as it probably takes more than a week to re-regulate monamine levels & receptor downregulation subsequent to using a triple monamine releaser/reuptake inhibitor. And if you're knocking everything all wonky again before it has a chance to reset, you could potentially be doing some damage. All this being said, we don't know that much about the neurotoxicity of m1, and there are still plenty of things we don't understand about the neurotoxicity of MDMA, so it might not be as bad for you, or it could be worse. General consensus at the moment is that M1 is slightly less neurotoxic than MDMA, but slightly more cardiotoxic.

And generally speaking every weekend is too often for any empathogen or psychedelic. You're going to run into both diminishing returns as well as some potential physical problems. And lastly, if you stay that familiar with that headspace, it looses much, if not all, of its novelty, which also detracts from the experience.
 
This has been bothering me for a while: how do you pronounce methylone?
 
i would assume "methyl" like any other time, METH-ll

followed by the OWN of "ketone"

EDIT: that being said, I have a couple questions about first-time methylone dosage.

I have only attempted MDMA one time, supposed 100mg of tan powder molly from a highly reliable source. i can only assume that my gf and i had eaten too recently, or were smoking too much chronic, because i don't recall feeling anything at all from the molly. possibly just too low of a dose. that was a year or so ago.

my normal psychedelic tolerance is on the low end of normal. that is to say, i enjoy 2-3g of mushrooms or 18-22mg 2c-i. considering i have zero empathogen experience, what would be a good idea to shoot for first dose? i have a milligram scale. the set and setting will be my fiance and myself doing whatever we feel like doing. :)

from what i gather on erowid and here, most people like 175mg?
 
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^175-200 mg is pretty much my ideal dose (I find a redose pretty much mandatory, others are the opposite) if I dont have any tolerance... Since its your first time and if your a bit nervous you might only try 150, will still be enough to give you a good idea of whats going on but without being too weak or too strong either. I tried 100 mg my first time and was pretty let down imo, and sober within 2 and a half to three hours... Next time I took 250 mg and was beyond floored, but never uncomfterable (until the crash anyways). So I feel like its pretty easy and forgiving chemical as long as you dont mind a bit of excess stimulation.
 
Me and my company took some bk on friday at a psytrance party. About 250mg oral each. First 150 and after a few hours another 100. I think that's the magical dose for me.

I noticed that I was really 'numb' when urinating and I actually didn't feel that I was pissing. It's not a big deal but I did notice this. I asked my friends how is it for them but unfortunately I can't remember what they said ;D
Is there anybody else who has problems with this?
 
TimeKeeper said:
anyone know if it's safe with levitra?
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noone knows for sure exactly how safe it is, all i can say is others have tried it to great succes... (it is said that generally stims and vasodilators dont really agree that well, but keeping the doses moderate, there shouldnt be many problems).
 
šljiva said:
Me and my company took some bk on friday at a psytrance party. About 250mg oral each. First 150 and after a few hours another 100. I think that's the magical dose for me.

I noticed that I was really 'numb' when urinating and I actually didn't feel that I was pissing. It's not a big deal but I did notice this. I asked my friends how is it for them but unfortunately I can't remember what they said ;D
Is there anybody else who has problems with this?
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sry for posting again, im just bad with quoting different people in the same post.

anyway, ive always found to have some amount of trouble with urinating after methylone (mdai as well, although at higer doses). the trouble varied from pissing very often, to having bladder pain (like it being too full, altough it was not the case). they also seem to be worse if i redose (like each redose will make it worse), and also more noticeable when using on consecutive weekends.

actually it is symptoms like this that keep me from abusing this chem too often. they havent remained past the normal comedown from the chem though so i dont suspect permanent damage. just my guess though
 
I always found anything under 175 just isnt quite enough to trigger enough of a neurotransmitter "pulse" to cause the "Euphoria" rush at 45-60min... for me 150 is enough to feel as a stimmy glow, but I don't get that "Ahhhhh..." euphoric floaty tingly rush at 45-60min, it just does not occur unless I take at least 175. I always heard that redosing should occur within the 60-90min timeframe, but a friend just tried his first proper dose of 190mg (after a previous unsatisfying trial at 100), then did a redose of 100mg at 2hr point and found he DID get another Euphoria-rush, and not just more stim, so it sounds like 2hrs is probably the absolute latest timepoint for a redose. I suppose 150mg might be enough for smaller people than me, being 6'1" and 200lb. But I think the most common suggestion for minimum dose for "full effects" is usually said to be 175. If I want a stronger effect I ramp that up to as high as 200, but that's the point at which you start to get rapidly diminishing returns... the euphoria is never stronger past 200 I hear, just the raw stimulation that's overlaid atop that, and lingers long after. Then again plenty of people find raw stimulation itself to be "euphoric" so Your Mileage May Vary, but these are the most typical guideposts that the majority of "methylone experts" (like me, I am quite the M1 whore when I have it) will tell you.
 
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Hi guys, I am getting a batch of methylone for 'testing' and I was wondering if 250mg would be a good starting dose? I am very experienced with MDMA and psychedelics, so I think I should be able to handle the slightly higher dose. I aiming for a slightly more mellow MDMA-type high, where it's easier to interact with people who are not on MDMA.

MDMA is probably my favorite substance, but I often find that it's better to do it when everyone is on it. Doing MDMA at alcohol parties is fun, but I feel like I am missing out on some of the more 'high-end' effects of MDMA.

One of my friends suggested that a good way to compare methylone and MDMA is to to approach them in a 2:1 ratio. So 300mg methylone is approximately like a 150mg MDMA roll (but more mellow and less 'demanding' than MDMA).
 
I like to start low (150-200mg) and then take a few bumps if necessary (which usually happens). Everytime I took 250mg it was just like a burst of entactogen/stimulant feelings (emphasis on the latter) all of the sudden and I was 'stuck' in the moment, for example one time I did 250 me and my friend started talking in the car in front of the club we were going to and I didn't even notice that 2 hours simply disappeared. Don't get me wrong, it was beautiful but we weren't that 'productive' as we ment to be. And the jaw tension is quite noticable and it could be a little disturbing.
The last time I did bk I took 150mg and when the effects were coming up I was just talking with some friends I haven't seen a few months and it was just a normal, relaxed conversation expect I was slightly more inquisitive which they liked (they were 'only' drunk).
 
What about having a beer or two before dropping? Sometimes before dropping MDMA, I like to have 1 or 2 beers to ease the come up and to get into a good headspace. What's combining moderate amounts of alc + methylone like?

So 250mg seems to give people a lot stimulation, hmm. Yeah I think I'll start with something like 200mg. The thing is, with MDMA I usually like to dose high, around 150mg+, especially if I've already used MDMA in the past 6 months.

Well I am on a 2 month break from MDMA at the moment, so hopefully 200mg of methylone will be enough to feel good.
 
Alcohol is kind of necessary or should I say extremely welcome with methylone for me. The last time I took it I drank 1liter of wine before consuming, so yeah, alchohol works perfect with bk. Weed also.

I also usually prefer to dose high with MDMA but I think that with methylone it's more of a forced feeling of love and empathy which usually results in stimulation overwhelming those feelings. And the crash is harder with higher dose. If I take 250mg over the course of night I come down normally and relaxed.

I think 200mg will work out perfectly for you. One time a friend consumed 500mg at once and he said it lasted the whole night and that he enjoyed the whole experience very much but he is the type of person that likes overstimulation. If you're getting more than one dose of it you should definately try 200mg for your first time; one friend did around 250mg (maybe more, but not less) for the first time and he said the it felt like some good speed and he didn't like methylone from then. It's imporant to get a good first impression =]
Later on you can try 250mg to see the difference.
 
levictus said:
What about having a beer or two before dropping? Sometimes before dropping MDMA, I like to have 1 or 2 beers to ease the come up and to get into a good headspace. What's combining moderate amounts of alc + methylone like?

So 250mg seems to give people a lot stimulation, hmm. Yeah I think I'll start with something like 200mg. The thing is, with MDMA I usually like to dose high, around 150mg+, especially if I've already used MDMA in the past 6 months.

Well I am on a 2 month break from MDMA at the moment, so hopefully 200mg of methylone will be enough to feel good.
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Yea I would definitely suggest if you never did it before to start no higher than 200. You just cannot reliably extrapolate experience with drug A into how exactly drug B is going to hit you, even if they are similar or even related.
 
Would dissolving 3g of methylone in 1L of water and then measuring out 100ml be a good way to ingest methylone?

EDIT: What about taking methylone every two weeks? Will that eventually cause problems? What's the smallest recommended break period? (like for MDMA it's 1 month)
 
^ I wouldn't recommend this, because AFAIR cathinones in general aren't stable compounds in solution.

I had 1g of methylone dissolved 50ml of water, and it turned yellowish after 1 month of storage(kept from light at room temperature) and subjectively it lost 15-25% of potency(though it may be set&setting).

I can't really comment about safety of taking methylone often, and I am not sure if this is an indication of lesser neurotoxicity, but people report no "hangover" the next day after taking bk-MDMA.
 
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