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    Shooting Heroin into Leg? 
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    so i haven't had access to any clean needles, therefore i've been rotating these 3 that i do have and they're getting pretty dull now with 6 or 7 uses. i missed on both my arms, so i don't really have many options except for the vein on the inside of my lower leg (next to or along my shin). i've never shot up in the leg before, so is it going to be a lot harder to penetrate the skin down and there actually register in a vein as opposed to registering in the arm? also i want to slide the needle in so that the point is facing upwards towards my heart (same as the arm), correct? btw, i'm shooting BTH.
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    Can you go get some new needles? That's what I would do.
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    unfortunately i can't. they require a script or whatever at the walmart i used to get them from in my town. nearest place that does...2-3 hrs away...
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    I would say try on top of your hand, IME that's the easiest place for me to hit when all I had was dull needles because the vein is close to the skin and generally if you use what I call the tapping method (tapping the end of the gear into the skin) you shouldn't have to much trouble registering. But anyway good luck, and be careful and safe!
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    If you don't have access to needles, you shouldn't be shooting up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsui View Post
    unfortunately i can't. they require a script or whatever at the walmart i used to get them from in my town. nearest place that does...2-3 hrs away...
    Are you close to a needle exchange?

    At the very least, buy some more needles online.
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    Ok, I would recommend getting new needles, but I have found this trick to work great. Also, sidenote: I missed 12+ times the other night with brand new needles, everytime, draw blood, push a bit, AHHH, finally I hit and had to basically cry and get another bag because my arms were purpleish, anyways....

    • Get a razor blade, not from a razor or a thin one, but one you can easily hold and be able to apply significant pressure to.
    • Take a needle and put it on a hard surface (the hardest/most sterile you can think of). Angle the needle away from you, for example if you are standing at a table, you and the needle should be perpendicular.
    • Angle the razor blade towards you (opposite direction than needle point).
    • With pressure slide the razor down the tip of the needle, rotate, and continue. Do this several times, making sure to get the entire circumfrence of the needle.
    • Wash the tip in water, although doubtful, there could be metal scrapings, and I don't know what metal the tip/razor is, so could be harmful, but most likely minute/not, still should be sa
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    You will now have decently sharpened the tip of the needle, tap it with your finger and you'll easily notice it has gotten much sharper. If seen close up before/after pics of needles and doing this, works excellent. Just make sure you angle the blade correctly or you will make it worse, and dull the tip more.

    Also, for the record I've shot in hands/feet/arms/legs/pelvis area's before. (by pelvis, where your stomach and your leg connected, up and to the side of where your junk would be)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Never_Sober View Post
    I would say try on top of your hand, IME that's the easiest place for me to hit when all I had was dull needles because the vein is close to the skin and generally if you use what I call the tapping method (tapping the end of the gear into the skin) you shouldn't have to much trouble registering. But anyway good luck, and be careful and safe!
    I really hate to say that this is bad advice but it is; with a dull needle, your hand veins are the LAST ones you want to use. They are so small that the damage from a used needle typically causes your shot to not work, and worst of all it could cause the vein to collapse, or at least disappear only to come back days/a week or two down the road if you're lucky enough for it not to collapse.

    I would only recommend someone use their hand veins with a new needle. After one puncture, the needle really shouldn't be used for tiny veins, because they have less room for error/damage.
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    i was rather seeking out the answers to my questions. OBVIOUSLY i should use a new needle, so thanks for rubbing that in my face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsui View Post
    i was rather seeking out the answers to my questions. OBVIOUSLY i should use a new needle, so thanks for rubbing that in my face.
    Well unsui I sadly don't have any black tar heroin experience, nor would I willingly use a needle six or seven times over, so I am sorry to say I'm not sure what else I can offer as help or advice.

    I hope that whatever you choose to do works for you, and if you do choose to inject, I really hope you don't get any IV complications. No matter what type of IV complication you may acquire, they all suck, and it's never fun to experience one.

    Best of luck.

    One last thought; would you be willing to switch to smoking/water lining the BTH, at least until you can buy a box of needles online and it arrives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Never_Sober View Post
    I would say try on top of your hand, IME that's the easiest place for me to hit when all I had was dull needles because the vein is close to the skin and generally if you use what I call the tapping method (tapping the end of the gear into the skin) you shouldn't have to much trouble registering. But anyway good luck, and be careful and safe!
    OP don't do this, you will scar the shit out of your hands using a dull as needle. Get some really fine grit sandpaper and sharpen the needle tips as a last resort following the same angle they are already sharpened at. That's last resort though, if you can't get syringes at a store or local needle exchange then order them online (PO box if you live with parents, they're 9$ or something for a month), like DexterMeth said you shouldn't be shooting up if you don't have access to clean needles IMO, use a different ROA (which I know is hard once you're an IDU) until you can get new rigs...

    PS - Check out this Opiophile thread for some good excuses to need a bag of fits given to a IDU in a similar situation as you... good luck and try a few pharmacies, don't give up easily your body and veins will thank you in the long run, trust me.

    http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=32411
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamtasticX View Post
    [*]Get a razor blade, not from a razor or a thin one, but one you can easily hold and be able to apply significant pressure to.

    -exacto blade
    ..and I don't know what metal the tip/razor is, so could be harmful, but most likely minute/not, still should be sa[/LIST]fe.
    I'm not ragging on you, but you really shouldn't just automatically assume something so dangerous is safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterMeth View Post
    I'm not ragging on you, but you really shouldn't just automatically assume something so dangerous is safe.
    I made the assumption that the metal on the needle would most likely be safe, as I doubt using lead for tips would be a good idea, however, I in no way say it is safe, and suggest washing them to make them less dangerous, but with metalogical reports on tip/razor of course this could be very dangerous
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    how sharp can you get them?..compared to a 28, 29, 30, 31g etc?
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    i ordered a pack of needles last night and just wanted to get high today before i have to stop and wait for those to arrive. snorting/smoking is out of the question as my tolerance is way too high. and i'm not dumb enough to shoot up in my hands with a dull needle (ouch!). i guess nobody can answer my questions, so i'll ask a new one.... i just ended up shooting into a vein that i don't use often because i believe i had collapsed it around 2-3 yrs ago, but it's visible now and i've shot into it in a spot lower down my forearm. well i shot into it a little bit higher up by forearm (since there was a missed shot at the bottom) and i registered, and halfway thru the shot i began to feel a tingle sensation that would start to burn or something, yet the pain wasn't even near the injection site. i felt the pain, as i was shooting up, about 6 inches up my arm from the injection site and now it's all red as if i've missed a shot or something. anybody have any idea as to why this would occur?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsui View Post
    i ordered a pack of needles last night and just wanted to get high today before i have to stop and wait for those to arrive. snorting/smoking is out of the question as my tolerance is way too high. and i'm not dumb enough to shoot up in my hands with a dull needle (ouch!). i guess nobody can answer my questions, so i'll ask a new one.... i just ended up shooting into a vein that i don't use often because i believe i had collapsed it around 2-3 yrs ago, but it's visible now and i've shot into it in a spot lower down my forearm. well i shot into it a little bit higher up by forearm (since there was a missed shot at the bottom) and i registered, and halfway thru the shot i began to feel a tingle sensation that would start to burn or something, yet the pain wasn't even near the injection site. i felt the pain, as i was shooting up, about 6 inches up my arm from the injection site and now it's all red as if i've missed a shot or something. anybody have any idea as to why this would occur?
    It sounds like a histamine reaction, a histamine reaction can swell just as much, if not more so, than a missed shot, and it can get just as red. I'm not 100% certain or anything, but it's a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by DexterMeth View Post
    I'm not ragging on you, but you really shouldn't just automatically assume something so dangerous is safe.
    Yeah, for the the sake of harm reduction, I don't think anyone should attempt to sharpen a needle.
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    Well god damn everyone tore me apart on this one including the OP, in my defense I put IME, which obviously means it worked for me, assuming everyone here knows that it may not work for everyone is assumed, and OP don't cry about it hurting that comes with the territory and while I'm on the subject so do scars. Good night Bluelight thanks for my first flaming guys lol.
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    I have sharpened a needle it worked reasonably well im still here no major complications. Doesn't mean its good harm reduction advice as its not. Honestly if the needle is too dull for the arm its too dull period
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    sounds like a histamine reaction, to the op, they are nasty and swell up in weird ass shapes sometimes no where near the actual injection spot, but other than that they are fine
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    I read on here you can use the part of a match box where you strike the match to sharpen the needle, I have done it a few times when having a really dull needle and it works ok. It doesn't make it super sharp but when you have a needle that is real dull that requires you to push kinda hard to get it to go through, after sharpening there is barely any resistance anymore it pushes throught he vein much easier, but isn't completely sharp like a brand new needle. I would say after sharpening it feels like using a needle thats been used like 2 or 3 times before
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    Quote Originally Posted by affasd View Post
    I read on here you can use the part of a match box where you strike the match to sharpen the needle, I have done it a few times when having a really dull needle and it works ok. It doesn't make it super sharp but when you have a needle that is real dull that requires you to push kinda hard to get it to go through, after sharpening there is barely any resistance anymore it pushes throught he vein much easier, but isn't completely sharp like a brand new needle. I would say after sharpening it feels like using a needle thats been used like 2 or 3 times before
    i think my technique with a razor would be safer, as mine is actually sharpening a blade with metal, with a matchbox its filling the metal down
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    The matchbox technique is the safer of the two. Any kind of sharpening is filing, including doing it with a razor, but the matchbox will make a tip that is much more similar to the original, rather than a sketchy shank. Although I really wouldn't do either, just wait to get the new rigs in the mail. In my experience also, hand veins are the easiest to hit with a dull rig, if you MUST. Don't go for leg veins until you have none left in your arms that work.
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    I have had way better luck with leg veins than with hand veins, and hands and feet are notoriously hard to hit with dull rigs. I would be very wary about trying to sharpen your syringe tips yourself, this is very difficult to do and you could end up injecting the metal shavings, or making a barb on the end of the needle. I would just clean them and try easy-to-hit areas that don't have thick skin.

    But are you SURE you can't get new syringes?? I would try every pharmacy around and any grocery stores etc that have pharmacies or medical supplies. Dress nicely and look clean and as far from a stereotypical junkie as possible, look confident, ask for the syringes by name - instead of just saying "can I buy some syringes?" say something like "I'd like a package of BD 1CC insulin syringes please", or whatever brand and size you want or is common in your area. If they ask what you are using them for you can say you are from out of town and picking them up for your uncle who ran out, or some other cover story. If they ask to see a prescription say he didn't bring his prescription as he had no reason to think he would need it. If they say how do I know you're not using them for illicit purposes you can either get mildly offended and say "ma'am do I really look like a drug user?" or even be so bold as to say "you only have my word for it, but even if someone theoretically was going to use them for drugs, wouldn't you want them to be safe about it instead of using HIV-infected needles off the street?" Repeat this technique at every place that sells syringes until you luck out. Normally I've rarely had to get past the first step though.

    Anyway, if you can't or aren't willing to get fresh rigs, or you need some help hitting veins, I just wrote a huge post in a different thread with all my tips, here:
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/4...n.-HELP!/page3
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsui View Post
    so i haven't had access to any clean needles, therefore i've been rotating these 3 that i do have and they're getting pretty dull now with 6 or 7 uses. i missed on both my arms, so i don't really have many options except for the vein on the inside of my lower leg (next to or along my shin). i've never shot up in the leg before, so is it going to be a lot harder to penetrate the skin down and there actually register in a vein as opposed to registering in the arm? also i want to slide the needle in so that the point is facing upwards towards my heart (same as the arm), correct? btw, i'm shooting BTH.
    That makes me cringe.. rotating 3 needles ahh gross. You are correct but it's a real tough shot and IMO the veins roll a lot easier than arms. If you had someone do it for you whilie you lay on your stomach maybe. I wouldn't want to miss wiht bth down there though. You really want to avoid below the waste I hear.. something haveing to do with clotting possibly no idea. I have a buddy who religiously shoots in his feet though and has not had a problem as of yet.. and hes been doin it since his other veins died.

    Like what prevents someone from getting new pins? At teh very leaste order some over the net.. but damn yo thats horrible
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    Try using a new match book to sharpen the needles. Use the part where you strike the match like sand paper to sharpen the old syringe. A buddy of mine showed me this many years ago and it works great. IT WILL TAKE YOU ALL BUT 30 SECONDS AND YOU WILL HAVE 3 NEW SYRINGES. WELL NOT NEW BUT MUCH BETTER THEN WHAT YOU WHERE WORKING WITH. ALSO YOU DONT NEED A SCRIP TO GET SYRINGES. JUST ORDER THEM ONLINE. YOU CAN GET 2 BOXES OF 100 WITH SHIPPING FOR AS CHEEP AS $30
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