Anyways...now that I got that cleared up Ill tell about my opinion and why I voted for methadone.
Straight up, My experience with suboxone always sucked. i was on it for over a year and never had nothing but misery and failure.
Lightitup, IDK your experience with methadone, I think you really got some misconceptions about how it works. Iunno where you got the idea that if you cravin dope when you on the clinic, you can just use. It dont work that way at all. I mean, you CAN do it, but you aint gonna get high for shit. Any dose thats worth a fuck will block your dope. And all clinics are required to do random urine testing AT LEAST once a month, so you never know when you gonna go in the next day and get a piss test. You get a shitty not-even-high, no matter if you keep bootin double your dose you cant break thru and catch that rush and nod, the done just overpowers it completely, and then you never know when you gonna go in the next day and get handed a piss cup. you come up dirty, and your clinic can do all kinda shit. For example the dreaded "administrative detox" where they detox you as fast as legally possible for failing piss tests and not "complying", etc. You can get your dose reduced, lose your take homes, etc. It really aint some shit that you can just get high whenever you want if you feel like it, cuz for one you dont get high and second the consequences make it totally no worth it at all.
Thats why I feel the opposite of how you do. In my opinion, methadone does a way better job of stabilizing your life and keepin you off dope than sub. the done makes the dope worthless. You can take like, 30, 40 mg of done and still break thru kinda, but anything above that, at least in my experience and believe me i tried many many times, always just ends up as "blah". There aint no rush, you can barely feel the dope, it reallllly aint worth it. and if you only on 30 or 40mg of done and thats enough to hold you, you prolly didnt need to be on it anyways and woulda been ok with suboxone.
Now, about the shit u said about methadone is easier to keep using, you dont break free from that lifestyle, etc--I really disagree. Its just my opinion tho, neither one of us right or wrong but Im just swayin. This is my 2--
Suboxone is the ULTIMATE ENABLER...It makes it sooooo easy to stay in that junkie lifestyle and keep gettin high and never gettin nowhere. For me, suboxone is just treading water. So many people just use it to avoid bein sick when they gotta stop using. Its "withdrawal insurance". Sure if you using it and really trying to get clean thats different, but Ima get to that later-For me, it was impossible to get clean usin sub even when i really tried, becuz it sucked so bad and was such a piece of shit, ineffective garbage drug.
But, before i get into that, i just wanted to say that just like mad people on here, I used on sub all the fuckin time. Suboxone makes it sooooo fuckin easy to just jump on and off back and forth. IMO, Methadone is WAAAAAAY more likely to keep you on a long term dope free existence than sub. In a clinic you cant skip a dose or the will half your dose the next day, and if you skip a dose you get a immediate piss test the next day in most places too. So, if you want to get high you cant just not show up and skip your dose so you can use or u gonna end up with definate consequences. With sub you can just stop anytime you want, take 2mg at 9 in the morning and by 5 that afternoon you can be bootin dope without a care in the world. You can take sub all week long and then get high on the weekend and do that shit indefinitely. For me , sub made the lifestyle of staying on dope sooo easy, and it gave me no reason to quit. I could just do dope as long as i wanted then when i ran out of money or dope I could just take my sub and avoid bein sick til i could cop again. It just kept me in that cycle.
And when i finally did try to really get my shit together on sub....forget about it. Fuckin trash-ass bullshit piece of shit excuse for a treatment. I always, constantly felt like shit. regardless of my dose, from 16 to 20 to 32 mg, no matter wat I took (and my doc would put me up higher when i told him i was still hurtin) i never felt 100%. I always felt like i was still sick. sub made me feel like, 65% not sick and still 35% sick. I never got good relief from it. I could never sleep, and i had the worst fuckin depression on that shit. It wasnt just the "i aint on dope" depression, i actually felt better MENTALLY, when i wasnt on sub and was sick, than i did on it. obviously the physical WDs made me have to take the sub, but my mental state was better when i wasnt on it, shit was like it actually triggered depression in me, it was mad weird. Seriously, every hour i spent on Suboxone was like pure fucking torture. i absolutely despise that fuckin drug. It never did shit for me, it just wasted my time and money for a long time. Like i said--dont put it off on me not trying. Cuz yea, for a long time i just used it as a way to keep gettin high witout havin to kick. But once i did really honestly give sobriety a shot on that shit, it did NOT help me at all, not in the slightest. all i could ever think about was when i could get high again and how bad i wish i could be high, etc.
On methadone its like the COMPLETE opposite. Seriously this shit saved my fuckin life. From day 1 of being on it, its like i was a totally new person. I been on it over a year now and yo, word bond, i am so much of a different person that it aint even believable. its just absolutely insane how different I am now with the methadone.
Cravings for dope? Methadone straight DEADED that shit, oh my god, it straight up STOMPED the FUCK outta my dope cravings. Its like it goes in my brain and hits all those good pleasure spots that dope used to hit, without all the bullshit associated with dope, without a high, but just doin all the good shit that dope used to do as a self-medication, you know? its like magic, god damn I love the things it does for me.
Another issue for me is that I got in a car accident a few years ago and fucked up my back, and had a injury at one of my old jobs and on top of both of those I did manual labor for a few years. I got a LOT of back pain. Without any opiate meds, I literally cant walk straight without a limp cuz the pain shoots down my leg. I cant move certain ways, i get "stuck" in certain positions and the pain is so bad that i cant move myself and got to have somebody actually pick me up and move me. That pain was with me so bad when i was on Suboxone. it didnt do SHIT for pain. It was horrible. Im sure that was part of why i was so miserable on it too, becuz i was sufferin all the time and couldnt move around that great. The Methadone straight up annihilates pain. Well, not quite, im on 90mg and I can still feel intense pain THRU that 90mg alot of the time, but the point is that without it, Id be a fuckin cripple. methadone is a seriously wonderful painkiller, its better IMO than oxy, and even Opana. nothing comes close to it for long term, heavy duty pain relief. So for me personally thats one more thing that makes me love it, even tho the majority of people aint got that situation and is strickly lookin at it from a addiction treatment point of view.
it also helps that I dont go to a clinic for my done. I get a script from a doctor, for pain management. i HAVE been a patient of the clinic in the past , twice.
And i would say, that EVEN GOING TO A CLINIC, Methadone STILL wins for me, HANDS DOWN.
I rather go to the clinic every fuckin day of the week and get my dose than go to a Sub dr. once every 2 months for a refill. Real talk, it aint no question. Methadone is the best treatment that is available, IMO. For me, in my experience, suboxone aint nothing like the miracle drug that its suppose to be.
I honestly believe that for some people, sub just dont work. I have noticed that for people who have smaller dope habits, and who are hooked on painkillers instead of heroin, suboxone seems to work great. matter fact, for somebody who is addicted to Oxy or somethin like that, I would actually discourage them from going on Methadone--like i have heard ppl here before say, its like using a sledgehammer to kill an ant.
but all the people I known who was some serious dopeheads, who had a heavy duty habit, methadone has been the only option that helped them. i know it was that way for me. And my habit wasnt even that huge. But for people who only do like, a bundle a day, 15 bags a day, a half a g or a g a day, sub seems to hold them OK. Its the people who do half a brick, 30 bags, a brick a day, that need methadone. thats just my totally un scientific opinion based off the shit I seen in myself and my friends, but take it for wat you want to.
