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    Is effexor a good drug to take recreationally? If yes how much should I take and what are the effects?
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    Definitely not. Effexor is an anti-depressant/SSRI medication, similar to Prozac or Zoloft. It will not provide any sort of recreational effect, and in my experience it's not a very good anti-depressant either. I was on it for several months, and when I quit it took me over 6 months to taper off, and I had some very annoying withdrawal symptoms still.

    Also, if you're taking it, be careful mixing it with Alcohol, 5-HTP, or other SSRI meds.
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    i hated effexor^^ i believe its an SNRI not an SSRI... now i'm on escitalopram (SSRi) and its completely chaned my life... i do sport every day.. only problems, its make my insomnia even worse...
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    I think all the SNRIs SSRI etc cannot be taken recreationally because they take weeks to build up in your body. As far as I know only stim ADHD meds are able to be taken recreationally because their effect is immediate (well within minutes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatass View Post
    i hated effexor^^ i believe its an SNRI not an SSRI...
    Yeah, you're right.. SNRI.. Thank you for the correction. And yes, I hated it so very, very much..

    Although I'm not very much for any kind of SSRI/SNRI's these days.. I had much better luck with 5-HTP personally.. And sometimes I would add St. John's Wort..

    Although.. Know what's worked for me, and has had the best anti-depressant properties I've ever experienced? Ibogaine... It's incredible. Flood doses, low doses.. It's amazing, and there are so many different ways to use it. And, since it has a cumulative effect, you can take it daily at sub-psychoactive doses, and over time it builds up, and it's natural SSRI effects are breathtakingly noticeable.
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    I've been on anti-depressants in the past and none of them seemed to do what they were intended to do with the exception of Effexor...an SNRI...so I was fond of it BUT it has no recreational effects, just like all SSRI/SNRI antidepressants.
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    SNRI's, SSRI's, and pretty much any other antidepressant has no recreational potiential whatsoever. when i was on prozac, it actually made my depression worse and gave me anxiety.

    now amphetamines and benzos keep my problems at bay...
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    I read somewhere that effexor is nearly identical to tramadol in it's SNRI properties, I don't know how true it is, but I find Tramadols SNRI effects the Best part of it's recreational ability, it wakes me up, stimulates me, makes me productive and puts me in a good mood and ready to take on the world, This is why I enjoy Tramadol so much and this happens in the few hours I take the Tram not over a built up amount of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpayne View Post
    I read somewhere that effexor is nearly identical to tramadol in it's SNRI properties, I don't know how true it is, but I find Tramadols SNRI effects the Best part of it's recreational ability, it wakes me up, stimulates me, makes me productive and puts me in a good mood and ready to take on the world, This is why I enjoy Tramadol so much and this happens in the few hours I take the Tram not over a built up amount of time.
    effexor is similar to tramadol, but it does not affect opioid receptors.

    also, tramadol's SNRI effect is not the "best part", it's (weak)opioid effects are the "best part". and all the benefits you described from tramadol is actually consistant with opioid effects. tramadol's "antidepressant" effects actually limit it's abuse potiential.
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    wakes me up, stimulates me, and makes me productive, hmmmm tramadol is the ONLY one that does all this, codeine puts me in a good mood but makes me sleepy, oxycodone, makes me euphoric but I don't feel like doing A DAMN thing, Tramadol however within a half hour makes me jump up out of my seat and start working on projects I've put off all month, your telling me this is due to the WEAK mu receptor binding and not to the SNRI effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpayne View Post
    your telling me this is due to the WEAK mu receptor binding and not to the SNRI effects?
    yes.
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    I just started Effexor (Venlafaxine). Been on it almost 3 weeks now. Only at 75mg/day. Its hard to tell right now if it is helping better than any previous antidepressants I have been on. (Paxil, Cipralex, Luvox). If this doesn't work, I think I will just switch back to Escitalopram (Cipralex). Although I can't remember if this was any good or not because I was always using drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpayne View Post
    wakes me up, stimulates me, and makes me productive, hmmmm tramadol is the ONLY one that does all this, codeine puts me in a good mood but makes me sleepy, oxycodone, makes me euphoric but I don't feel like doing A DAMN thing, Tramadol however within a half hour makes me jump up out of my seat and start working on projects I've put off all month, your telling me this is due to the WEAK mu receptor binding and not to the SNRI effects?
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    yes.
    No.

    Having read some posts in this forum by bpayne in the past it appears he has a opiate tolerance.
    The effects he describes would not be from the mu-receptor effects of the metabolite of tramadol.
    Especially with an opiate tolerance.
    As bpayne stated the SNRI effects are a more likely source.
    I would agree with his hypothesis.
    Regardless this doesn't pertain to the OP's question that much but I digress.
    Just wanted to help clear up the statements made, however, as in non naive individuals tramadol's mu activity is un-likely to be the source of the stimulation.
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    effexor gets me so fucked up.

    the euphoria is the best! i love anti depressants for recreational use!!!!

    duhhh...anti depressant= euphoria

    obviously it gets u high.............




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    I have to agree with bpayne and IndustrialStrength.

    Tramadol also causes a sudden release of serotonin. This is what really gives tramadol it's special little kick. I've been using it for for years and if I run out, I use hydrocodone or oxycodone to help with tram wds. And although the hydro and oxy make me feel great...it just isn't the same as tramadol. They make me drowsy and even a little apathy. Tramadol on the other hand makes me empathetic, motivated, confident, talkative, happy and I'm talking bright sunshine happy.

    Even morphine fails to deliver me the feeling that tramadol does.

    Wait. This thread is about Effexor. We really shouldn't get off topic I guess. :P
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    For everyone talking about trying out different anti-depressants, and not having luck with them.. I highly, highly recommend looking into low doses of Ibogaine over an extended period of time. It's physiological effects are still not very well understood, but it definitely has SSRI effects, and the cumulative effects of noribogaine are, in my opinion, what make it so incredibly effective.

    After my first flood dose of Ibogaine, I was still feeling it's effects two months later. And when that started to wean I began using booster and micro doses.

    Even at sub-psychoactive doses you can tell that it's building up in you over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_phreedom View Post
    For everyone talking about trying out different anti-depressants, and not having luck with them.. I highly, highly recommend looking into low doses of Ibogaine over an extended period of time. It's physiological effects are still not very well understood, but it definitely has SSRI effects, and the cumulative effects of noribogaine are, in my opinion, what make it so incredibly effective.

    After my first flood dose of Ibogaine, I was still feeling it's effects two months later. And when that started to wean I began using booster and micro doses.

    Even at sub-psychoactive doses you can tell that it's building up in you over time.
    How do you "dose" Ibogaine. Do you take it everyday or like every week? Don't know much about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_phreedom View Post
    For everyone talking about trying out different anti-depressants, and not having luck with them.. I highly, highly recommend looking into low doses of Ibogaine over an extended period of time. It's physiological effects are still not very well understood, but it definitely has SSRI effects, and the cumulative effects of noribogaine are, in my opinion, what make it so incredibly effective.

    After my first flood dose of Ibogaine, I was still feeling it's effects two months later. And when that started to wean I began using booster and micro doses.

    Even at sub-psychoactive doses you can tell that it's building up in you over time.
    Um no... way too expensive, plus it's gonna put you in loony land...
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    ibogaine is rare and unpredictable(its a powerful hallucinogen), and even though its not dangerous/toxic it really wouldn't make for a good antidepressant. it does well for treating drug addiction, but it is illegal and rare in the U.S.

    i'd look into other hallucinogens like LSD, ketamine, or MDMA(which have proven positive theraputic effects and are much easier to obtain) for treatment of psychological problems.
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    It's actually not that expensive if you just buy the root bark. You can get several grams for $20 or so.

    And no, it won't put you in loony land at sub-threshold doses..

    There are basically three ways to use Ibogaine.

    A flood dose is usually 18mg/kg or more. This will knock you on your ass for at least a couple days, but the effects last for months.

    A booster dose is something more like 2-4mg/kg, and these can be done with root bark alone (for floods you'd need 25+ grams of rootbark, so either Ibogaine HCL is used, or Ibogaine TA which is a total alkaloid extraction from the root bark, that can be purchased like that, or extracted at home). A booster dose WILL be felt, but the effects are mostly gone after 8 hours or so, and you can still function, though I wouldn't recommend working or anything on that. After the main effects wear off, the glow will last for days.

    And then there's micro dosing, which are sub-threshold doses of 1mg/kg or lower. It really doesn't matter how little you take, as long as you keep taking it. Ibogaine breaks down into noribogaine, which is believed to be stored in fat cells, contributing to it's cumulative and long acting effect in the body.

    So if you don't want to land in loony land, you can take microdoses daily for a few weeks or so, and you'll end up getting all the effects you need that way. Ibogaine is a really really magical substance and has so many uses. I used it to quit heroin, but was floored at how well it works for depression too.

    Flood doses aren't ever really needed more often than every 6 months at the most. Though for most people, one time is all it takes.

    Boosters can be used every 1 to 2 weeks, for a couple months or so.

    And microdoses are daily, or at least 3-4 days a week, for several months.

    Another great thing about Ibogaine is that you will know when you don't need it anymore.. It can be unpleasant, but I don't know very many people who use it for recreation.. I take it when I feel it can help me, and not any more often. The great thing is the more I use it, the more I can tell I don't need it as much anymore.
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    And yes, it's rare.. But I wouldn't say unpredictable. It's become much more scientific in the past few years. There's a LOT of information about it out there.

    And although it is "rare", it's not as hard to get as everyone thinks. There is a very active "Ibogaine Underground" in the US.
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    A little bit similar to Tramadol
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