I just wanted to add my 2cents. I've had a few experiences with subuxone; right now I'm trying to get high on H after 24hrs of doing 16mgs of subuxone; actually its now more like 28 hrs, and I do feel the H. What happened was, I got 5 8mg subuxone from my dealer, for free. I decided I'd eventually taper off the stuff, and get clean. Previously, coming from Vicodon, I'd started using Sub, and it got me pretty high. Now I figured one 8mg sub would be a good induction dose to sub. Wrong. I was doing half gram shitty mexican H for about three months, snorting. What happened my dealer was incommunicado on Thanksgiving, I only had a 1/4 bag for the whole day. By the following morning I was really withdrawing, and half-assedly decided to get on subs and go for the taper; problem was, it took 16mg just to stabilize, and that still not completely. Part of it was I was freaking out cuz I had to go to work. Now I'm trying to get high 28 hrs later on H again, cuz the subs are nearly gone. Well, a little bit seems to work. The best way, unless you are IN rehab and doing a short detox sub tapr, is just cold turkey off whatever opiate. Subs stay so long in your system, its the worst withdrawal ever because it takes so long. Just avoid subs, altogether. They are satan.