Using opiates as an antidepression

[TheLostBoys]

I just wish this thread would fucking die and go to hell. All of the comments that have been made for the pro side... Just Fuck. Your opinions are treading water in a sea of retarded backwardity, yet they haven't drowned yet; it's baffling. This thread has taken years off of my life, my 19 year old hair is going gray, and with every post the "pro-side" has made, I have lost a little bit of faith in the collective intuition of my fellow man. I hope you're all happy with yourselves. I'm now going to go drink until I forget about half the shit these four pages has tormented me with.

And again, excellent big brother comment. I'm beginning to doubt that you've ever read this book (It's called 1984 by George Orwell by the way...), Big Brother would probably love to keep all of the people in Britain (Airstrip One) on opiates to better control them, and keep them in a constant, zombified state of suspended animation. Which is what opiates inevitably do. However, resources are stretched thin by the never ending war being fought throughout the novel, making mass production of opiates practically impossible. You are entitled to your opinions, but please don't spread you're cretinous philosophical filth and theories to one of the greatest works of modern literature in existence, and one of my favorite books. That my friend is one thing that easily offends me.

I've read your last several points, and there is just so much to say in response, but it would be an insult to my own character to address each one individually. The alleged universal harm of antidepressants, the DEA stopping your theories from working, doctor's being scared of prescribing pain medication for depression? May god have mercy on your soul lostboys...

Seacrest out

Do I detect sarcasm? It seems you have tried every opiate known to man & have fallen victim to it with bad results but I doubt the slavery anti-depressants have caused are much better. If you dont like coming into this thread & being mentally challenged with conversation of the pros & cons of both anti-depressants & opiates, I suggest you not enter.

Ive heard of George Orwell & the book but I never read it. My saying of "big brother" is just referring to the public putting their trust in the government & believing everything they read & see on tv. Your Orwell book is safe in the mind of the reader, it cant be tainted.

I see you edited you last post several times to make it seem like you have some intelligence of counter attacking my knowledge of the truth on anti-depressants. Um...I never said doctors are scared to prescribe opiates for depression, I was telling the previous poster that doctors are scared to prescribe vicodin & other pain meds to people with real pain because he stated in his post that his doctor wouldnt prescribe him Vicodin for his pain, never said for depression, please go back & read what I wrote. I dont blame you for your lack of knowledge, you are only 19 & as you get older, you will learn from your mistakes.


Good day to you Richards!

 

[dokomo]

A girl giving me a blow job is addictive & euphoric as well but getting a bj & taking opiates are not comparable & they dont work for everyone the same way.

Your post exemplifies the problem of trying to argue something that is a matter of medicine and science with a person who (no offense intended) is well-versed in neither.

Euphoria and related mood-boosting effects are all that provide relief from depression from opioids. These effects are quickly engulfed by tolerance, which is also a matter of science. It might happen differently, at different rates, etc but it always happens. If you've taken them for a year or more and still think they're helping, its much more likely a placebo effect.

Medication can help, but it is also important to remember than not all anxiety/depression is bad. It motivates behavior to change. To get out of bad relationships, change our circumstances, etc for the better. When environmental factors are causing depression or anxiety, it is always best to change these factors first.

 

[ugly]

@Keif' Richards: You are trippin! That was quite a post.

I'm on Lexapro for depression, but antidepressants are maintenance drugs. I have to take 20 mg every day and I had to let it build up my system before I started feeling like I didn't want to just cry all the time. I was on Prozac for a long time, too long I think, because by the time I realized it wasn't working, I was a full on basket case again. The Lexapro is expensive, but I haven't tried to kill myself so it is working.

I like to snort oxycontin sometimes because it makes me feel great. I can understand the concept of it lifting somebody out of an event-caused depression. Oxy makes everything seem so sweet for a time. I would never consider using oxy for my depression, as mine is with me all the time and has been for many years, so I take maintenance doses daily to keep depression at bay.

I like other drugs for the ^way up there^ feeling I get. Not "anti-depressed" but actually very happy. I find that both opiates and methamphetamine will make me happy in different ways and I enjoy the somewhat intense chemical joy from time to time. Plain and simple: I take antidepressants so I won't feel like killing myself, and I take other substances to get high, and by high, I mean energetic, smiling, laughing and enjoying myself immensely.

 

[Violenza666]

Your post exemplifies the problem of trying to argue something that is a matter of medicine and science with a person who (no offense intended) is well-versed in neither.

Euphoria and related mood-boosting effects are all that provide relief from depression from opioids. These effects are quickly engulfed by tolerance, which is also a matter of science. It might happen differently, at different rates, etc but it always happens. If you've taken them for a year or more and still think they're helping, its much more likely a placebo effect.

Medication can help, but it is also important to remember than not all anxiety/depression is bad. It motivates behavior to change. To get out of bad relationships, change our circumstances, etc for the better. When environmental factors are causing depression or anxiety, it is always best to change these factors first.

Opiates are like viagra to my husband.. lol shit is amazing... lulz

 

[ugly]

Opiates are like viagra to my husband.. lol shit is amazing... lulz

Opiates do that to me sometimes too... I can get pretty frisky after 60 or 80 mg of oxy, and my husband does not know I do substances illegally, but if he ever finds out, he will appreciate how much more sex we have had, lo these many years, because I have a sexual side that really hops out and goes to town when I take stuff.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Your post exemplifies the problem of trying to argue something that is a matter of medicine and science with a person who (no offense intended) is well-versed in neither.

Euphoria and related mood-boosting effects are all that provide relief from depression from opioids. These effects are quickly engulfed by tolerance, which is also a matter of science. It might happen differently, at different rates, etc but it always happens. If you've taken them for a year or more and still think they're helping, its much more likely a placebo effect.

Medication can help, but it is also important to remember than not all anxiety/depression is bad. It motivates behavior to change. To get out of bad relationships, change our circumstances, etc for the better. When environmental factors are causing depression or anxiety, it is always best to change these factors first.

You're right, not all anxiety/depression needs to be medicated. There are many reasons why people get anxiety & depression & its good to try & figure out why they are in the state they are in before jumping into meds. Example: a bad marriage/relationship that you need to get out of to get yourself back to normal again.

 

[dokomo]

Opiates are like viagra to my husband.. lol shit is amazing... lulz

They have the same effect on me. Make me horny as hell and last forever! People talk about meth and other stims as being the "sex drug" but IME opioids are excellent for this as well. Plus I think meth can give one problems getting it up in certain situations, right?

 

[100mgbluepill]

They have the same effect on me. Make me horny as hell and last forever! People talk about meth and other stims as being the "sex drug" but IME opioids are excellent for this as well. Plus I think meth can give one problems getting it up in certain situations, right?

Opiates can do the same thing as far as getting it up, and i know from personal experience when im too fucked up on oc i can only get up or like a minute and i can completely forget about getting off. But if i do the right amount it makes the whole experience fucking bomb.

 

[the-hated]

i usally read other pplz responses to make sure i don't repeat someone but there are just to many. idk if your still reading back on this post but in case you are let me just say a few things.

all the meds you took are not antidpressants, you are taking benzos (xanax) and antipshcyotics (seroquil) thats why you feel tired and lazy. seroquil happens to be the most sedative of all antispychotics.

just so were on teh same route, antipsychotics are the excat opposite of anti depressants, antidepressants help your brain to absorb the happy chems while anti spychotics makes sure you dont in order to make sure you dont go out of control which is why there ment for ppl with schizophrenia and server bi poloar.

my guess is you told them your major problem is your panic attacks, xanax will help to a mild point as well as other benzo's but try asking for a acutal antidepressant. theres two main generes of anti depressants and a thrid wildly unknown genre. you say you tried antidepressants but from the drugs you listed you have not tried any actual antidepressants. most doctors don't tell you the whole story of what your taking so don't be to harsh on them if they said it was a antidepressant, those drugs can be used for depression but its not their purpose.

try telling them your depressed, talk about the down moods. seems like the only reason you want opiates is to get through the depression well maybe you can find a antidepressant that can actully help, just to list a very small few zoloft(SSNI), effexsor, prestiq (SSNRI) or welburtin(NRI + dopamine reuptake) i think a combo of real antidepressants and anti anxity like the benzos would help you at least some what.

try new options, it is unlikly you will get opiates as a regualt prescript as long as your not over 40 years old lol

read on what meds your doc gives you, hope you have a psychatirst and not just a family doctor play psychatirst.

so try some real antidepressants, say no to the antispcyhotics caz you obviously are not bad enough to need them or else you wouldnt feel tired.

 

[100mgbluepill]

I have been taking anti depressants since i was 13, i was just listing the ones i remember but i know ive gone through 7 for sure. None of them helped, i cant even recall anything i did when i was in jr high because i was so fucked up on meds. At this point im done with trying new shit and just want something that will work. Drinking the kratom everyday has helped but i still have my downers later in the day and sleeping is still a problem. I have been trying t source some dried poppy pods so i can make some tea out of it but it seems everybody is out so when i get some ill have an update and let you guys know if it works.

 

[benzofan]

First thing I need to take an opiate in order to to read your paragraph

TRAMADOL 100mg tabs extended relase is cool for a moderate depression (it works all the day with 200 mg in one go). First studies on TRAMADOL were for its anti depressant effects, but like all opiates you become addicted. Then TRAMADOL is not considering as a true antidepressant


And I don't know if it works well if you daily take stronger Opiates like OXY, BUPE or others...

For me no doubt that TRAM is better than all fucking side effects of a "real" antidepressant (e.g. Venlafaxine...)

 

[Specterchild]

I take Suboxone twice a day for addiction maintenance, and i do feel a slight positive mood change an hour after taking it. But this could very well just be placebo.

If your asking if it could be used as an anti-depressant the answer is yes, but you could say the same thing could be said about ecstasy. Bottom line is this would be like taking a Xanax every time your order French fries comes out cold. And no doctor with any concern for the patient would prescribe an opiate for depression.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Suboxone is actually one of the safest opiates you can give one for it's mood lift.

For others, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, etc... Hell no.

 

[averagejoeforever]

opiates own it cures deppresion and makes u feel happy and chilled i have taken em all codiene tramadol morphine and none even compare too the tea i drink it once a week makes me feel happy and floaty for 7 hours straight

 

[Specterchild]

opiates own it cures deppresion and makes u feel happy and chilled i have taken em all codiene tramadol morphine and none even compare too the tea i drink it once a week makes me feel happy and floaty for 7 hours straight

Are you referring to Kratom? Way too expensive...

 

[TheLostBoys]

opiates own it cures deppresion and makes u feel happy and chilled i have taken em all codiene tramadol morphine and none even compare too the tea i drink it once a week makes me feel happy and floaty for 7 hours straight

Are you referring to pod tea?

 

[shoolameet]

I dont think you understand that i did try and deal with my problems, for 5 years in fact and that got me no where. All i want is to feel apathetic about life, if i have to take a pill everyday to be happy then why the fuck not? That sure beats the hell out of contimplating suicide everytime i turn around.

Can you explain to me what methadone maintenance is? Would i have like a personal nurse around or could a family member help with the dosing? Any info is appreciated..

Sub maintenance is very good (I am on it,) but as a heads up, you should know that you don't get that regular opiate buzz/euphoria. It is mostly meant to kill cravings and prevent withdrawals. It can also work as an anti-depressant in some individuals.

And on 'done maintenance,
From wiki (not my favorite source, but the description they give is good enough):

"Methadone maintenance has been used to treat opioid dependence for more than 45 years. Therapeutic dosing is contingent upon individual patient needs, and the therapeutic dosage range is generally between 25–150 mg. Such a dose would likely not be tolerated by an opioid-naive individual. Methadone is taken orally and is rapidly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract, appearing in plasma within thirty minutes of being ingested. Methadone is also widely distributed to body tissues where it is stored and then released into the plasma. This combination of storage and release keeps the patient comfortable, free from craving, and feeling stable.

With the emergence of several treatment options such as buprenorphine and heroin treatment (Switzerland & U.K.) since 1990 many professionals no longer hold with the opinion of the General Accounting Office and maintain that buprenorphine or detoxification are superior. This trend is being expanded in the Western U. S. in the Human Services field.

Methadone maintenance generally requires patients to visit the dispensing or dosing clinic daily, depending on state controlled substance laws. Most states allow Methadone clinics to close on Sundays and provide medication (take homes or exception doses)prior to the closed day/s. States may require or mandate drug testing, in clinic drug abuse groups and/or outside Alcoholics and Narcotics Anonymous meetings. Generally, after 90 days take home medication and group meetings privileges are extended to more take homes and less mandated meetings. After several 90 day periods of negative drug tests and attendance to necessary meetings a patient may be allowed to only return to the clinic once a month to receive 30 days of methadone. Methadone, at constant daily miligram doses will stabilize patients and relieve all withdrawal symptoms. Patients will not feel the usual "high" or "euphoria" associated with methadone, other opiates, or heroin abuse."

 

[100mgbluepill]

Are you referring to Kratom? Way too expensive...

Kratom is cheap, i can get an ounce of bali for $17 from my local headshp

 

[Ne0]

It could be a good idea if you had endless supply of free pure opioids.

 

[DiRtYjErZ]

In reality I honestly don't think any of these are permanent fixes. And tho I kno myself included that everyone wishes for opiates to b freely legal or at least dispensed for treatment of Depression at least in the US this will never happen. Tho I'd argue that antidepressants as with most meds do create dependency just as opiates do and the w/d from an SSRI can be alot worse then opi w/d. Any thoughts on this?