4-MeMABP

[Phener]

The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?

yeah exact effect, p****ed of the whole "research chemical" thing had gone public and yeah for once thought it WAS dangerous for so many people to be doing this. People didn't know of RCs or plant food but all of sudden your neighbour who popped to the local grocery knew more about RCs. Particularly annoyed about methylone, not the best but that was excatly why it wasn't so feindish and crazy - got to try some WAY back but was keen to get a small supply for future as it was so cheap. The serious shame with all cathinones blocked means future exploration done this area is pointless from UK stand, having had to put up with the annoying PEA catch all and missing out on all the RC's hitting USA (well officially missing out, some dared), was hoping some more interesting cathinones might crop up (or even be release in shulgins books)

Btw, Fnb: Phenmetrazine analogues are the only stims that still interest me these days. It'd be interesting to see research there.[/color]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=496425&highlight=quack particularly Oxaflozane looks V.INTERESTING in terms of 5ht1a agonism so if only shulgin could do a TEN year job on phenmetrizines am sure there would be some amazing compounds to be found, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxaflozane

GTR ^agreed, the mephedrone madness was a unique phenomenon never before seen in the UK and probably never to be seen again. When things started to get really silly in the 6 months prior to the ban, when it came onto the media radar and the masses of the general public became aware of it, it even had people who would normally have been very casual drug users, who would hitherto not have touched more than an occasional line of coke at the weekend or the odd toot on a spliff, embarking on mid-week, multi day, multi gram sessions whilst still going around their everyday business, albeit somewhat impared. Most people just couldn't and wouldn't do that with MDMA.

This gives me optimism. Time will also tell to see if mephedrone continues to be sold and SOURT after. It would be true that if MDMA was openly sold on the internet/highstreet (especially as plant food!) would also be a MAD MDMA rush across the nation. I still hold on to that optimistic view that SOME kind of system could be implemented for safe use. and like you say most people couldn't and wouldn't do that with mdma. It's more depressing in my opinion that MDMA for PTSD has taken SOOO long to get anywhere near stage II trials.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Don't look that promising too me - far too much like fenfluramine with it's attending heart disorders

 

[rejestr]

Just received a sample...

I just got a 3g sample from a friendly lab. Has anyone of you tried it before? What dosage would you suggest?

 

[pofacedhoe]

I'm not so sure about that. Though people no doubt abuse MDMA - they rarely binge on it for days straight in the fashion mephedrone was often used

i've seen fools binge on grams of mdma for days, and i've met at least one person who was taking ten pills a day (they were mdma as i had tried them, and was blown away by one), and another who was on crystal for weeks on end. mdma bingers are nearly always drinking constantly as well.

so it is quite possible that if it was cheaper and easier to get there would be fools hoofing it up their nostrils like it was meph/th

i never enjoyed overdoing mdma but there are most certainly people who make a speed binge out of mandy every time they do it...

 

[adder]

agreed, if mdma was sold on the internet for the same price as mephedrone was, exactly the same thing would of happened.

Actually, when mephedrone came from "nowhere", its price was higher than MDMA's. Concerning purity, I'm not saying MDMA was/is 100% clean everywhere but if a few people can get pure MDMA crystals, then it's not rare. Even here... And I wouldn't really trust those mephedrone vendors. Firstly, synthesis used got those smart-ass chemists a racemate. And adulterants - God only knows.

And also, those stupid comments on mephedrone resembling MDMA in action are immediately negated as I've never seen people having access to pure MDMA SHOOTING it thrice a day. Pills are different thing, I don't follow what's up on the scene here but pills were shit long time ago and gets only worse and worse. People started to accept that pills are piperazines and amphetamines, and that they've got to take 5 to feel high. Actually, they agree to buy BZP, TFMPP etc., they know they're not going to get real 'Ecstasy' before they pay for pills. Anyway, they don't seem to care anymore as I registered.

And now that prices of mephedrone dropped here (yes, finally this is the end of mephedrone era so they had to start selling it cheaper), MDMA is a bit more expensive for a regular party guy with no real connections, anyway it's still better to look deeper and buy MDMA than shitty pills.

Show must go on, we've seen 3,4-dimethylmethcathinone, we've seen 4-methylethcathinone - it was clear something like this would appear and really with a pyrrolidine ring it would at least have a chance to pretend to be "something". Whatever - binges on mephedrone are considered to be normal (like binges on methcathinone - "I just want more, it wore off before I got to leave for clubbing"), binges on MDMA are different. I'm not a specialist on mephedrone, took it only once and didn't like it at all. Good it's none of my concern at the moment and I'm not obliged to know what and how exactly it fucks up.

 

[Torabora]

I just got a 3g sample from a friendly lab. Has anyone of you tried it before? What dosage would you suggest?

well it is a unresearched chemical, considering that buphedrone is active at arround 20-30mg I would start in this field, but still now one knows what will happen to you so stay safe and start low.

Butt I would be very happy about a review

 

[nyx]

I second that report comment, and seriously, be careful with this stuff, remember that the man Shulgin started with MICROgrams, and he made that himself. Stay Alive man, the next one could be a interesting, i'd hate to have to take your share

 

[Lawrence]

IM going to get a sample I join the NMR

Don't ask source.

THank you.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Don't look that promising too me - far too much like fenfluramine with it's attending heart disorders

F&B, I always respect your opinion on things. Always have. This comment makes me nervous to try it - I'm having a sample sent out to me along with another order that I made... Would it be safe to say its a trash chem?

 

[Lawrence]

I will give a try to night to this one.

 

[MurphyClox]

The heart-related problems occur mainly upon repeated and prolonged use. Occasional (rare!) use should be harmless in this respect (not speaking about other hazards than just the 5HT2B-related ones). Please remember that a lot of related compounds have 5HT2B-activity, too, and there is a considerable cross-activity with regard to cardiotoxicity. Therefore, "occasional use" refers to any 5HT2B-agonist!


Peace! - Murphy

 

[MagickalKat777]

So does anyone have any idea on dose? I'm willing to give it a shot.

 

[adder]

always this rant against mephedrone, mdma is noway more "healthy" but people always speak about it like the holygrail.
Problem with mephe was only that some people couldnt stop themselfs from taking way to much.

Im quiet interested in a compound with "similiar" effects so this one looks promising, hope I can get some of this stuff in the future.

MDMA is always more healthy than some nasty stimulant that you don’t know anything about for sure. Just because of that. And it’s not the problem with mephedrone that some people couldn’t stop themselves taking way too much – actually it was/is their problem. And the problem rises from its short duration of action (reminds me of methcathinone – "it’s better than amphetamine! But it wears off so quick...", quote by a person with earlier amphetamine abuse). Anyway, it doesn't matter if it's the problem with mephedrone or the problem with people who took/take it. If you need to know side effects of MDMA, it's one of the most researched amphetamine and illegal drug.

The spectrum of what RC vendors might offer you (if their chemists know their stuff enough) are wide from simple lengthening N-substituent, α-substituent, and changing/adding substituents at positions 3 and 4 of the benzene ring. Anyway, there will never be anything with cathinone structure closer to MDMA than bk-MDMA aka methylone.

As I've read the updated act on counteracting drug addiction in my country, I've noticed that finally that mephedrone shit is over. The number of its consumers will drop dramatically now (most were people who would never do any drug or any drug but marijuana), it may be a profitable illegal business but only people that have it for speedy drugs will seek it and a lot may even give up as the price must rise and it was already high, this is now going to be cut and junkies will find buying (meth)amphetamine better). Yet, we have no protection from 3-methylmephedrone, N-ethylnormephedrone, N-benzylnormephedrone... They can all have "mephedrone" in their alternative names, anyway I'm looking forward to seeing how this "fast delegalization of any new 'boosters' if they're suspicious for the time needed to make tests in the lab" method is going to work.

 

[Torabora]

MDMA is always more healthy than some nasty stimulant that you don’t know anything about for sure.

thats pretty much bullshit ^^ how can a substance of that you know NOTHING be more toxic just because you dont know how toxic it is ^^ compared to a substance of that you know that it is pretty much neurotoxic (and which is for sure a lot more dirty, RC's companys may never provide the purity of pharm grad meds produced under GMP conditions but they are better then any clandestine MDMA with Hg2+ salts left overs and such). Just think of the many deaths related to MDMA abuse (which is a lot!)

I didnt say that mephe is less toxic but that they play in the same league, and when MDMA would be sold over the net like meph was (and to a comparable price) you would see thousands of kids eating a gramm of that too over the weekend but then there will be a lot more deaths then with mephedrone (hyperthermia is pretty bad on mdma)

But I agree that mephe is a lot more habit forming because of the rush and the short halflife.

And I didnt ask about RC's which are similiar to mdma but to mephe (and there are some interresting like 4-EMC, 4-MEC and this one, and maybe 4-methylbuphedrone), and this topic is over one of them so pls back to topic.

 

[Jamshyd]

^ And yet we have seen more meph horror-stories in a couple of years than we have from MDMA in 30+ years. Makes ya' think.

Forced to pick between two shitty drugs, I'd definitely chose one with better-studied shittiness.

 

[tamtoot]

^
Maybe it is woth not to choose the shit by smell ?

as for clandestine mdma and Hg2+
Did you remind post about Bromine amounts in mephedrone - somebody calculated that it can be dangerous.

^ And yet we have seen more meph horror-stories in a couple of years than we have from MDMA in 30+ years. Makes ya' think.

Forced to pick between two shitty drugs, I'd definitely chose one with better-studied shittiness.

 

[Torabora]

^ And yet we have seen more meph horror-stories in a couple of years than we have from MDMA in 30+ years. Makes ya' think.
.

your sure about that? just look at erwoid bad trips for MDMA: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_MDMA_Bad_Trips.shtml

or a report from the DEA http://thedea.org/statistics.html

these are far more deaths in one year then related to mephedrone but I have to agree that it is difficult to compare because mephedrone is not very well known in hospitals and so the statistic may be not very accurate (related to mephe)

most people tend to think "ohhh MDMA that must be safe because it is known for ages"

next point is that the RC hype resulted in a lot more reports then for mdma in the past (no Inet and such) and because of the low price and the easy availability a lot of people overdosed, like I said if the same would happen with MDMA now Im pretty sure we would see a lot more deaths just look at the 6-apb story with people eating 3 tabs at once or taking 500mg of a unkown powder (5-iai thread) If you do this with mdma you get in trouble.

 

[holdout]

heeeyy!!! what is the meaning of this?! that is my Mebuphedrone schematic which i proposed many months ago. it has never been synth'd yet. a lab is finally taking the time to design a reaction mechanism and will get back to me.

yes, this is a more neurotoxic substance but is very promising. i am looking forward to the bioassay and will get back to everyone when i get that far....

 

[MurphyClox]

^Adding one or two methyl groups to a long-known compound is not really an intellectual tour de force. Giving it a pointless name a lá 'Mebuphedrone' is even downright ridiculous. Personally, I still vote for Jamshyd's suggestion - Bullshitrone. Sounded somehow mystical and exotic.

But what finally discredited your post was the sentence:

yes, this is a more neurotoxic substance but is very promising. i am looking forward to the bioassay and will get back to everyone when i get that far....

Errrrr ... the more neurotoxic = the more 'promising'? Do I get that right? See, I'm sometimes a bit slow with thinking.

This thread is already far far away in off-topic-land. What the heck?


- Murphy

 

[fastandbulbous]

Well murphy, you've conviced me - I'm signing the death warrent of this thread after a cup of tea