Full-name: 1-(4-methylphenyl)-2-methylaminobutanone-1 hydrochloride
Full-name: 1-(4-methylphenyl)-2-methylaminobutanone-1 hydrochloride
Last edited by pitaburd; 27-07-2010 at 13:06.
Thank you for not calling it Bullshitrone, at least.
what is with the random posting of a name and a structure but without any point or question or other data to make the thread worthwhile? anyone can post a name or a structure and end with discuss , all it really is doing is lowering the SNR.
this thread will get a temporary stay of execution for a couple of days pending something advanced or interesting being posted otherwise its thread closed.
It's obviously mephedrone with an extra methyl group, but as to the affects or dose (if that is the question) IDK. In the case of bk-MDMA they seem largely unaltered by this addition, but one example does not a rule make.
Actually, that would be an outstanding name for this compound.Originally Posted by jamshyd
I don't see the logic of extending the alpha-chain while leaving the ring-substitution. See also the epic failure that is butylone.
It's fascinating how close this chemical appears to DEET - obviously the PEA skeleton is essential - but one must wonder if 3-MeMABP would make a good insect repellent...
I think it has already been made mate....
One way or another, pretty much anything with a betaketo group already sucks from the start.
Also why add a Keto when Phenylisobutylamine is already a selective norepinephrine releasing agent by its own?
This stimulant would lack of dopaminergic effects compared to normal amphetamines, it would be mostly a serotonergic-adrenergic enthogen with the only advantage of being less neurotoxic than common amphetamine analogues. However it would be nowhere near MDMA IMO so forgive me if I have my doubts about it's recreational utility.
(Plus it shares awfull similarities with MEPHEDRONE! Though the alpha ethyl would reduce the dopaminergic vasoconstriction in some way)
The same thing though with a phenmetrazine skeleton and without the alpha ethyl would actualy arouse me...
If you replace the N-methyl with a pyrrolidine ring you get a good dopaminergic compound. Still, doesn't matter to me as it's caught in the UK legislation covering cathinone derivatives, making it rather naughty here
All good things come to he who waits...The same thing though with a phenmetrazine skeleton and without the alpha ethyl would actualy arouse me...
always this rant against mephedrone, mdma is noway more "healthy" but people always speak about it like the holygrail.
Problem with mephe was only that some people couldnt stop themselfs from taking way to much.
Im quiet interested in a compound with "similiar" effects so this one looks promising, hope I can get some of this stuff in the future.
^agreed, the mephedrone madness was a unique phenomenon never before seen in the UK and probably never to be seen again. When things started to get really silly in the 6 months prior to the ban, when it came onto the media radar and the masses of the general public became aware of it, it even had people who would normally have been very casual drug users, who would hitherto not have touched more than an occasional line of coke at the weekend or the odd toot on a spliff, embarking on mid-week, multi day, multi gram sessions whilst still going around their everyday business, albeit somewhat impared. Most people just couldn't and wouldn't do that with MDMA.
Last edited by Skyline_GTR; 29-07-2010 at 02:15.
The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?
Btw, Fnb: Phenmetrazine analogues are the only stims that still interest me these days. It'd be interesting to see research there.
always this rant against mephedrone
It pissed on the party - got all the cathinone derivatives controlled in the UK. Without it the likes of methylone or MDPV would have been legal for years to come (well mephedrone and the literary geniuses at the tabloids that only make the whole thing into a leviathan).
Then again I look at my rants tonight and wonder with evidence like that, how much longer would they have allowed the horrific sex drug that turns nuns into porn stars, MDPV to corrupt the morals of this country (shot themselves in the foot they did. The News of the World would have loved to have published tales of the sordid states MDPV can push people to - the fuckin' alliteration syndrome is getting worse by the second!)
Made me realize just how accurate Einstein was when he said "there are two things that are infinite in this world; space and human stupidity - and I'm not that certain about space"The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?
It could be worse guys - you could live in Ireland. Here its not only cathinone derivatives that are now banned. We had a psychoactive substances bill passed recently which now outlaws everything that could alter your psychic state excluding the likes of medication, alcohol, tobacco, and coffee. Absolute madness. So anyone in another country experimenting with anything psychoactive my advice is .... keep it out of the public domain such as the meph phenomenon was, else your government could look to Ireland as an examplar. And we're known worldwide as heavy drinkers and partyers - how backward are the Irish now!!!!
Stop banning things and think of something more creative and effective to do for society.
Society definitely needs a good ol' daddy spanking. Awareness media turned out to be lamely uneffective. It's sad that the few smart and responsable ones have to suffer the consequences of the uncontrollable ravaging stupid moiety which is unfortunately 'the majority'.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...ighlight=quack particularly Oxaflozane looks V.INTERESTING in terms of 5ht1a agonism so if only shulgin could do a TEN year job on phenmetrizines am sure there would be some amazing compounds to be found, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OxaflozaneBtw, Fnb: Phenmetrazine analogues are the only stims that still interest me these days. It'd be interesting to see research there.[/color]
This gives me optimism. Time will also tell to see if mephedrone continues to be sold and SOURT after. It would be true that if MDMA was openly sold on the internet/highstreet (especially as plant food!) would also be a MAD MDMA rush across the nation. I still hold on to that optimistic view that SOME kind of system could be implemented for safe use. and like you say most people couldn't and wouldn't do that with mdma. It's more depressing in my opinion that MDMA for PTSD has taken SOOO long to get anywhere near stage II trials.GTR ^agreed, the mephedrone madness was a unique phenomenon never before seen in the UK and probably never to be seen again. When things started to get really silly in the 6 months prior to the ban, when it came onto the media radar and the masses of the general public became aware of it, it even had people who would normally have been very casual drug users, who would hitherto not have touched more than an occasional line of coke at the weekend or the odd toot on a spliff, embarking on mid-week, multi day, multi gram sessions whilst still going around their everyday business, albeit somewhat impared. Most people just couldn't and wouldn't do that with MDMA.
Last edited by Phener; 30-07-2010 at 02:34.
Don't look that promising too me - far too much like fenfluramine with it's attending heart disorders
I just got a 3g sample from a friendly lab. Has anyone of you tried it before? What dosage would you suggest?
so it is quite possible that if it was cheaper and easier to get there would be fools hoofing it up their nostrils like it was meph/th
i never enjoyed overdoing mdma but there are most certainly people who make a speed binge out of mandy every time they do it...
Last edited by pofacedhoe; 16-08-2010 at 16:59.
Actually, when mephedrone came from "nowhere", its price was higher than MDMA's. Concerning purity, I'm not saying MDMA was/is 100% clean everywhere but if a few people can get pure MDMA crystals, then it's not rare. Even here... And I wouldn't really trust those mephedrone vendors. Firstly, synthesis used got those smart-ass chemists a racemate. And adulterants - God only knows.Originally Posted by alphabetalactone
And also, those stupid comments on mephedrone resembling MDMA in action are immediately negated as I've never seen people having access to pure MDMA SHOOTING it thrice a day. Pills are different thing, I don't follow what's up on the scene here but pills were shit long time ago and gets only worse and worse. People started to accept that pills are piperazines and amphetamines, and that they've got to take 5 to feel high. Actually, they agree to buy BZP, TFMPP etc., they know they're not going to get real 'Ecstasy' before they pay for pills. Anyway, they don't seem to care anymore as I registered.
And now that prices of mephedrone dropped here (yes, finally this is the end of mephedrone era so they had to start selling it cheaper), MDMA is a bit more expensive for a regular party guy with no real connections, anyway it's still better to look deeper and buy MDMA than shitty pills.
Show must go on, we've seen 3,4-dimethylmethcathinone, we've seen 4-methylethcathinone - it was clear something like this would appear and really with a pyrrolidine ring it would at least have a chance to pretend to be "something". Whatever - binges on mephedrone are considered to be normal (like binges on methcathinone - "I just want more, it wore off before I got to leave for clubbing"), binges on MDMA are different. I'm not a specialist on mephedrone, took it only once and didn't like it at all. Good it's none of my concern at the moment and I'm not obliged to know what and how exactly it fucks up.