Bluelight

Thread: 4-MeMABP

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 40
  1. Collapse Details
    4-MeMABP 
    #1
    Full-name: 1-(4-methylphenyl)-2-methylaminobutanone-1 hydrochloride


    discuss.
    Last edited by pitaburd; 27-07-2010 at 13:06.
     

  2. Collapse Details
     
    #2
    Bluelight Crew Jamshyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Not on a train, sadly.
    Posts
    16,065
    Thank you for not calling it Bullshitrone, at least.
     

  3. Collapse Details
     
    #3
    what is with the random posting of a name and a structure but without any point or question or other data to make the thread worthwhile? anyone can post a name or a structure and end with discuss , all it really is doing is lowering the SNR.

    this thread will get a temporary stay of execution for a couple of days pending something advanced or interesting being posted otherwise its thread closed.
     

  4. Collapse Details
     
    #4
    It's obviously mephedrone with an extra methyl group, but as to the affects or dose (if that is the question) IDK. In the case of bk-MDMA they seem largely unaltered by this addition, but one example does not a rule make.
     

  5. Collapse Details
     
    #5
    Senior Moderator
    Neuroscience and Pharmacology Discussion
    Philosophy and Spirituality
    ebola?'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    in weaponized form
    Posts
    20,583
    Quote Originally Posted by jamshyd
    Thank you for not calling it Bullshitrone, at least.
    Actually, that would be an outstanding name for this compound.
    ...
    I don't see the logic of extending the alpha-chain while leaving the ring-substitution. See also the epic failure that is butylone.

    ebola

    Getting high? RTFM: Bluelight Drug FAQs | Bluelight WIKI
     

  6. Collapse Details
     
    #6
    Bluelighter hamhurricane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Riding A White Swan
    Posts
    1,144
    It's fascinating how close this chemical appears to DEET - obviously the PEA skeleton is essential - but one must wonder if 3-MeMABP would make a good insect repellent...

    NSFW:
     

  7. Collapse Details
     
    #7
    Bluelighter /navarone/'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Under your bed, masturbating...
    Posts
    1,389
    I think it has already been made mate....

    One way or another, pretty much anything with a betaketo group already sucks from the start.

    Also why add a Keto when Phenylisobutylamine is already a selective norepinephrine releasing agent by its own?
    This stimulant would lack of dopaminergic effects compared to normal amphetamines, it would be mostly a serotonergic-adrenergic enthogen with the only advantage of being less neurotoxic than common amphetamine analogues. However it would be nowhere near MDMA IMO so forgive me if I have my doubts about it's recreational utility.

    (Plus it shares awfull similarities with MEPHEDRONE! Though the alpha ethyl would reduce the dopaminergic vasoconstriction in some way)
     

  8. Collapse Details
     
    #8
    Bluelighter /navarone/'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Under your bed, masturbating...
    Posts
    1,389
    The same thing though with a phenmetrazine skeleton and without the alpha ethyl would actualy arouse me...
     

  9. Collapse Details
     
    #9
    Bluelight Crew fastandbulbous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    that rainy little island off europe
    Posts
    20,521
    If you replace the N-methyl with a pyrrolidine ring you get a good dopaminergic compound. Still, doesn't matter to me as it's caught in the UK legislation covering cathinone derivatives, making it rather naughty here

    The same thing though with a phenmetrazine skeleton and without the alpha ethyl would actualy arouse me...
    All good things come to he who waits...
     

  10. Collapse Details
     
    #10
    Quote Originally Posted by vecktor View Post
    what is with the random posting of a name and a structure but without any point or question or other data to make the thread worthwhile? anyone can post a name or a structure and end with discuss , all it really is doing is lowering the SNR.

    this thread will get a temporary stay of execution for a couple of days pending something advanced or interesting being posted otherwise its thread closed.
    well if you must know, I may be getting my hands on some soon. Just wanted to know what anyone else who is smarter than me could say something about it. I couldn't really think of any specific questions, so i just made a generic post.
     

  11. Collapse Details
     
    #11
    always this rant against mephedrone, mdma is noway more "healthy" but people always speak about it like the holygrail.
    Problem with mephe was only that some people couldnt stop themselfs from taking way to much.

    Im quiet interested in a compound with "similiar" effects so this one looks promising, hope I can get some of this stuff in the future.
     

  12. Collapse Details
     
    #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Torabora View Post
    always this rant against mephedrone, mdma is noway more "healthy" but people always speak about it like the holygrail.
    Problem with mephe was only that some people couldnt stop themselfs from taking way to much.

    Im quiet interested in a compound with "similiar" effects so this one looks promising, hope I can get some of this stuff in the future.
    agreed, if mdma was sold on the internet for the same price as mephedrone was, exactly the same thing would of happened.
     

  13. Collapse Details
     
    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by fastandbulbous View Post
    Still, doesn't matter to me as it's caught in the UK legislation covering cathinone derivatives, making it rather naughty here
    amen, cathinone catch'all sucks all those possibilities ruined because of meph-madness. having never tried meph it all seems wasteful but maybe to some it was worth it
     

  14. Collapse Details
     
    #14
    Bluelighter hamhurricane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Riding A White Swan
    Posts
    1,144
    Quote Originally Posted by alphabetalactone View Post
    agreed, if mdma was sold on the internet for the same price as mephedrone was, exactly the same thing would of happened.
    I'm not so sure about that. Though people no doubt abuse MDMA - they rarely binge on it for days straight in the fashion mephedrone was often used, also bk-MDMA had been on the market at low prices for years without issue, there was not so much as a single write up in english tabloids. its difficult to argue that mephedrone did not have some special je ne sais quoi.
     

  15. Collapse Details
     
    #15
    Bluelight Crew Skyline_GTR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    4,419
    ^agreed, the mephedrone madness was a unique phenomenon never before seen in the UK and probably never to be seen again. When things started to get really silly in the 6 months prior to the ban, when it came onto the media radar and the masses of the general public became aware of it, it even had people who would normally have been very casual drug users, who would hitherto not have touched more than an occasional line of coke at the weekend or the odd toot on a spliff, embarking on mid-week, multi day, multi gram sessions whilst still going around their everyday business, albeit somewhat impared. Most people just couldn't and wouldn't do that with MDMA.
    Last edited by Skyline_GTR; 29-07-2010 at 02:15.
     

  16. Collapse Details
     
    #16
    Bluelight Crew Jamshyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Not on a train, sadly.
    Posts
    16,065
    The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?

    Btw, Fnb: Phenmetrazine analogues are the only stims that still interest me these days. It'd be interesting to see research there.
     

  17. Collapse Details
     
    #17
    Bluelight Crew fastandbulbous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    that rainy little island off europe
    Posts
    20,521
    always this rant against mephedrone

    It pissed on the party - got all the cathinone derivatives controlled in the UK. Without it the likes of methylone or MDPV would have been legal for years to come (well mephedrone and the literary geniuses at the tabloids that only make the whole thing into a leviathan).

    Then again I look at my rants tonight and wonder with evidence like that, how much longer would they have allowed the horrific sex drug that turns nuns into porn stars, MDPV to corrupt the morals of this country (shot themselves in the foot they did. The News of the World would have loved to have published tales of the sordid states MDPV can push people to - the fuckin' alliteration syndrome is getting worse by the second!)

    The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?
    Made me realize just how accurate Einstein was when he said "there are two things that are infinite in this world; space and human stupidity - and I'm not that certain about space"
     

  18. Collapse Details
     
    #18
    Bluelighter
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    146
    It could be worse guys - you could live in Ireland. Here its not only cathinone derivatives that are now banned. We had a psychoactive substances bill passed recently which now outlaws everything that could alter your psychic state excluding the likes of medication, alcohol, tobacco, and coffee. Absolute madness. So anyone in another country experimenting with anything psychoactive my advice is .... keep it out of the public domain such as the meph phenomenon was, else your government could look to Ireland as an examplar. And we're known worldwide as heavy drinkers and partyers - how backward are the Irish now!!!!
     

  19. Collapse Details
     
    #19
    Bluelighter
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    146
    Quote Originally Posted by fastandbulbous View Post
    Made me realize just how accurate Einstein was when he said "there are two things that are infinite in this world; space and human stupidity - and I'm not that certain about space"
    These bans and measures remind me of other Einstein quotes - "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." and "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

    Stop banning things and think of something more creative and effective to do for society.
     

  20. Collapse Details
     
    #20
    Bluelighter /navarone/'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Under your bed, masturbating...
    Posts
    1,389
    Society definitely needs a good ol' daddy spanking. Awareness media turned out to be lamely uneffective. It's sad that the few smart and responsable ones have to suffer the consequences of the uncontrollable ravaging stupid moiety which is unfortunately 'the majority'.
     

  21. Collapse Details
     
    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamshyd View Post
    The case of mephedrone made me revise my views on prohibition: perhaps, for once, prohibition can be a good thing? Imagine what would have happened if this continued?
    yeah exact effect, p****ed of the whole "research chemical" thing had gone public and yeah for once thought it WAS dangerous for so many people to be doing this. People didn't know of RCs or plant food but all of sudden your neighbour who popped to the local grocery knew more about RCs. Particularly annoyed about methylone, not the best but that was excatly why it wasn't so feindish and crazy - got to try some WAY back but was keen to get a small supply for future as it was so cheap. The serious shame with all cathinones blocked means future exploration done this area is pointless from UK stand, having had to put up with the annoying PEA catch all and missing out on all the RC's hitting USA (well officially missing out, some dared), was hoping some more interesting cathinones might crop up (or even be release in shulgins books)

    Btw, Fnb: Phenmetrazine analogues are the only stims that still interest me these days. It'd be interesting to see research there.[/color]
    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...ighlight=quack particularly Oxaflozane looks V.INTERESTING in terms of 5ht1a agonism so if only shulgin could do a TEN year job on phenmetrizines am sure there would be some amazing compounds to be found, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxaflozane

    GTR ^agreed, the mephedrone madness was a unique phenomenon never before seen in the UK and probably never to be seen again. When things started to get really silly in the 6 months prior to the ban, when it came onto the media radar and the masses of the general public became aware of it, it even had people who would normally have been very casual drug users, who would hitherto not have touched more than an occasional line of coke at the weekend or the odd toot on a spliff, embarking on mid-week, multi day, multi gram sessions whilst still going around their everyday business, albeit somewhat impared. Most people just couldn't and wouldn't do that with MDMA.
    This gives me optimism. Time will also tell to see if mephedrone continues to be sold and SOURT after. It would be true that if MDMA was openly sold on the internet/highstreet (especially as plant food!) would also be a MAD MDMA rush across the nation. I still hold on to that optimistic view that SOME kind of system could be implemented for safe use. and like you say most people couldn't and wouldn't do that with mdma. It's more depressing in my opinion that MDMA for PTSD has taken SOOO long to get anywhere near stage II trials.
    Last edited by Phener; 30-07-2010 at 02:34.
     

  22. Collapse Details
     
    #22
    Bluelight Crew fastandbulbous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    that rainy little island off europe
    Posts
    20,521
    Don't look that promising too me - far too much like fenfluramine with it's attending heart disorders
     

  23. Collapse Details
    Just received a sample... 
    #23
    I just got a 3g sample from a friendly lab. Has anyone of you tried it before? What dosage would you suggest?
     

  24. Collapse Details
     
    #24
    Moderator
    Sex Love & Relationships
    pofacedhoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    reason 7
    Posts
    5,124
    Quote Originally Posted by hamhurricane View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. Though people no doubt abuse MDMA - they rarely binge on it for days straight in the fashion mephedrone was often used
    i've seen fools binge on grams of mdma for days, and i've met at least one person who was taking ten pills a day (they were mdma as i had tried them, and was blown away by one), and another who was on crystal for weeks on end. mdma bingers are nearly always drinking constantly as well.

    so it is quite possible that if it was cheaper and easier to get there would be fools hoofing it up their nostrils like it was meph/th

    i never enjoyed overdoing mdma but there are most certainly people who make a speed binge out of mandy every time they do it...
    Last edited by pofacedhoe; 16-08-2010 at 16:59.
     

  25. Collapse Details
     
    #25
    Bluelighter adder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Suburbs of the Hell
    Posts
    2,286
    Quote Originally Posted by alphabetalactone
    agreed, if mdma was sold on the internet for the same price as mephedrone was, exactly the same thing would of happened.
    Actually, when mephedrone came from "nowhere", its price was higher than MDMA's. Concerning purity, I'm not saying MDMA was/is 100% clean everywhere but if a few people can get pure MDMA crystals, then it's not rare. Even here... And I wouldn't really trust those mephedrone vendors. Firstly, synthesis used got those smart-ass chemists a racemate. And adulterants - God only knows.

    And also, those stupid comments on mephedrone resembling MDMA in action are immediately negated as I've never seen people having access to pure MDMA SHOOTING it thrice a day. Pills are different thing, I don't follow what's up on the scene here but pills were shit long time ago and gets only worse and worse. People started to accept that pills are piperazines and amphetamines, and that they've got to take 5 to feel high. Actually, they agree to buy BZP, TFMPP etc., they know they're not going to get real 'Ecstasy' before they pay for pills. Anyway, they don't seem to care anymore as I registered.

    And now that prices of mephedrone dropped here (yes, finally this is the end of mephedrone era so they had to start selling it cheaper), MDMA is a bit more expensive for a regular party guy with no real connections, anyway it's still better to look deeper and buy MDMA than shitty pills.

    Show must go on, we've seen 3,4-dimethylmethcathinone, we've seen 4-methylethcathinone - it was clear something like this would appear and really with a pyrrolidine ring it would at least have a chance to pretend to be "something". Whatever - binges on mephedrone are considered to be normal (like binges on methcathinone - "I just want more, it wore off before I got to leave for clubbing"), binges on MDMA are different. I'm not a specialist on mephedrone, took it only once and didn't like it at all. Good it's none of my concern at the moment and I'm not obliged to know what and how exactly it fucks up.
     

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •