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    I always thought this was could only be got by consuming alcohol and mehylphenidate

    however, I have managed to get my hands on some and was wondering what dosage, duration, etc. would be?

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    Is this from the vendour that was also selling LSD analogues amongst a spectrum of other suited chemicals?

    Interested purely to here if he was legit or not?

    **please no naming sources etc, I don't want to ruin this thread and get it closed**
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phener View Post
    Is this from the vendour that was also selling LSD analogues amongst a spectrum of other suited chemicals?

    Interested purely to here if he was legit or not?

    **please no naming sources etc, I don't want to ruin this thread and get it closed**

    I believe that one was a scam.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by McVonstein View Post
    I believe that one was a scam.
    good just wanted clarification of that, was going to be EXTREMELY suprised if it wasn't

    btw well done on getting ethylphenidate! I can imagine it is available to some people in the know but I believe this won't appear as a easy to obtain RC soon (even in countries without analogue laws) as whoever licensed methylphenidate probably covered all O-substitutions or esters therefore etc in the patent ?? - hence even as a plant feeder/RC it wouldn't be possible. Well I think that's my understanding of patents, could be wrong - OR has generic methylphenidate come out?? - no idea on legalities. Be interested to hear anyone who knows about this. Piracetam was ONCE CLEARLY a licensed medicine but is sold EVERYWHERE openly. Is this just the authorities not caring or a legally allowed vitamin supplement OR was it only licensed in russia first or some other country first?

    Dosage:

    According to this publication if I have read it correctly approximately 2.3% is converted with moderate alcohol consumption and methylphenidate, maybe a good starting point in reference to dosing.

    http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/28/6/620.full
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    methylphenidate is very old and has been off patent for a very long time
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by vecktor View Post
    methylphenidate is very old and has been off patent for a very long time
    interesting, so lets say IF the patent includes O-substitutions or esters there-of would ANY selling of this compound even NOT as a medicine be classed as a medicine?

    I really need to read up on this, very interesting topic. I'm sure the BIG guys organising mephedrone now have enough weight behing them to hire a professional lawyer for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phener View Post
    interesting, so lets say IF the patent includes N-substitutions would ANY selling of this compound even NOT as a medicine be classed as a medicine?

    I really need to read up on this, very interesting topic. I'm sure the BIG guys organising mephedrone now have enough weight behing them to hire a professional lawyer for this.
    I'm sure the could string any lawsuit out well past an outright ban, assuming this ever becomes common enough to for anyone to bother.
     

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    The sketchy vendor selling it (as well as that spectrum of other chemicals incl LSD analog) is a known scammer.

    Interested to see if this stuff is any better than methylphenidate, as the latter is a second rate stimulant at best.
     

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    Given how easy it is to find someone willing to sell/trade their ritalin script for next to nothing, I dought this will be a big seller even if it starts showing up a legitimate vendors. Though I suppose the meph generation seems to buy anything without even asking what is is or does.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryingsquirrel View Post
    Though I suppose the meph generation seems to buy anything without even asking what is is or does.
    ^this.
     

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    Are you joking? I've never seen Ritalin in my life...

    Shit's hard to come by if you don't know any middle school kids with good health insurance...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phener View Post
    whoever licensed methylphenidate probably covered all N-variants in the patent ??
    what are you talking about? EPH does not have an additional carbon substituted on the nitrogen. although this would also be a very good stimulant as the general rule with these desoxypipradrol/MPH type compounds is the tertiary amine has increased potency. the desoxypipradrol analogs with the quinuclidine ring and the N-Me-piperidine ring are more potent accordingly. a chemical like 3,4-Dichloro-N-Me-EPH would probably be a fantasticly potent and selective DARI without the pesky duration of desoxypipradrol and co.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamhurricane View Post
    what are you talking about? EPH does not have an additional carbon substituted on the nitrogen. although this would also be a very good stimulant as the general rule with these desoxypipradrol/MPH type compounds is the tertiary amine has increased potency. the desoxypipradrol analogs with the quinuclidine ring and the N-Me-piperidine ring are more potent accordingly. a chemical like 3,4-Dichloro-N-Me-EPH would probably be a fantasticly potent and selective DARI without the pesky duration of desoxypipradrol and co.
    sorry was just being a dumb-ass I meant substitions on the O- as such corrected my posts

    I.e any ester therefore etc
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    i never had ritali too and this one would be on the top of my shopping cart
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolio
    Are you joking? I've never seen Ritalin in my life...

    Shit's hard to come by if you don't know any middle school kids with good health insurance...
    You'll find it pretty commonly among college students. Too bad I find it to be rubbish. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamhurricane View Post
    what are you talking about? EPH does not have an additional carbon substituted on the nitrogen. although this would also be a very good stimulant as the general rule with these desoxypipradrol/MPH type compounds is the tertiary amine has increased potency. the desoxypipradrol analogs with the quinuclidine ring and the N-Me-piperidine ring are more potent accordingly. a chemical like 3,4-Dichloro-N-Me-EPH would probably be a fantasticly potent and selective DARI without the pesky duration of desoxypipradrol and co.
    like I said, being a dumb ass, corrected my posts to mean esters therefore or O-subst.

    HOWEVER you claim a very interesting point! N-methyl substitution of methylphenidate, now there is an interesting RC.
     

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    I always found extracted methylphenidate extremely euphoric and I loved the high when sniffing about 40 mg's! I get Concerta prescribed now (ADHD) but I never abuse my prescription, I'm done with using.

    @ebola

    Did u use extracted? It really makes all the difference and is very very easy with most formulations (2-propanol extraction)
     

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    I'v found methylphenidate liquid+alcohol amoung the best social combos i'v tried-produces a stronger DRI than MPD. I'v tried D-amp=xanax, MPD+Diazepam, and more.

    Whats the fuss over Ethylphenidate alone, when you can produce it with MPD+ETOH?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phener View Post
    I believe this won't appear as a easy to obtain RC soon (even in countries without analogue laws) as whoever licensed methylphenidate probably covered all O-substitutions or esters therefore etc in the patent ?? - hence even as a plant feeder/RC it wouldn't be possible.
    Regardless I don't think many RC vendors would give a fuck if they're breaching a patent, and their Asian chemists would probably have no problem synthesising it.
     

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    You know... with how easy this stuff is to make (won't discuss the synthesis), I'm surprised we don't actually have some assays of this stuff posted.

    Does ritalinic acid have any activity itself?

    Also, as the patent on these esters has all expired, could one synthesize and submit proposals to the FDA for these compounds to be used as viable pharmaceuticals and controlled? I think ethylphenidate, with the more similar affinity to DAT as amphetamine, could really be a nice addition to ADHD pharmacopeia.
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    what about a derivative of mdpv, ethylenedioxypyrovalerone (methyl swapped for ethyl).. with the same process by combining alcohol+ mdpv+ transesterification? I can find no assays, journals, or anything on it. Possible?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by polarbearsarecool View Post
    what about a derivative of mdpv, ethylenedioxypyrovalerone (methyl swapped for ethyl).. with the same process by combining alcohol+ mdpv+ transesterification? I can find no assays, journals, or anything on it. Possible?
    MDPV doesn't actually have any methyl group; EDPV would be putting that ethylene on the other side of the benzene ring, where it won't do much, I think. I think the cool mod on MDPV, or methylphenidate for that matter, would be turning the benzodioxole ring into a benzofuran or an indole, and you might gain some SERT affinity (like cocaine) without the hepatotoxicity of the napthalenes. Triple reuptake inhibitors are usually more fun than NDRIs unless you're going strictly for sexual enhancement.
     

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    to any grey market chemists/sellers out there... if you can, make dextroethylphenidate... dextromethylphenidate (namebrand: focalin) is so superior to racemic that its ridiculous.
     

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    Does ritalinic acid have any activity itself?

    No, not a sausage


    if you can, make dextroethylphenidate

    Too much work when the racaemic compound is active. I've only ever seen one drug that was an optical isomer that was produced illicitly: S-ketamine. If it was easy to separate optical isomers, don't you think all the people involved in making MDA would separate the two and only N-methylate the S-isomer?
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    the desoxypipradrol analogs with the quinuclidine ring and the N-Me-piperidine ring are more potent accordingly
    Are they? It's the first I've heard about it. With heterocyclics, the rule of thumb seems to be the secondary amine is the most potent (compare phenmetrazine with phendimetrazine)
     

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