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    Marquis/Mecke/Mandellin results for stim/empathogen/2C-X, RC's & more 
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    Update 10/4/11:
    Added new compounds. Added proper results for 5/6-APB

    Update 13/12/10:
    Added new compounds. Stitched together the best results, and added column for simons/robadope where the results were meaningful (however, due to the unpleasantness of performing the test, these are theoretical results, as you can see).


    Before you begin:

    Fizz: Fizz is meaningless when identifying the compound present - it only tells you that the sample was present as the HCl salt (or salt of a similar volitile acid). Hence, fizz is proportional to the amount of Whatever HCl you dumped in. When fizz is useful is if you are testing something, and you see a lot of fizz, but only a slow color change to the expected compound, or when you think you have the base, and it fizzes, you know you don't have the base.

    Smell: Know what cathinones (ie, mephedrone) smell like. Buy a sample of the filthy things if you have to. The majority of misrepresented RC's on the market are cathinones being sold as something less shitty. Put your sample into a sealed container for a while, then open it up, and give it a smell (not a snort) - if it smells like cathinones, you've got cathinones in your sample. I'm sure there are ways to camoflage the smell, so don't rely 100% on this, but it's a great way to pick out the obvious fakes.


    Beta Ketones and Various RC stims/empathogens

    Image to be updated shortly.

    Naphyrone
    Marquis - yellow
    Mecke - no reaction (kept the brownish color it had out of bottle)
    Mandellin - Clear
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Negative

    Mephedrone, Buphedrone, Ethcathinone, 3 and 4 Flouromethcathinone:
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - slight brown, almost no change.
    Mandellin - slight browning.
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Positive

    MDPV, MDPPP, Methylone, Butylone:
    Marquis - yellow
    Mecke - red-brown
    Mandellin - clear
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - MDPPP/MDPV Negative, Methylone/Butylone Positive

    Methedrone (DANGER! BAD STUFF!)
    Marquis - yellow-orange
    Mecke - orange
    Mandellin - orange
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Positive

    5/6-APB:
    Results from production 5 and 6 APB are now available:
    Marquis - rusty brown
    Mecke - Black
    Mandellin -Purple/brown, slow to develop
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative

    Note that the sample batches sent out was different. I suspect it was 6-APDB. It was also a superior drug, pity they didn't make more of it available.

    I've also included results for a sample batch of fake 6-APB, for completeness sake.

    5-IAI
    Marquis - brown-grey
    Mecke - yellow
    Mandellin - no reaction
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative
    NOTE: Previous 5-IAI results posted were for FAKE PRODUCT. The old, inaccurate results have been removed.
    By the way, don't bother getting the real thing. It sucks - ~400mg doses, nothing exciting, and in some people (like me) it produces nothing by dysphoria. At only 50mg, i experienced anhedonia and depression for 6-8 hours, with no pleasurable effects. Favorite food tasted like cardboard, favorite games were a chore, etc. But I digress...

    4-Flouroamphetamine:
    Marquis - no reaction if only small amount used. If you dump a whole pile of it in, it'll turn brownish orange.
    Mecke - no reaction
    Mandellin - no reaction
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative


    Notes:

    Desoxypipiradrol
    All slow and weak color changes.
    Marquis - brown
    Mecke - brown
    Mandellin - yellow/brown
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Negative

    MDAI
    Marquis - Light brown to very dark brown depending on trace impurities.
    Mecke - Dark Brown
    Mandellin - Dark Brown
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative

    2-Aminoindane
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - brown
    Mandellin - light blue
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative

    Ephedrine
    Sample from BOLT brand single constituant ephedrine pills.
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - no reaction
    Mandellin - yellow-orange
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Positive

    Caffeine (anhydrous, USP)
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - slight browning
    Mandellin - no change
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative

    pFPP
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - slight browning
    Mandellin - no change
    Robadope - Negative
    Simons - Positive? It should be positive...

    MDAT:
    Not shown.
    All reactions slow. Strange colors, changing over time, all colors weak.
    Robadope - Positive
    Simons - Negative




    Key points to take away:
    These reagents are not sufficient for differentiation between cathinones of similar structure.
    These reagents are not sufficient for detection or identification of 4-FA or pipirazines, nor weak OTC stimulants - though 4-FA will test positive with robadope.
    These reagents are not sufficient to confidently confirm presence of mephedrone.
    These reagents are not sufficient to confidently rule out the presence of most cathinones in combination with other agents that produce strong colors. Sniff test and Simons may be helpful here.
    These reagents are not sufficient to confirm or rule out presence of desoxypipiradrol in combination with other agents, especially as the active dose is very low. Luckily I am not aware of this horrible drug showing up as an adulterant.
    2-AI, which many people have reported dangerous reactions from, stands out like a sore thumb when tested with the mandellin reagent.
    MDAI on the market is so filthy that the impurities confound identification with the marquis reagent.
    These reagents are not sufficient to identify MDAT (luckily, it is obscure (hence unlikely to be sold as something else), not particularly potent or dangerous, and has a very distinctive appearance - yellow translucent crystals between 1/16th and 1/4th of an inch along their largest dimension.


    Sedatives

    All changes are slow, and weak. For the benzos, ~3-5mg was used per spot; an ass-whooping dose for a non-tolerant user, and still presented only weak color change that took a while to develop.

    Key point to take away:
    These reagents are not sufficient for testing for the presence of these RC sedatives.
    These reagents are not sufficient to identify any RC sedatives even when the presence of a sedative is suspected.
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    Thanks for the info! This is greatly appreciated!
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    Psychedelics:

    Phenethylamines:

    All of these should be positive to Robadope and negative to Simons.

    2-3 minutes after testing:


    ~30 minutes after testing


    2C-C:
    Marquis - yellow, changing to light green, and then fading over time
    Mecke - yellow/brown/green, green fades over time
    Mandellin - clear

    2C-B:
    Marquis - yellow, changing to green, and then fading over time
    Mecke - yellow/brown
    Mandellin - yellow fading to clear

    2C-I:
    Marquis - Green-blue with yellow edges, fades to blue, fades over time
    Mecke - dark brown, very fast
    Mandellin - clear

    2C-D:
    Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
    Mecke - Yellow-brown fading to reddish brown
    Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time

    2C-E:
    Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
    Mecke - Dark brown
    Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time

    2C-P:
    Marquis - Very faint brown, fading to clear.
    Mecke - Yellow-brown fading to Rusty Brown
    Mandellin - Yellow w/tinge of green fades to clear over time
    Slow reactions.

    2C-T-2:
    Marquis - Almost no reaction, slight brown.
    Mecke - Black/dark purple fading to orangy-red
    Mandellin - Orange fading to clear over time


    2C-T-4:
    Marquis - Almost no reaction, slight brown.
    Mecke - Black/dark purple fading to reddish-orange
    Mandellin - Orange fading to clear over time

    2C-T-7:
    Marquis - Almost no reaction, slight brown.
    Mecke - Black/dark purple, fading slowly if at all.
    Mandellin - Orange fading to clear over time

    Key points:
    These reagents are suitable for identifying 4-halo 2C's; differentiation between them is possible but difficult.
    These reagents are suitable for identifying 4-alkyl 2C's; differentiation between them is not realistically possible.
    These reagents are excellent for identifying 4-thioalkyl 2C's; differentiation between them is not practical without reference samples.
    I am unable to replicate results indicating that 2C-E produces a green or yellow color, yet these chemicals are known good, and produce effects that are in every way consistent with expectations, including the characteristic durations and dosages for 2C-D/E/P.


    Super Potent psychedelics:

    Image to be posted later

    25C-NBOMe
    Marquis - yellow, slow.
    Mecke - brown
    Mandellin - yellow, hint of green

    25D-NBOMe
    Marquis - No reaction
    Mecke - brown, maybe a hint of green
    Mandellin - yellow

    25I-NBOMe (differences from above are partly due to smaller sample size used)
    Marquis - No reaction
    Mecke - weak brown
    Mandellin - weak yellow

    DOC
    Marquis - yellow, changing to green. Slow to develop
    Mecke - brown/green
    Mandellin - yellow
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    Thanks for sharing your test results! Greatly appreciated!
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    Hi, I know nothing about chemistry and was wondering, how do you know the chemicals you tested are actually what you think they are?
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    This is brilliant - thank you so much
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    great post, thank you! big contribution!
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    Thanks! that's a pretty comprehensive list
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    Great job
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    beautiful! thank you very much!!
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    Thanks alot man!
    I'm sure you do know but can i just echo this point
    Quote Originally Posted by Wehguy View Post
    Hi, I know nothing about chemistry and was wondering, how do you know the chemicals you tested are actually what you think they are?
    Especially with the newer RC's like 6-apb and 5-iai
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    The only one there that I have any doubt about is the 5-IAI - that's part of why I finally got off my ass and did this - I wanted to compare it to the other likely possibilities, so i could know that it was not naphyrone or meph or something. It's reaction was rather distinctive, particularly in how slow it was.

    The 6-APB is from the clean sample batch, and has been assayed.
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    Fantastic TheAzo! To help further, you might like to consider investing in a few porcelain spot test plates.


    Mephedrone
    Marquis - no color change, some fizz

    At last, someone else reports this. A chemist from our team found the same result with pure 4-MMC (used as analytical ref), yet all reports here have stated a yellow reaction product. I suspect 4-methyl bromopropiophenone or another synth impurity could be the culprit.

    Also interesting to see the 6-APB result. Looks like there was no purple in the reaction, which fits the description of a test result in Aus. The tablet was assumed by users to be MDMA.

    Thanks again
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    This is awesome, thanks for the detailed and clear presentation. I think the pair of photos 2min and 30min after testing is instructive too, nice work!

    Thanks again
    BT
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    Big win mate.. Interesting to see test results for 6-APB.

    My tests on mephedrone with marquis always produced an orange result, similar to amphetamine.
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    Set 4: Tryptamines



    Image taken 30 minutes after experiment, but no changes after the first minute or so except where noted. Fizzing noted for all chemicals tested as the salt.

    Tryptamines are very unlikely adulterants, with the possible exception of (the rather useless) 5-MeO-DALT; they are expensive and of somewhat limited availability.

    DMT
    Marquis - yellow
    Mecke - Brown, fades to red over time.
    Mandellin - yellow

    4-AcO-DMT
    Marquis - grey-green, white precipitate forming over time.
    Mecke - Brown/black
    Mandellin - yellow/orange

    5-MeO-DMT
    Marquis - Orange
    Mecke - Red/Brown
    Mandellin - Yellow

    4-AcO-DiPT
    Marquis - yellow
    Mecke - Brown/Black.
    Mandellin - orange

    4-HO-MiPT
    Marquis - grey/green
    Mecke - Brown
    Mandellin - brown/orange

    5-MeO-MiPT
    Marquis - yellow
    Mecke - Red/Brown
    Mandellin - yellow

    4-HO-DALT
    Marquis - yellow, white precipitate over time
    Mecke - Brown
    Mandellin - orange

    5-MeO-DALT
    Marquis - slight yellow
    Mecke - Red/Brown
    Mandellin - yellow

    4-MeO-PCP
    Marquis - no change
    Mecke - very slight brown
    Mandellin - very slight yellow

    Key Points:
    These reagents are sufficient for detecting tryptamines.
    These reagents are sufficient for narrowing the range of possible tryptamines, but not for positive identification.
    Mecke turns reddish brown in the presence of 5-MeO-T's, and brown in the presence of 4-HO/4-AcO-T's.
    These reagents are not sufficient to detect 4-MeO-PCP.


    Synthetic Cannabinoids

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    JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-081
    Marquis - Yellow quickly changing to brown
    Mecke - Brown/Yellow
    Mandellin - Dark brown

    JWH-200
    Marquis - Yellow/orange
    Mecke - Yellow
    Mandellin - Dark red-brown

    JWH-250
    Marquis - Red, fading to orange over time
    Mecke - Orange
    Mandellin - Dark grey-brown

    AM-694
    Marquis - Brown/yellow, hints of green
    Mecke - grey/brown
    Mandellin - Dark red-brown

    CP-47,497
    Marquis - Red/orange
    Mecke - Blue, fading over time.
    Mandellin - Brown

    CP-55,940
    Marquis - red/orange
    Mecke - Blue-green, fading over time
    Mandellin - Brown

    AM-2201
    Marquis - Yellow
    Mecke - Orange, hint of brown.
    Mandellin - Brown

    AM-2233
    Marquis - Yellow
    Mecke - Yellow
    Mandellin - Yellow

    URB-597
    Marquis - no reaction
    Mecke - Grey
    Mandellin - no reaction

    Conclusion/comments:
    These reagents are sufficient to detect synthetic cannabinoids in common circulation
    These reagents are sufficient to distinguish between classes of synthetic cannabinoids, but not between closely related compounds.
    It is as yet unverified whether these are suitable for analysis of smoke blends, or determination of adulterants in cannabis.
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    Possibly one of the best posts I have seen here. Thanks a lot!
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    I have renamed the thread as the OP requested.

    Thanks SO MUCH! This is EXCELLENT!
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    Awesome work and post Azo!
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    i think this would deserve a sticky.
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    This is brilliant! Thank you very much Azo
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    Hello Azo,

    Thanks you very much for sharing your work with us!
    Great post.

    Cordially K.
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    Good job just what ive been looking for, thanks Azo!
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