I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that is stupid or trifling. Or sourcing? The fact of the matter is that it is likely that we will see an influx of experience reports coming in given that samples have been offered today. C'mon now, mentioning that samples are going out is sourcing?? We know these chemicals don't just come out of the clear blue sky! 8(
RCs (3-FA) 3-fluoro-amphetamine Megathread
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As an ex-meth user I can tell you that this substance is as close as you can get to Meth, without actually doing it. On a scale of 1-10, Meth comes in at an 11. The 3-FA comes in around a 4. No Brauxism, reward is high, so you will redose. Clean stim without the metabolic frolic. We did ~ .5 grams in 2 days between 3 people. 2 of us stayed up all night and one of us slept, although not completely. Has the tendency to make the top of your head tingle with high doses in short periods of time. By some, take the trip. Was a good way to get my Calc III and Bioinformatics HW done. Hope you all find this helpful.
Thanks for the info, but care to elabo on the dosage range you used, most notably the first. ROA? Any issues with vasoconstriction or any other causes for concern? I can't wait to receive this and see if it would be useful for self-medicating my ADD.
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so can there already be said something regarding dosage and duration of this compound? is it more of an straight functional stimulant, like 2-FA, or has it also entactogenic properties like 4-FA?
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Can anyone with personal experience please write a comparison of 3-FA compared to 2-FA and 4-FA?
Personally in the past I've found 2-FA to have a nice stimulant action. Not bad as a study aid if not too much is used. I much prefer 2-FA to MDPV or desoxypipradrol. Too much 2-FA and I feel too "racey" to concentrate fully, but then it's better than studying falling asleep or the nasty caffeine edginess I hate. Also duration of 2-FA is short so it's not that long before the "racey" feeling mellows out if I have too much. 4-FA gave me more euphoria and more of a pleasant relaxed buzz a little closer to m-amp. Better for a weekend of fun rather than study. Both 2-FA and 4-FA were vaped. 4-FA gave me nice head tingles sometimes after a nice big burn. Taking a much larger dosage orally of 4-FA (around 100+ to 150mg as recommended) gave me a real similar loved up feeling to MDMA (better than 4-MMC and probably close or similar to some of the odd few times I've really had a great loved up feeling on bk-MDMA). After a couple of hours before it gave way to just a stimulated speedy feeling and a bit cracked out like m-amp comedown. 4-FA vaped didn't give me that MDMA like high but maybe it was the awesome music and environment when I did it orally that helped me reach such an awesome high?!?
Personally in the past I've found 2-FA to have a nice stimulant action. Not bad as a study aid if not too much is used. I much prefer 2-FA to MDPV or desoxypipradrol. Too much 2-FA and I feel too "racey" to concentrate fully, but then it's better than studying falling asleep or the nasty caffeine edginess I hate. Also duration of 2-FA is short so it's not that long before the "racey" feeling mellows out if I have too much. 4-FA gave me more euphoria and more of a pleasant relaxed buzz a little closer to m-amp. Better for a weekend of fun rather than study. Both 2-FA and 4-FA were vaped. 4-FA gave me nice head tingles sometimes after a nice big burn. Taking a much larger dosage orally of 4-FA (around 100+ to 150mg as recommended) gave me a real similar loved up feeling to MDMA (better than 4-MMC and probably close or similar to some of the odd few times I've really had a great loved up feeling on bk-MDMA). After a couple of hours before it gave way to just a stimulated speedy feeling and a bit cracked out like m-amp comedown. 4-FA vaped didn't give me that MDMA like high but maybe it was the awesome music and environment when I did it orally that helped me reach such an awesome high?!?
3-FA: first 'on' experience
compound: 3-FA, aka meta-Fluoroamphetamine, aka PAL-353, aka 1-(3-Fluorophenyl)propan-2-amine...
dose: 120 mg oral on empty stomach
t=0:30: starting to feel the effects of the drug
t=0:30-4:00: lots of smooth calm stimulation with mellow hints of euphoria. Definitely much less (if any) MDMA feel and so probably also less 5-HT activity than with 4-FA. This one feels more like straight stimmy DA/NE active.
t=4:00-16:00: strong residual stimulation that goes on and on. The good news: No Crash and no desire to redose. Remarkable mental focus. The bad news: Annoying insomnia, worse then with an equal dose 4-FA. I couldn't sleep until i benzoed myself down with 0.25 mg Brotizolam.
t=20:00: woke up with no hangover (i felt fine actually), only a slight headache probably coming from insufficient hydration (my bad)
from my first impressions, 3-FA feels like the calmer, nerdier brother of party-boy 4-FA despite the apparent similarities.
I wonder if a bigger dose will bring out more euphoric properties, but i'm afraid that a bigger dose could also worsen the insomnia
compound: 3-FA, aka meta-Fluoroamphetamine, aka PAL-353, aka 1-(3-Fluorophenyl)propan-2-amine...
dose: 120 mg oral on empty stomach
t=0:30: starting to feel the effects of the drug
t=0:30-4:00: lots of smooth calm stimulation with mellow hints of euphoria. Definitely much less (if any) MDMA feel and so probably also less 5-HT activity than with 4-FA. This one feels more like straight stimmy DA/NE active.
t=4:00-16:00: strong residual stimulation that goes on and on. The good news: No Crash and no desire to redose. Remarkable mental focus. The bad news: Annoying insomnia, worse then with an equal dose 4-FA. I couldn't sleep until i benzoed myself down with 0.25 mg Brotizolam.
t=20:00: woke up with no hangover (i felt fine actually), only a slight headache probably coming from insufficient hydration (my bad)
from my first impressions, 3-FA feels like the calmer, nerdier brother of party-boy 4-FA despite the apparent similarities.
I wonder if a bigger dose will bring out more euphoric properties, but i'm afraid that a bigger dose could also worsen the insomnia
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Although this is my first post, SWIM wanted to share SWIMs experience with 3-FA as there seems to be little information available.
The substance appeared as a very fluffy white powder. Unfortunately SWIM was out for the weekend when the delivery arrived and there was a slight hole in the sealed envelope which allowed some damp to get in. Fortunately some gentle heating got the substance back to a dry consistency. The vendor is a trusted source...
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A colourful history of experience..., not into trippy things per se. Average tolerance.
First dose - 10mg / insufflated / empty stomach / at home / had a beer also:
+0:00 This stuff really burns, but it's fairly short-lived. Compared to some 4-MEC that SWIM tried recently it was probably twice the burn but half the duration...
+0:10 Quick onset - getting that wiggly eye feeling that you get from bzp. Light headed buzz - nothing too serious just yet. A general good feeling
+0:20 Can feel the stim effects from this one. All pain has dissapated by this point, to be replaced by a gentle mood elevation.
+0:40 Feels a bit like reasonable quality cocaine - quite smooth, light, not too serious. Can concentrate and make conversation with my girlfriend. Some slight entactogenic feelings.
+1:00 Went shopping, was probably feeling pretty normal at this point but with some extra energy and mood elevation. Quite a strong urge to re-dose. SWIM can see this one becoming a reward sapper.
+etc Back to normal really, mood still a bit lifted. Re-dose urge quite high, but seems to die down with time. Bruxism still present. Eyes still feeling quite open. No real pupil dilation.
Thoughts on this experience:
-This was quite a small dose, but the reward was still quite high which makes me think this substance releases a lot of dopamine, hence the re-dose urges.
-It has a nice, clean, head-high feeling. Similar 'cleanliness' to cocaine but the rush of perhaps speed or some other stim.
-Some minor bruxism but nothing that cant be controlled at this dose level.
Overall this is quite a nice one, if you dont mind a bit of burn (no pain no gain) for a few seconds then this is definitely worth a go. Just be careful and wait till you baseline before considering a re-dose.
I hope this helps, I will try and post another report of SWIMs experience with different surroundings / dose etc.
beep
The substance appeared as a very fluffy white powder. Unfortunately SWIM was out for the weekend when the delivery arrived and there was a slight hole in the sealed envelope which allowed some damp to get in. Fortunately some gentle heating got the substance back to a dry consistency. The vendor is a trusted source...
About SWIM:
24
~11st
Healthy
A colourful history of experience..., not into trippy things per se. Average tolerance.
First dose - 10mg / insufflated / empty stomach / at home / had a beer also:
+0:00 This stuff really burns, but it's fairly short-lived. Compared to some 4-MEC that SWIM tried recently it was probably twice the burn but half the duration...
+0:10 Quick onset - getting that wiggly eye feeling that you get from bzp. Light headed buzz - nothing too serious just yet. A general good feeling
+0:20 Can feel the stim effects from this one. All pain has dissapated by this point, to be replaced by a gentle mood elevation.
+0:40 Feels a bit like reasonable quality cocaine - quite smooth, light, not too serious. Can concentrate and make conversation with my girlfriend. Some slight entactogenic feelings.
+1:00 Went shopping, was probably feeling pretty normal at this point but with some extra energy and mood elevation. Quite a strong urge to re-dose. SWIM can see this one becoming a reward sapper.
+etc Back to normal really, mood still a bit lifted. Re-dose urge quite high, but seems to die down with time. Bruxism still present. Eyes still feeling quite open. No real pupil dilation.
Thoughts on this experience:
-This was quite a small dose, but the reward was still quite high which makes me think this substance releases a lot of dopamine, hence the re-dose urges.
-It has a nice, clean, head-high feeling. Similar 'cleanliness' to cocaine but the rush of perhaps speed or some other stim.
-Some minor bruxism but nothing that cant be controlled at this dose level.
Overall this is quite a nice one, if you dont mind a bit of burn (no pain no gain) for a few seconds then this is definitely worth a go. Just be careful and wait till you baseline before considering a re-dose.
I hope this helps, I will try and post another report of SWIMs experience with different surroundings / dose etc.
beep
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Beeproop the use of 'SWIM' is not allowed on this forum. It would not help you with anything because nobody is fooled by anything. That is an illusion, a bit of wishful thinking. If it's not too much trouble please change your post where necessary, if not you might get a lower number of people wanting to read the post.
Other than that, welcome to the board
at leat as an active member now. Hopefully you stay willing to write posts
Other than that, welcome to the board
at leat as an active member now. Hopefully you stay willing to write posts
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Haven't been around here much lately but figured I'd log back on to give more details of this chem, doesn't seem to be much available on it anywhere. Can't get too specific because I need more time with it to really get a feel for it.
Only other RC I've tried was 4-fa and I didn't like it, I am not after any of that enactogenic(sp?) stuff and frankly do not even like those types of drugs, only other exp was mdma and hated it. Anyways I wanted a clean stim to replace dexamp and this took the cake. Started with a small scoop insufflated but decided it wasn't the best ROA for me unless I had some coca on hand to kill the burn.
But for now I will leave you guys with some minor descriptions. A larger oral dose - definitely a clean clear headed mental stimulant, none of that 'xtc' feeling like 4-fa. Nice increase in motivation and energy. Still maintained some degree of an appetite during the come up which diminished as it peaked, but it wasn't that feeling where you can't even look at food, it was milder, I could still eat if I tried but I just didn't have any drive to do it. I'm still feeling a glow from the oral dose, taken about 3 1/2hrs ago. No real drive to redose either but I am probably going to for work, unless I just take some dexedrine instead.
At the current time my subox is wearing of and I am noticing my thoughts are beginning to scatter again, however I still have the motivation energy from the 3-fa going good, in fact if it wasn't for that 'foggy' feeling of the sub wearing off I wouldn't even notice it was time for another piece of film. I don't have the 'yawns' or any of the normal symptoms you get when sub wears off, just not able to think super clear like before.
But if your a speeder like me and want a clean clear stim to just get your head on straight than I will guarantee this is what you've been searching for
Only other RC I've tried was 4-fa and I didn't like it, I am not after any of that enactogenic(sp?) stuff and frankly do not even like those types of drugs, only other exp was mdma and hated it. Anyways I wanted a clean stim to replace dexamp and this took the cake. Started with a small scoop insufflated but decided it wasn't the best ROA for me unless I had some coca on hand to kill the burn.
But for now I will leave you guys with some minor descriptions. A larger oral dose - definitely a clean clear headed mental stimulant, none of that 'xtc' feeling like 4-fa. Nice increase in motivation and energy. Still maintained some degree of an appetite during the come up which diminished as it peaked, but it wasn't that feeling where you can't even look at food, it was milder, I could still eat if I tried but I just didn't have any drive to do it. I'm still feeling a glow from the oral dose, taken about 3 1/2hrs ago. No real drive to redose either but I am probably going to for work, unless I just take some dexedrine instead.
At the current time my subox is wearing of and I am noticing my thoughts are beginning to scatter again, however I still have the motivation energy from the 3-fa going good, in fact if it wasn't for that 'foggy' feeling of the sub wearing off I wouldn't even notice it was time for another piece of film. I don't have the 'yawns' or any of the normal symptoms you get when sub wears off, just not able to think super clear like before.
But if your a speeder like me and want a clean clear stim to just get your head on straight than I will guarantee this is what you've been searching for
heavywater
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rockson, any idea of the dosage you took for this trial? i will be getting some of this soon and am curious where to start...
i am thinking around 10 - 15 mg perhaps?
looks like an exciting compound for the stim fans out there.
i am thinking around 10 - 15 mg perhaps?
looks like an exciting compound for the stim fans out there.
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That is a huge and very irresponsible amount to ingest of a chemical with practically no history of use. So no wonder he got into trouble...
erbaviva_girls
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what is best among : 3-fmc and 3-fa ?
1:which burns more of the nose ?
2:what is the strongest?
you can say that the two products are very similar?
1:which burns more of the nose ?
2:what is the strongest?
you can say that the two products are very similar?
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I can´t imagine taking 100-150mg as a starting dose. A 15-20mg line produces a satisfiable high for me.
1 remarkable thing about this compound: unlike other RC stims I had a very strong urge to socialise on this one. Even not so plain RC stims like 4-FA didn´t give this kind of urge.
By far my preferred RC stim atm. There is a certain warmth to the experience that other plain stims lack. Also,it doesn´t leave me feeling like i´m "almost there", which i have on other RC stims no matter how high the dose is. Only other rc stims i tried so far are mdpv and mpa btw.
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PD -> Other Drugs
erbaviva_girls
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???
Ditto for me, and I weigh about 110 kilos. I've found that two 15 mg bumps, spaced 3-4 hours apart provides good clean stimuation for an entire work day. (I work at home in front of a computer screen.) No problems sleeping either, as long as it's not taken too late in the day.
I think I prefer this compound to plain d-amphetamine. I'm assuming the compound I have is recemic, but I wonder how enantiomerically pure d-3-FA would be. Not that that's ever going to happen, since by the looks of things, RC manufacturers can't be bothered to do even the most basic of purifications/separations. Enantiomeric separations are out of the question. But I digress...