[Mega] The "Why won't MDMA work for me?" thread

[Jbaines154]

I'd take tums. Drink oj and water before. I didn't roll my first time either. But I doubled the dose the second time and I was so FUCKING high, I threw up and pissed myself. So don't do that. Smoke some weed or take a few shots after you take the points. Exercise can actually make the high better. But only do light exercise for about 10 minutes, 30 minutes after you take your first dose. You might of just psyched yourself out of being high worrying when it'll hit. It sounds like you were on the come up but never peaked. So just be patient. It'll work on you

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think you should take .25 gs, that's about 2.5 capsules/points...eat 3 hours before and exercise 30 minutes before. Like light jogging. Then drink some orange juice 45 minutes after taking it. Always buy from someone you trust. You never know what someone would give you.

None of that shit matters if it is actual MDMA -- if you have to go through all that shgit to roll off 250 mg -- it's junk

All you have to do with REAL MDMA is drop a point or point and a half in a half bottle of water, shake it up real good, and drink it -- wait about 35-45 minutes when the golden light spreads out through your body from just below your navel

 

[Cotcha Yankinov]

Or if you have to take 250mg you could have tolerance and should cut back for a while... Many people have lost the magic entirely.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If "MDMA isn't working for you" it most likely isn't real MDMA or you've been abusing MDMA far too much. Also, as mentioned many times before, most "Molly" sold in the U.S. is just an RC (usually bk-MDMA/Methylone).


It's unfortunate, because there's nothing that compares to the warm, tactile, empathogenic magic of MDMA/MDA.

Well, that statement isn't entirely accurate. The APBs certainly do, more than a few people find an extremely similar experience on methylone -- you just need alot more mg methylone than you do of MDMA

MDAI and a dopamine releaser is IMO almost indistinguishable from MDMA except with a better body high, MORE empathy -- and an almost non-existent comedown

 

[Jabberwocky]

if its pure 120 mg is what u need, go for 300mg if ya wanna roll nice ......and plug it

300 mg of actual pure MDMA HCl plugged -- will have any normal person catatonic and droooling for a few hours after probably puking their guts up

 

[Jabberwocky]

hi keep in mind theres many wqays to syth mdma. it could be racmic containing both left and right isomers which will give you different result than say.....the "D" isomer which is more active euphoricly speaking its easier for some cooks to produce mda, which is stronger but different and my get visions of tripEness, or mdea which will be less intense and lack some empathy. so many factors, and if its pure it should look like crystals, or like meth brownish color could mean mda, or amix which is my fav,,,,but plug x if you want the most bang from it!!!

so much bad information.

1. MDMA is ALWAYS a racemic mix -- unless you specifically ordered it from Sigma-Aldrich or Cayman Chemicals for GC/MS calibration -- no clandestine chemist is going to waste money, time, and product to attempt to synth isomerically pure MDMA -- and it DOES NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT

2. The euphoria hugs and love ONLY COME FROM THE RACEMIX MIX -- the l-isomer is very stimulating the r-isomer is hardly active -- I suggest you read some of the literature

3. MDA is not "stronger" it has a different action and a different monamine releasing profile -- it is usually psychedelic, but not ALWAYS, it was called the hug drug back in the 70's -- so it has empathy -- for some people it lasts much longer than MDMA

4. you CANNOT determine purity by look, taste, crystals vs powder -- whatever, the only ways to determine purity are in an actual lab

 

[NightQiid]

Last time I raved, my friends drunk emergen-c and had a tums before rolling. What's the point of that?

Also, I'm in the same boat. I started with half a pink redbull, I felt a slight come up but nothing major. Then later I took 1/4 which made it slightly more intense but still no peak. Should I start with a full? I'm kinda new to the scene and don't want to over do it.

 

[Snufkin]

First time MDMA - no effect.

95mg light-brown chrystal from Netherlands via a reputable source - no, I did not test the substance myself, but a thread about this particular batch indicates it should be ok. I'm 6 feet, 150 lbs 40-something guy, under no medication and have never been except prednisolone drops for chronic eye disease. I've done couple dozen lsd trips and a half dozen times amphetamines in my life, and only now tried MDMA, funny enough. Those have always been pleasant experiences. Set and setting was the same as always, no surprices there. Only thing I got was like the negative stimulant effect - elevated heart rate (about 90 while resting). That's pretty much it. No mood lift, if anything disappointment after 3 hours. I wasn't expecting anything, just curious how this would feel like.

This might be a shot in the dark, but could it be I have so low level of serotonin present that there's not much to release. I'm definitely glass half empty kind of person and have been more or less depressed my whole life and 3 years straight of using predisolone (locally, to the eyes only though) might also have impacted negatively on the serotonin levels. Or, I might be totally wrong. I don't know.

 

[omnislasherz]

Fully tested pills and still nothing

Okay so I have tried rolling twice and both times I didn't feel any effects. Before you ask:

1. YES I did test my stuff. I bought all three testing reagents, the Marquis, Mecke, and Mandelin.
2. I actually bought two types of pills from two different sources, Red Coca Colas and Pink Redbulls both of which tested positive for MDMA on all three reagents.
3. Both times I did have some symptoms of the drug: sweating and jaw clenching mostly with some lightheadedness at first.
4. No, I am not depressed and the only medication I am on are inhalers for my asthma.

First time: Back in Sept of this year went to a show with friends and decided to go with the Coca Colas for my first time. I got these from a trusted source who knew how careful I liked to be with drugs so he told me to take a third of it each time (yes I tested them before the show even though he's a trusted source). One full tab is 220mg so each third is about 70-80mg. First I took a third of the Coca Colas, 30 min later felt a bit lightheaded and slightly nauseous but passed within 20 minutes. One hour after first dropping, I felt nothing so I redosed with another third. 30 minutes after the redose I took the last third. So over two hours I had 220mg total. I had two sandwiches all day and felt completely sober the whole night and was able to sleep with no problems.

Second time: Waited two months after the first time so it was the first week of November. Went to another show, and decided to drop try the Red Bulls this time. They were 220mg as well. Was really bummed that I didn't feel it the first time so I brought two tabs with me. Long story short, I took a half tab, 110mg, every 30 minutes, so over the course of two hours I took 2 full tabs, 440mg. Didn't feel the euphoria. Just a lot of pupil dilation, jaw clenching, sweating, and some eye wiggles. I have 6 or 7 friends who used these same Red Bulls and said they were good so I was REALLY bummed this time around.

After reading through most of the posts in this thread, and using my own personal experience, I have come to the conclusion that there are certain very unlucky people out there who might just not be able to to feel the effects of MDMA. That doesn't mean I'm giving up though. I'm still gonna try, but I'm waiting a few months before the next show. I ran out of both those pills, but I have a third kind, Pink Teslas. They say that these pills are super strong, clocking in at 270mg per tab. I've tested and they're clean. I'm debating whether or not I should just drop the whole tab at once and whether or not to smoke some weed before/after. I hear that one tab is already a lot and I took two of them in one night, I really don't think taking more is gonna help. Thoughts?

 

[Jabberwocky]

First time MDMA - no effect.

95mg light-brown chrystal from Netherlands via a reputable source - no, I did not test the substance myself, but a thread about this particular batch indicates it should be ok. I'm 6 feet, 150 lbs 40-something guy, under no medication and have never been except prednisolone drops for chronic eye disease. I've done couple dozen lsd trips and a half dozen times amphetamines in my life, and only now tried MDMA, funny enough. Those have always been pleasant experiences. Set and setting was the same as always, no surprices there. Only thing I got was like the negative stimulant effect - elevated heart rate (about 90 while resting). That's pretty much it. No mood lift, if anything disappointment after 3 hours. I wasn't expecting anything, just curious how this would feel like.

This might be a shot in the dark, but could it be I have so low level of serotonin present that there's not much to release. I'm definitely glass half empty kind of person and have been more or less depressed my whole life and 3 years straight of using predisolone (locally, to the eyes only though) might also have impacted negatively on the serotonin levels. Or, I might be totally wrong. I don't know.

1. How do you know you have low serotonin in your synaptic vesicles?? There is NO WAY TO KNOW -- unless you let someone cut a slice of your brain and test -- no blood test will be able to show levels of BRAIN SEROTONIN -- and there is ZERO correlation between BRAIN serotonin and BLOOD SEROTONIN levels

2. you took 95 mg of a substance that tested to have some MDXX -- no way to know purity or what MDXX it was

 

[Jabberwocky]

Okay so I have tried rolling twice and both times I didn't feel any effects. Before you ask:

1. YES I did test my stuff. I bought all three testing reagents, the Marquis, Mecke, and Mandelin.
2. I actually bought two types of pills from two different sources, Red Coca Colas and Pink Redbulls both of which tested positive for MDMA on all three reagents.
3. Both times I did have some symptoms of the drug: sweating and jaw clenching mostly with some lightheadedness at first.
4. No, I am not depressed and the only medication I am on are inhalers for my asthma.

?

can show presence of MDXX or MDMA -- but not content

 

[omnislasherz]

can show presence of MDXX or MDMA -- but not content

True, but check the second page, third pill down: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_0716.pdf
That's the Pink Redbull I tried the second time, they tested 4 of those pills ranging from 215mg-266mg.

Not to mention:
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35588
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36346
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36041
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35656
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35550
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35477
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36622
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36053

And also don't forget about my 6 friends who tried the same pills the same night and were rolling hard. I so badly want to believe that it's all just a fluke, a bad batch of pills or whatever. But it doesn't seem to be the case. I'm gonna try to roll one or two more times but I don't really want to keep pushing the dose higher.

Edit: Also found the Red Coca Cola, page 4 first pill: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_0616.pdf
Tesla, page 2 middle pill: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_05152.pdf

 

[dnmor]

Did not find a response to my version of this problem.

I have taken MDAM (always 84% crystals) perhaps 14-18 times in the last 8 years. I have always needed to take a higher dose then my friends but the last two times, 6 moth apart I have had no positive effects, but I had the regular side effects of taking a bit to much (nausea, shuttering jaw, eye mussel cant keep up).

When it has worked the nausea passes after a while and the euphoric effects sets in. But now even if I take 300mg+ within a few h there is no euphoric effect.

Takeing a very large dose like 350mg+ at one time I have not done or looked up the possible dangers of but i bet i will throw up since I almost did it on 150mg this on empty stomach while I started to made dinner. While half way trough dinner I felt nauseas and stopped eating and expected the euphoric part to start soon, but as i said nothing good happened.

Can MDMA stop having an effect even if you take it rarely and are note on any meds?

 

[Jabberwocky]

True, but check the second page, third pill down: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_0716.pdf
That's the Pink Redbull I tried the second time, they tested 4 of those pills ranging from 215mg-266mg.

Not to mention:
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35588
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36346
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36041
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35656
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35550
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=35477
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36622
http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=36053

And also don't forget about my 6 friends who tried the same pills the same night and were rolling hard. I so badly want to believe that it's all just a fluke, a bad batch of pills or whatever. But it doesn't seem to be the case. I'm gonna try to roll one or two more times but I don't really want to keep pushing the dose higher.

Edit: Also found the Red Coca Cola, page 4 first pill: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_0616.pdf
Tesla, page 2 middle pill: http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/media/checkit_Warnungen_05152.pdf

I guess you think that every Red Coca Cola/Tesla/Pink red Bull -- came from the same batch or same chemist -- LOL

Think about it -- if I was a chemist and I wanted to make as much $$$$ as I could I would press some pills that were high content and send them to pill reports myself -- to hype my pressing

Then I would make a batch of pills with above average dose, then a batch of average dose -- and then I would press a bunch with no active chem at all MWAHAHAHA!

And I would mix the batches together -- so people that don't get off think it's them -- fucking hilarious

Honestly, do you think the chemists give a fuck about people dropping pills!!!!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Did not find a response to my version of this problem.

I have taken MDAM (always 84% crystals) perhaps 14-18 times in the last 8 years. I have always needed to take a higher dose then my friends but the last two times, 6 moth apart I have had no positive effects, but I had the regular side effects of taking a bit to much (nausea, shuttering jaw, eye mussel cant keep up).

When it has worked the nausea passes after a while and the euphoric effects sets in. But now even if I take 300mg+ within a few h there is no euphoric effect.

Takeing a very large dose like 350mg+ at one time I have not done or looked up the possible dangers of but i bet i will throw up since I almost did it on 150mg this on empty stomach while I started to made dinner. While half way trough dinner I felt nauseas and stopped eating and expected the euphoric part to start soon, but as i said nothing good happened.

Can MDMA stop having an effect even if you take it rarely and are note on any meds?

1. It's straight bullshit for you to post you always have 84% -- 84% is bullshit -- its a misunderstanding of the molecular weight of MDMA freebase (a oil you shouldn't ingest) vs MDMA hydrochloride (the powder we think of as MDMA)

2. If you and your friends are taking 300 mg of something -- it's not MDMA or it's cut to hell and back

3. please post how you test your substance to be sure it's MDMA and the purity, because unless you had your sample tested by HPLC/GCMS -- you can't know

 

[ThomasD]

Im sick of everybody here saying 'bunk pills' and 'anti-depressants'. I have tested my MDMA crystals and I have never been on anti-depressants, and everybody around me gets wired as hell. However I just feel stimulated and bored EVERY time. No euphoria or empathy. Dilated pupils, frequent urination, colours become more vivid (mildly), and smoking feels great. If anything I get paradoxical effects, as I become completely anti-social and 'in my own world'. I won't move or talk for hours. My doses have ranged from low to what you'd call TOO high and the effects mentioned just get less or more intense, nothing more. I'm putting this down to low serotonin levels. Anybody else?

 

[Kwilli]

Im sick of everybody here saying 'bunk pills' and 'anti-depressants'. I have tested my MDMA crystals and I have never been on anti-depressants, and everybody around me gets wired as hell. However I just feel stimulated and bored EVERY time. No euphoria or empathy. Dilated pupils, frequent urination, colours become more vivid (mildly), and smoking feels great. If anything I get paradoxical effects, as I become completely anti-social and 'in my own world'. I won't move or talk for hours. My doses have ranged from low to what you'd call TOO high and the effects mentioned just get less or more intense, nothing more. I'm putting this down to low serotonin levels. Anybody else?

I have the same issue

 

[Kwilli]

MDMA not working after stooped taking SSRI 8 months ago

I started to take Floxet(Fluoxetin)SSRI antidepressants in august 2016.I didn't know that i must not roll while i'm on the med so I kept taking MDMA once in every 2 months(1 pill/night)I couldn't roll obviously) till i get to know that MDMA is not working on SSRI.I stopped taking the med in march 2017.

(ALL OF THE PILLS WERE SURE MDMA, my friends rolled with them they had a good time)

It's been 8 months since I stopped taking the medication but I still can't roll.I tried 5-HTP, Saint John's worth , they didn't helped.Now i'm taking Rhodiolin I'll see if it helps.

What should i do?
My last try on mdma was in august 2017.

 

[Glubrahnum]

I started to take Floxet(Fluoxetin)SSRI antidepressants in august 2016.I didn't know that i must not roll while i'm on the med so I kept taking MDMA once in every 2 months(1 pill/night)I couldn't roll obviously) till i get to know that MDMA is not working on SSRI. I stopped taking the med in march 2017.

Yes, SSRIs interfere with MDMA but not indefinitely.

(ALL OF THE PILLS WERE SURE MDMA, my friends rolled with them they had a good time)

How can you be sure. Feelings are very subjective.
Did you notice something objective?
Were their pupils dilated? If "yes" after what minimal dose?
Did you notice any Trismus?
Did they go to the bathroom to pee while under the influence of this "MDMA" ?

It's been 8 months since I stopped taking the medication but I still can't roll.I tried 5-HTP, Saint John's worth , they didn't helped.Now i'm taking Rhodiolin I'll see if it helps.

This should be be enough for your serotonin receptors to upregulate.
What do you mean by "I still can't roll" ?
Do your pupils dilate in 1h after 100mg after this MDMA?
How do you feel after taking it? How long does this feeling last?

What should i do?

Be more rigorous.
After making absolutely certain, with professional spectroscopic analysis, that you have the real 3,4-MDMA * HCl with the Shulgin's enantiomer ratio (or racemic), go and get a PET brain scan after being injected with a serotonin marker.

 

[Glubrahnum]

I got some "pure MDMA" capsules from a friend (not the person I usually get ecstasy from) and they did pretty much nothing. my best friend (who I always roll with) and I each ended up taking 3 capsules (just swallowing the capsules) by the end of the night and while he got some energy from it, all I felt was sickish and unpleasant. the only medications I take are anti-inflammatories and adderall XR,

MDMA has cross-tolerance with Adderal so this would explain that.

1. my friend who gave me these capsules (who's never taken MDMA) told me that MDMA powder capsules aren't supposed to give the same effects as ecstasy tablets. he said that the the way they affected me (causing me to be awake and alert but not making me feel good at all) are what should be expected. this doesn't make sense to me, because if the active ingredient in ecstasy is MDMA, shouldn't pure MDMA have the same effects as ecstasy?

Your friend is wrong and you are right. Racemic 3,4-MDMA * HCl is all that matters in the end.

unless something happens during the process of creating an ecstasy tablet that changes something about the chemicals themselves, therefore making them give different effects?

Nothing happens. The physical process of pressing the tablet is incapable of changing the MDMA into something else.

2. I asked my friend who I normally get ecstasy from and he said the MDMA capsules he had recently were also bad, and said it was just a bad batch. I'm confused about this because, assuming what I had was actually MDMA, how does a "bad batch" happen? is there a way the process of creating MDMA powder can be messed up.

Yes it can be and it does happen.

For example the end product might contain:
- an similar isobaric substitute, e.g. 2,3-MDMA,
- an unknown but isobaric 3,4-MDMA antagonizing substance,
- a different 3,4-MDMA enantiomer ratio,
- or maybe, just maybe,... a different salt of 3,4-MDMA.

All of these will test as MDxx by the presumptive reagent tests and as MDMA by the professional labs that use Gas Chromatography / Mass Spectroscopy without expensive derivatization and chiral columns.

Your first clue that the MDMA is Bad will be the lack of pupil dilation after 1h of consumption of 100mg of MDMA.


I wrote more about this in this thread.