Info Why we don't use 'SWIM' MEGATHREAD

Why use swim when you can just say your friend did this. That way you won't look a fucking fool and legally you'd be fine (I assume, never actually heard of someone getting prosecuted because of a forum post).
 
In any case, you cannot be prosecuted for anything put on a forum like this without saying "I did XYZ." Their point is that swim or my friend or my pet anything is all the same to them and just as annoying. They're saying all of them should be left out here on BL. I don't agree that it's completely and only a false sense of security, but if you're doing things that are highly illegal on a large scale and then talking about them on the internet, you're a fucking fool. Otherwise, I'm sure that the worst that could happen is some authority trace you and/or watch you, but that would definitely happen with or without SWIM, etc. You'll be fine if you're not trafficking drugs or selling rolls, OCs, H, etc.
 
Look like in all reality as stated by Neo Incapitator, If the Cops were going to prosecute anyone on bluelight for a crime discovered outside bluelight, but use bluelight as supporting evidence, they would simply state you IP Adress and reference that to the crime you have been done for. For example if you get down for buying 20 pills, and there is a bluelight post registered to your IP Adress saying "Man i am about to buy 20 pills" regardless of whether or not you use SWIM or I you will get done.

And lets be serious, SWIM has been overused to the point where anyone who doesnt think SWIM is the actual person who typed the post must be retarded..
 
At least in the US (dunno about elsewhere) you're not going to be prosecuted for saying "I did X drug this weekend." You may start getting the attention of law enforcement if you say "I sold X quantity of drugs this weekend," post pictures of the 10,000 watt marijuana grow in your basement or let people know that you've got several thousand hits of some of the finest MDMA ever brewed and will sell them at a very reasonable price.

The hassle of getting an IP address (especially on an international board like this one) means you aren't likely to draw attention from law enforcement over small quantities. If you make it worth their while by bragging about how you just synthesized several kilos of methaqualone, they may decide it's worth trying to track you down. In any case SWIM or not-SWIM isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.

(All this being said: be very careful when you're meeting someone through BL for the first time... especially when/if you are meeting to sell them drugs or even to buy drugs from them. You're less likely to get caught up in a reverse sting than a regular sting, but there's still a chance that guy who only wants a few Oxys is a cop. It's not impossible to imagine a LEO doing a search for posters in his general vicinity and making nice with them in the hopes of breaking a major internet drug ring. Of course, we all know that no one uses BL for sourcing but in case you were thinking about it it's probably a bad idea... )
 
i guess it is kinda pointless then, i hope this will enlighten a few minds and lowers the use of SWIM online.
 
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hmmm if SWIM doesn't protect anyone why do they use it. Why not just talk about hypotheticals without reffering to any one person and as what if if someone were to etc....
 
Kenaz said:
(All this being said: be very careful when you're meeting someone through BL for the first time... especially when/if you are meeting to sell them drugs or even to buy drugs from them. You're less likely to get caught up in a reverse sting than a regular sting, but there's still a chance that guy who only wants a few Oxys is a cop. It's not impossible to imagine a LEO doing a search for posters in his general vicinity and making nice with them in the hopes of breaking a major internet drug ring. Of course, we all know that no one uses BL for sourcing but in case you were thinking about it it's probably a bad idea... )
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Thank you for that post, its well said and spot on!
 
Does SWIM really offer protection? And pets shouldn't take drugs.

I've always been a lurker and fan of BL due to the lack of SWIM, SWIY or pets that go clubbing while fucked off their faces.

I hate it when I read a thread on drugs forum and the SWIM elitists have declared war on someone for making a subtle swim mistake when in reality it's just a mistake.
Are they really going to be raided by the FBI at 4 in the morning...

My questions are:

Do these retarded methods actually offer protection from the law on certain sites?

If so why is bluelight not require them, is bluelight counted as a fiction forum for drugs (that is what my guess was)?

What are other people’s thoughts on SWIM? Is it just me who gets extremely wound up by it all?
 
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See I always thought the same, if they actually don't protect the poster then why the hell are there sites strict with enforcing it?

I think they must all be tweakers with the blinds shut who chucked away the phone because they "knew" the government was listening in. Crazy bitches.
 
^ Yep. Either that or the sites are run by kids who have no real idea of how the law works.
 
hmm from my LACK of training regards law......:

First off you have to know you are doing something wrong.
Second of all you have to do something wrong.

So let us say that some judge certifies a search warrant for your house based on what you say online. Unfortunatley since THE JUDGE allowed it yes it counts and yes anything they find is legit. Sure apeal and whatnot but still basically they allowed it so it is allowed.

The question therefore is simplified to does the use of SWIM prevent judges from issuing search warrants, and I have no information on that subject. :S
 
I get really pissed off about SWIM too, when I discovered BL and realized it wasn't used I was so happy. It makes reading posts a bitch honestly, and when I hear about a bunny rolling over the weekend I just feel like either these people overdid it or there is some sort of animal cruelty going on.

And yeah, I have lots of really paranoid friends irl too who panic that if you say "pot" over any form of IM client that you will have the feds at your door immediately. I think it all just amounts to ignorance.
 
^A warrant cannot be issued because of what someone has posted online. It is not substantial evidence. It can be considered evidence along with a charge, though.
 
So swim is pretty much useless then.

So they’re going to all that effort writing about their pet Baby Jesus smoking pot for nothing other than the fact of writing some silly crap.

I think the people running the sites enforcing swim are sick and perverted.
They probably all read SWIM porn. Dirty.
 
Good to know Sykoknot,

I always assumed that things written online, such that it can be proved you were the one to write them, was tantamount to a written statement, which I have seen used as the primary evidential item in informational warrants before.
 
^ That would be silly though seeing as half the internet is just lies and BS.

I still don't why drugs forum insists on swim usage? Anybody know?
 
amapola said:
Good to know Sykoknot,

I always assumed that things written online, such that it can be proved you were the one to write them, was tantamount to a written statement, which I have seen used as the primary evidential item in informational warrants before.
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I'm not quite sure how they would prove that YOU typed it...if its written on paper there is at least possible handwriting analysis that can be done...and if you are dealing with very very large amounts of drugs, you probably shouldn't be talking about having that in your possession in an online forum anyway. I know there are some BL rules similar to the SWIM idea --- don't incriminate yourself. Basically talk about things you have done or need advice with, not " So I have a kilo of blow in my trunk that I snuck over the Mexican border that I need to unload." ;)
 
Sykoknot said:
^A warrant cannot be issued because of what someone has posted online. It is not substantial evidence. It can be considered evidence along with a charge, though.
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Exactly. Also, the authorities aren't gonna waste their time tracking down every drug user who happens to mention that they're smoking weed or rolling on ecstasy. They've got much bigger fish to fry... dealers, suppliers, and so on.
 
I have lots of really paranoid friends irl too who panic that if you say "pot" over any form of IM client that you will have the feds at your door immediately
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I have many friends like that, they daren't use proper chemical names in case MI5 popped by. Yes, they thought James Bond himself was coming to send them away for posting Fbook comments saying they were very high. Luckily they have wizened up... a bit.

They've got much bigger fish to fry... dealers, suppliers, and so on.
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I like to think that the law doesn't hate the players, it just hates the game.
 
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