Info Changes to our site disciplinary system

disgusting porn should recieve a longer ban than quality porn IMO. but that is if posting porn is grounds for a ban and i think for porn it should go temp ban for first two offences then perma ban for any after that.

and i also think that when your points expire and you are able to use the site again your points should turn into ghost points or some thing of the like that so as to keep track of your pervious mess ups so that if some one consistantly cant follow the rules and is not changing they can be removed.
 
^Thats pretty much how the points work now. As to the porn thing, unless its obviously trolling I dont think most porn gets any kind of infraction or ban...
 
Just letting you guys know we've tweaked things a bit. All infractions are now just 1 pt. We've reduced the 'Repeat Offense' from 2 pts, and eliminated the 3 pt 'Major Infraction' since it was never clearly defined.

Before you ask, no we aren't going back to change previous infractions given. Just know that if you do it again, you may only get one point, but you'll still be moved that much closer to a more permanent ban. Thank you, carry on.
 
well its september 1 and I am a dork! MynameisnotDEJA confirmed it when I told her a couple nights ago I was getting to register on BL again (BL = my internet sanctuary since 2001).

I was (AM???) sunyata/gaian planes, samadhi smiles...etc.

I am better now.

Here is my introduction thread if you are interested in reading my perspective. TLDR = heroin habit destroyed my character but now I am recovered.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=8734797#post8734797
 
dont u think u should have informed us that we wouldnt be able to get our own original accounts back? who needs another one when simply an admin can reactivate teh account from admincp? i dont wanna use the word "staff faggotry" but this is wut it looks like. we waited that long and now we r all newfags, thanks tho dont need this im so outta here:|

ps: oh im sure u kno who i am;)
ps2: very very special thanks to all ppl who helped me on this site for 8 years
ps3: hey there andy, miss u babe u kinky fuck;)<3<3
 
Just letting you guys know we've tweaked things a bit. All infractions are now just 1 pt. We've reduced the 'Repeat Offense' from 2 pts, and eliminated the 3 pt 'Major Infraction' since it was never clearly defined.

Before you ask, no we aren't going back to change previous infractions given. Just know that if you do it again, you may only get one point, but you'll still be moved that much closer to a more permanent ban. Thank you, carry on.

The one I would ask to maybe revisit is the 2 points for the repeat violation? I can have people just completely defy me and troll my forum and only be able to give them the initial 1 point, and then an additional 1 for the repeat offense. I really think that should give at lease a 3 day ban or so, which I think would be accomplished with 3 points.

Just my 2 cents. I'm not asking for most of it, just the one feature. If I can give 3 infractions for similar offenses in the same string of events, I guess that work, too, but I think it would be much easier to give the option for 2 points for repeat violation to automatically give the three day ban for situations requiring it.
 
dont u think u should have informed us that we wouldnt be able to get our own original accounts back?

i thought that would be a given, considering you were banned and, until just recently, would never be allowed back on the site (unless you kept your identity hidden from most everyone forever).

just look at this as an opportunity for a fresh start. besides, who actually cares about join date and post count? what really matters is post quality.

I can have people just completely defy me and troll my forum... I really think that should give at lease a 3 day ban or so...

if somebody is deliberately disrupting your forum, you should report or otherwise log the incidents and then discuss the situation with your forum's senior mod or admin - inform them of the situation, what you've tried, how the offender reacted, etc (backed with hard, objective evidence, ie reported and infracted posts, maybe pm exchanges if they're biligerant and abusive). if the situation warrants it, i doubt a ban would be hard to get.
 
just look at this as an opportunity for a fresh start. besides, who actually cares about join date and post count? what really matters is post quality.

i dont care bout join date and shit all i wanted was my posts, my 8 years. this aint fair.



also tlb said 'Our policy is that if you've screwed up enough to be on this kind of list, those account names aren't coming back.'

as an ex-mod on bl i wonder wut policy is that cuz i never heard of it before, not in BLUA or anywhere else.

as far as i remember a temp banned user gets unbanned when the ban is over and go on wit his/her normal account.

anyway. i see no reason to go on discussin this, theres no point, they aint gonna reactivate our accounts. i wonder tho if id donate 5000 usd (its small money for me heh) would they unban my account? can i buy u guys? wuts ur price? every whore has a price so wuts urs?

slay
 
also tlb said 'Our policy is that if you've screwed up enough to be on this kind of list, those account names aren't coming back.'

as an ex-mod on bl i wonder wut policy is that cuz i never heard of it before, not in BLUA or anywhere else.

as far as i remember a temp banned user gets unbanned when the ban is over and go on wit his/her normal account.

that was indeed the former policy*, and for temp bans, you are absolutely correct, but for permabans, and especially ban-on-site bannings, the account(s) will never be active again.

considering that you were former staff, if you hadnt already used your name change, it might've been possible to get your account merged with your original... so with that in mind, perhaps you could set a goal to be on staff once again, and then you might be able to get an account merger, giving you the join date and posts from the original account but not the name.

i doubt it would work out as nice and smooth as that, but it certainly could be discussed as a possibility. maybe something could be worked out, after you work your way off the admin shitlist. :)

* - the reason you'd probably never heard of it is because the ban-on-site shitlist took incredible effort to get on it, and most people didnt know anything at all about it until they saw somebody get banned for what appeared to be no reason. it wasnt really discussed anywhere publicly until somebody went, "wait, wtf just happened?!"
 
The one I would ask to maybe revisit is the 2 points for the repeat violation? I can have people just completely defy me and troll my forum ... to automatically give the three day ban for situations requiring it.

There is the potential for a moderator to misuse the system by quickly inflicting a prolonged ban without getting support from the rest of staff that it is warranted, hence the recent change to points and days. A single mod could fairly easily issue an infraction for a point, but the member isn't suspended until at least 2 points are earned. IF a mod is issuing these without his peer forum mods being aware and in support of the action, it'll be visible to all of staff and we can look into it. This was a step to prevent mods abusing their position and banning members without proper agreement it was earned.

Now, there are instances where a mod may really need to have a member banned - for that we have a staff thread for raising such discussion points, and we have our REPORTED POSTS in which we can see where a problem member is out of line and needs immediate attention. This step is here so that the peer forum mods are enlisted to assess proper direction, and ANY sr. staff member can manually issue a longer temp ban, or additional point (more than one) if warranted. But all of this requires more than one person's input - this way we again avoid the opportunity for a member to cry about unfair treatment.

Also, this helps us with the site overall - as newer mods might use the tool to ban a SPAMMER, but it may only be temporary and not flag sr. staff's attention to the account as is really needed for proper clean it up. :\

dont u think u should have informed us that we wouldnt be able to get our own original accounts back?

The accounts were banned - after several temp-bans, they were fully banned. When would you have ever thought you'd get those back?

that was indeed the former policy*, and for temp bans, you are absolutely correct, but for permabans, and especially ban-on-site bannings, the account(s) will never be active again.

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* - the reason you'd probably never heard of it is because the ban-on-site shitlist took incredible effort to get on it, and most people didnt know anything at all about it until they saw somebody get banned for what appeared to be no reason. it wasnt really discussed anywhere publicly until somebody went, "wait, wtf just happened?!"

The current policy was created because of the handful of people on that list. Before then, it there wasn't a real list of "Ban on sight" persons, because this group of fuckups raised the bar so damn high we had to start doing that.

The handful of people that are on that list know what they did to earn it. Not one of them could possibly claim they didn't know the trouble they were causing. Like others before them, the accounts were banned permanently, so the claims by kokomo to get an old account back is just pointless bitching about something he already knows he earned. To answer in his words:

i see no reason to go on discussin this, theres no point, they aint gonna reactivate our accounts. i wonder tho if id donate 5000 usd (its small money for me heh) would they unban my account? can i buy u guys? wuts ur price? every whore has a price so wuts urs?

Any donations are more than welcome, as they help keep the place alive and online for everyone. That said, we're not entertaining the chance to 'buy' back an old account. It's not on the table for discussion. You're right, "theres no point, they aint gonna reactivate our accounts"

i dont care bout join date and shit all i wanted was my posts, my 8 years. this aint fair.

"my 8 yrs" = join date, "my posts" = postcount. You care. They aren't coming back. "Fair"? Try being on the receiving end of the shit pulled by those listed on the first post and consider what is "fair". Several of the staff would never have those people back at all, ever, but that wasn't the majority decision. We're trying to be "fair" by letting you guys on the site at all. Hoping you have any sense of what it is "fair" and won't pull the same shit again.

You each have a shot at being a member again. That's more than you had before. How's that for fair?

Me? That's all I have to say about that, because "i see no reason to go on discussin this, theres no point,"
 
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There is the potential for a moderator to misuse the system by quickly inflicting a prolonged ban without getting support from the rest of staff that it is warranted, hence the recent change to points and days. A single mod could fairly easily issue an infraction for a point, but the member isn't suspended until at least 2 points are earned. IF a mod is issuing these without his peer forum mods being aware and in support of the action, it'll be visible to all of staff and we can look into it. This was a step to prevent mods abusing their position and banning members without proper agreement it was earned.

Now, there are instances where a mod may really need to have a member banned - for that we have a staff thread for raising such discussion points, and we have our REPORTED POSTS in which we can see where a problem member is out of line and needs immediate attention. This step is here so that the peer forum mods are enlisted to assess proper direction, and ANY sr. staff member can manually issue a longer temp ban, or additional point (more than one) if warranted. But all of this requires more than one person's input - this way we again avoid the opportunity for a member to cry about unfair treatment.

Also, this helps us with the site overall - as newer mods might use the tool to ban a SPAMMER, but it may only be temporary and not flag sr. staff's attention to the account as is really needed for proper clean it up. :\



The accounts were banned - after several temp-bans, they were fully banned. When would you have ever thought you'd get those back?



The current policy was created because of the handful of people on that list. Before then, it there wasn't a real list of "Ban on sight" persons, because this group of fuckups raised the bar so damn high we had to start doing that.

The handful of people that are on that list know what they did to earn it. Not one of them could possibly claim they didn't know the trouble they were causing. Like others before them, the accounts were banned permanently, so the claims by kokomo to get an old account back is just pointless bitching about something he already knows he earned. To answer in his words:



Any donations are more than welcome, as they help keep the place alive and online for everyone. That said, we're not entertaining the chance to 'buy' back an old account. It's not on the table for discussion. You're right, "theres no point, they aint gonna reactivate our accounts"



"my 8 yrs" = join date, "my posts" = postcount. You care. They aren't coming back. "Fair"? Try being on the receiving end of the shit pulled by those listed on the first post and consider what is "fair". Several of the staff would never have those people back at all, ever, but that wasn't the majority decision. We're trying to be "fair" by letting you guys on the site at all. Hoping you have any sense of what it is "fair" and won't pull the same shit again.

You each have a shot at being a member again. That's more than you had before. How's that for fair?

Me? That's all I have to say about that, because "i see no reason to go on discussin this, theres no point,"

tldr

"i see no reason to go on discussin this, theres no point"

dont worry tlb u aint gonna see me again on this board (ok u may worry i changed my mind meh)
thanks for everything u did for me cheers<3
 
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Just letting you guys know we've tweaked things a bit. All infractions are now just 1 pt. We've reduced the 'Repeat Offense' from 2 pts, and eliminated the 3 pt 'Major Infraction' since it was never clearly defined.

Before you ask, no we aren't going back to change previous infractions given. Just know that if you do it again, you may only get one point, but you'll still be moved that much closer to a more permanent ban. Thank you, carry on.

wow, i feel my CE&P infractions were unwarranted, and given because staff didn't like what I said, instead of actually breaking guidelines.

good to know nothing's going to change, and noone will look into it :|
 
^If you feel you have been treated unfairly or arbitrarily I'll tell you how I'd go about making an appeal.

I'd read the forum guidelines to make sure I really had a grievance. I'd link to posts or threads involved.I'd quote the infraction and any previous relevant PMs. I'd be polite and concise but have some substantive points. Everyone is entitled to fair treatment but that doesn't mean that every moderator action needs to have been perfect in every particular. I'd avoid nitpicks and stick with substantive issues. At this point I'd PM the infracting mod with my case.

If I got no satisfaction at the mod level & I still cared, I'd next take it to the sr mod level w/ a smod assigned to that forum. Would be easy if I had already put everything together for the moderator. Next level admins.
 
How do you know if you have been given an infraction? some m od said they did but I never got a pm or notice or anything like that.
 
^ you have no warnings or infractions. when you receive one, you will receive a pm.

you can check your infractions in your profile.

alasdair
 
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