Bluelight

Thread: 2-methyl-2-butanol (2M2B) "Vodka"

Page 1 of 10 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 246
  1. Collapse Details
    2-methyl-2-butanol (2M2B) "Vodka" 
    #1
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    Been thinking about something. 2-methyl-2-butanol (herein, 2M2B) is more potent than ethanol, has a longer duration, less negative side effects, etc. So, creating a 2M2B solution equipotent to a typical 40% ABV vodka could be very beneficial.

    So, here's what I'm thinking calculations-wise:
    1 L 40% ABV Vodka => 400 mL EtOH, which should be about 315.6 g EtOH.

    Seeing how 2M2B is about 20x more potent by weight (wiki), this would take 15.78 g of 2M2B or 19.36 mL of the stuff. So, with 19.36 mL 2M2B, you have enough stock material to make about a liter of decent and longer-lasting vodka.

    Ideas? Criticisms?
    Reply With Quote
     

  2. Collapse Details
     
    #2
    Bluelighter N0 W4RN1NG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Long Island, NY
    Posts
    439
    Quote Originally Posted by flacky View Post
    Been thinking about something. 2-methyl-2-butanol (herein, 2M2B) is more potent than ethanol, has a longer duration, less negative side effects, etc. So, creating a 2M2B solution equipotent to a typical 40% ABV vodka could be very beneficial.

    So, here's what I'm thinking calculations-wise:
    1 L 40% ABV Vodka => 400 mL EtOH, which should be about 315.6 g EtOH.

    Seeing how 2M2B is about 20x more potent by weight (wiki), this would take 15.78 g of 2M2B or 19.36 mL of the stuff. So, with 19.36 mL 2M2B, you have enough stock material to make about a liter of decent and longer-lasting vodka.

    Ideas? Criticisms?
    I have been extremely interested in 2M2B since the tryptamine dreamer threads, and I have found a few sources, some of which are incredibly cheap...I'm probably going to try this in the near future.

    Has anyone else given this a shot?

    EDIT: Given 2M2B is reported to have a not-so-unpleasant minty flavor, making a solution equipotent to 40% ethanol (2% 2M2B?) would probably allow for some dramatic flavor improvement over current mixed drinks...you could make some incredible mint-iced tea type stuff with this I'm sure...
    Reply With Quote
     

  3. Collapse Details
     
    #3
    I had a spit of reagent-grade 2M2B yesterday and it burned the hell out of my esophagous (I had to swig it quick). I recommend cocktailing it with something to neutralize the irritant property.

    I have been extremely interested in 2M2B since the tryptamine dreamer threads, and I have found a few sources, some of which are incredibly cheap...I'm probably going to try this in the near future.
    The idea of making your own was brought up and I think it's a good one if you have the gear. Even better, concoct some 1-ethynylcyclohexanol.
    Last edited by seep; 24-02-2010 at 01:23.
    Reply With Quote
     

  4. Collapse Details
     
    #4
    this sounds like a great idea,
    a flask could hold enough to get a small crowd wasted!


    any links to the metabolites?
    Last edited by stormyweathers; 24-02-2010 at 01:57.
    Reply With Quote
     

  5. Collapse Details
     
    #5
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    Quote Originally Posted by N0 W4RN1NG View Post
    you could make some incredible mint-iced tea type stuff with this I'm sure...
    Exactly what I was thinking down to the last little detail of it being a mint iced tea. Great minds think alike.
    Reply With Quote
     

  6. Collapse Details
     
    #6
    Bluelighter N0 W4RN1NG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Long Island, NY
    Posts
    439
    Quote Originally Posted by seep View Post
    I had a spit of reagent-grade 2M2B yesterday and it burned the hell out of my esophagous (I had to swig it quick). I recommend cocktailing it with something to neutralize the irritant property.



    The idea of making your own was brought up and I think it's a good one if you have the gear. Even better, concoct some 1-ethynylcyclohexanol.
    Ya know, I recently botched a sandmeyer rxn, I think I'm a little less experienced than I should be to pull something like this off...>_<

    But can you give us a 2M2B exp. report? How was it? Was the irritation so bad because you had it straight, or was it bad even after being diluted?


    Quote Originally Posted by stormyweathers View Post
    this sounds like a great idea,
    a flask could hold enough to get a small crowd wasted!


    any links to the metabolites?
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by flacky View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking down to the last little detail of it being a mint iced tea. Great minds think alike.
    Reply With Quote
     

  7. Collapse Details
     
    #7
    Bluelight Crew fastandbulbous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    that rainy little island off europe
    Posts
    20,524
    It used to be the active ingedient of OTC travel sickness tablets for dogs (actually they were liquid filled capsules). It was very nice, but as expected, the pet shops caught on to this mini craze and the company removed all the 2-methyl-2-butanol (I believe it was also called amylene hydrate)
    Reply With Quote
     

  8. Collapse Details
     
    #8
    Bluelighter lolwhatzdrugs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Always got it blown like Al Capone
    Posts
    1,980
    As an isomer of a legal drug, is synthesis discussion of this allowed?

    Wouldn't it be possible to make fat liquid caps of this substance? 2 shots of ever-clear should be equal to 1/10th of a shot of this, it could fit in a fat liquid cap, and two would get you (me at least) plastered.
    Reply With Quote
     

  9. Collapse Details
     
    #9
    Quote Originally Posted by lolwhatzdrugs View Post
    As an isomer of a legal drug, is synthesis discussion of this allowed?
    no...
    Reply With Quote
     

  10. Collapse Details
     
    #10
    Quote Originally Posted by N0 W4RN1NG View Post
    But can you give us a 2M2B exp. report? How was it? Was the irritation so bad because you had it straight, or was it bad even after being diluted?
    In hindsight I really can't tell. We were using it as a substrate in a multistep thingy and I downed less than mL, very quickly, on a dare. As for the effects: the substance merits further investigation.

    Seeing how 2M2B is about 20x more potent by weight (wiki), this would take 15.78 g of 2M2B or 19.36 mL of the stuff. So, with 19.36 mL 2M2B, you have enough stock material to make about a liter of decent and longer-lasting vodka.
    Remember for your calculations that t-amyl alcohol has roughly twice the molar mass of ethanol. I don't know if this was taken into account by whomever posted that 20 multiplier to the wiki.
    Reply With Quote
     

  11. Collapse Details
     
    #11
    Bluelighter dread's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    ketheres elyion
    Posts
    3,310
    Remember for your calculations that t-amyl alcohol has roughly twice the molar mass of ethanol. I don't know if this was taken into account by whomever posted that 20 multiplier to the wiki.
    Should be. Potency is usually measured by weight, not by mole...
    Reply With Quote
     

  12. Collapse Details
     
    #12
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    I took a look at the primary source that they cite for that figure, though, and the 20x figure might be a bit shaky. The article says that it can take around 100 g of EtOH to put someone to sleep, with an equipotent amount of 2M2B falling between 2 g and 4 g. This would actually put the figure between 25x and 50x.

    The source says that the increase in potency is due to the hypnotic effect of the alcohol being more pronounced among the family of tertiary alcohols.......

    I'm starting to wonder where the original poster on wikipedia got that 20x figure, then.
    Reply With Quote
     

  13. Collapse Details
     
    #13
    I'm starting to wonder where the original poster on wikipedia got that 20x figure, then.
    The book the endnote links to gives 2-4 grams as the standard hypnotic dose for tert-amyl. Assume a tolerant person's dose is 5 grams tert-amyl at bedtime. I assume the author divided the 100 grams ethanol the book mentioned by that.

    Molecule for molecule, that same ratio is roughly 38 to 1.
    Reply With Quote
     

  14. Collapse Details
     
    #14
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    Well, I'm obviously not a tolerant user, so it sounds like the 37.5x is more accurate.
    Reply With Quote
     

  15. Collapse Details
     
    #15
    Bluelighter lolwhatzdrugs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Always got it blown like Al Capone
    Posts
    1,980
    Quote Originally Posted by vecktor View Post
    no...
    Well then, would synthesis be hard?

    Please, no specifics on any synthesis instructions but; is it chloral hydrate synthesis easy, or would it require some more advanced equipment and knowledge?
    Reply With Quote
     

  16. Collapse Details
     
    #16
    Quote Originally Posted by lolwhatzdrugs View Post
    Well then, would synthesis be hard?

    Please, no specifics on any synthesis instructions but; is it chloral hydrate synthesis easy, or would it require some more advanced equipment and knowledge?
    it is commercially available and pretty cheap like most of the similar fusel oils, (13 usd per litre)
    why would anybody bothering synthesizing it???
    Reply With Quote
     

  17. Collapse Details
     
    #17
    What are the likely and potential health risks compared to Ethanol? In general, better or worse?
    Reply With Quote
     

  18. Collapse Details
     
    #18
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    The tertiary alcohol can't be metabolized into a toxic aledhyde. That's a plus. Also, I remember a study being linked to saying that 2M2B is excreted as the gluconidrate. Liver damage is still possible, tho.
    Reply With Quote
     

  19. Collapse Details
     
    #19
    Synthesis is easy anyway, industrially. But I'm not going to elaborate. The big problem will be if the governments of the world start controlling it like GHB and friends.

    You know, with these drugs, there's a really easy way to stop people from overdosing on them: simply dilute the chemical with water until you're roughly where a 5%-10% alcoholic beverage is and no more. Try to make it palatable and just sip. This will help stop you from consuming insane amounts in one sitting. If you're not an idiot about things, there's no reason to overdose. GHB was simply too potent to be safely used, and the deaths were what led to the scheduling.

    And hey, it's all fun and games until someone dies, right?
    Reply With Quote
     

  20. Collapse Details
     
    #20
    Bluelighter lolwhatzdrugs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Always got it blown like Al Capone
    Posts
    1,980
    Quote Originally Posted by vecktor View Post
    it is commercially available and pretty cheap like most of the similar fusel oils, (13 usd per litre)
    why would anybody bothering synthesizing it???
    Didn't realize this :-)
    Reply With Quote
     

  21. Collapse Details
     
    #21
    the thing about ghb too though is that the dose response curve is very different from ethanol and alot of other downers. So even diluting it may not make much of a difference.
    Reply With Quote
     

  22. Collapse Details
     
    #22
    It's almost the same as with alcohol, I have no data but erowid states this as well. Pure alcohol is fairly dangerous stuff.
    Reply With Quote
     

  23. Collapse Details
     
    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by flacky View Post
    The tertiary alcohol can't be metabolized into a toxic aledhyde. That's a plus. Also, I remember a study being linked to saying that 2M2B is excreted as the gluconidrate. Liver damage is still possible, tho.
    id say thats a major improvement over ethanol!
    il tell my labrats to take a sip and get some feeling of the substane
    Reply With Quote
     

  24. Collapse Details
     
    #24
    any experience reports on this yet? am very curious... would this compound be as much of a depressant as alcohol or possibly more euphoric, like GHB?
    Reply With Quote
     

  25. Collapse Details
     
    #25
    Bluelighter flacky's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    946
    Yeah, there's one floating around the forum. You can find it really quickly with a search.
    Reply With Quote
     

Page 1 of 10 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •