PinkPanther2
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mushrooms came to mind first.
That seems to work more with the definition of out of body experience. For salvia that doesn't seem to uncommon. A lot of people include it under the dissociative class, which is very known for inducing OBE.
I'd say for it to be ego death you must not be aware of yourself at all, in or out of your body. Just my belief though.
Everyone mentioning Salvia seem to have been scared by it compared to other substances. Is it the complete takeover and loss of your own control?
Salvia was the closest I have ever come to this and as soon as I had a slight realisation of me again I came running back as fast as I could. When I think back to past experiences, for someone who's so unfond of the real world I seem to have clung onto it pretty hard and "wasted" a large percentage of trips.
1/8 of psilocybin mushrooms. wasn't expecting it, wasn't ready for it. horrible set and setting. i was sitting in an apartment i'd lived in for two years with a friend i'd known for ages and had no idea where i was, who the person was that i was with, didn't know who i was, language made almost no sense. it was incredibly confusing and terrifying, but i felt like a million bucks when i came down.
If you're able to recognize it as ego death while it's happening then it's not really ego death I think.
Yeah, not being aware of the ego at all is more like delirium. The term "ego death" is problematic because the two words that comprise it are so loaded with differing interpretations. My experience of ego death has always been the same despite what drug I use to experience it. It is a sense of disengagement with the self-structure as the source and locus of control of experience, and it's marked by a shocking lucidity, rather than senselessness (even though "senselessness" could conceivably fit the terms as well). The first time it happened I heard myself saying "This is it!" "That was it!" but my internal monologue seemed broadcast from an external source, a mere pattern inseparable from the rest of my perceptions. "I" was intact and operational, but not engaged in awareness. There are other states that can easily be construed as ego death because of the broad meanings of the terms, but the experience called "ego death" that is the most consistent between trips and between users is the one described below.CaptainHeroin said:No, you can identify it as ego death while you're experiencing it. I just think you'd have to identify with a previous ego death experience. The first time you experience ego death, you are right, you have no idea what it is/what it's all about. You're just trying to hold onto your mind as hard as you can.
Ego is not entirely false. To say that "ego dies" really means, more precisely, that the cognitive structure labelled 'ego', and the egoic mental model of the world, are systematically re-conceived, just like the components of Newtonian physics were systematically re-conceived to form the new system of Einsteinian physics. Ego death means that the mind no longer centrally identifies with the ego. The locus of control or origin of control is no longer seriously taken to be the ego.