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IMO, the cause is likely related to GABA receptors. This is probably the reason that alcohol helped. Long term abuse of marijuana can effect these receptors somewhere downstream. There was discussion of this in the advance drug discussion. The psychopharmacology is probably complicated, but it could be that you messed up your system and that is the reason weed and therefore THC is no longer tolerable. The only thing I can suggest is to use hashish instead of weed. It is higher in CBD and could give you more pleasant effects. You may also try GABA agonists such as alcohol or kava when you smoke. It is worth a try.
 
have you made any changes in your diet? since your symptoms are so persistent, it sounds like your body is out of whack. eat more whole foods, get more sleep and exercise, drink more water than you have in your whole life :)
 
newbie007 said:
IMO, the cause is likely related to GABA receptors. This is probably the reason that alcohol helped. Long term abuse of marijuana can effect these receptors somewhere downstream. There was discussion of this in the advance drug discussion. The psychopharmacology is probably complicated, but it could be that you messed up your system and that is the reason weed and therefore THC is no longer tolerable. The only thing I can suggest is to use hashish instead of weed. It is higher in CBD and could give you more pleasant effects. You may also try GABA agonists such as alcohol or kava when you smoke. It is worth a try.
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Do you have a link to the discussion in Advanced? I'm really intrigued by this...

Also, I agree with the post above me... tons of exercise, eat EXTREMELY healthily, drink a lot of pure, filtered water... definitely lay off of weed, as it'll only exacerbate it.

I'd definitely try the sub-threshold LSD/Psilocybin doses, though... fuck it, what do you have to lose? Plus, they have been proven to be fairly effective.
 
I've heard of JWH compounds ruining ganja for people, but damn. I wish the long-term effects of JWH use were known, as then you could've gotten better answers. I might be leaning on the GABA suggestion. Could try gabapentin/pregabalin or benzodiazepines if that's the case.
The first headache sounds reminiscent of a cluster headache (I've had a few before), though you were high at the time. Not sure about the others, what are the worst ones like? Minute doses of LSD/psilocybin/related substances have been shown to eliminate clusters.
 
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The Gaba receptor idea sounds promising.In the months ahead once reasearchers begin to understand the pharmacological intricacies of the drug we'll all be in a better place to start to suggest remedies, for now though the GABA agonist sounds good - although I'd avoid the benzos. Kava may well be a great solution used moderately.
Its also possible that the problem may right itself - but probably not. They sound a little bit like migraines, if so it's worth seeing multiple specialists and trying some of the emerging treatments that are on offer - more are appearing every day. Living and hoping!
 
To clarify to everyone, I was talking about all drugs. Pharmaceuticals are bullshit for the most part as well, IMO. As someone who has used assorted ADHD, anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, and anti-psychotic medication for years, on top of extreme psychedelic abuse at points in my life, I think my viewpoint is legitimate. I've had numerous mental and physical problems from taking all classes of drugs, and the only thing that has consistently made me better is completely abstaining from everything and dieting/exercising correctly. I'm not saying taking a bunch of drugs doesn't work for some people, but certainly not for me.

Also, I'm well aware of the studies regarding cluster headaches and psilocybin, but I think it's a bad idea to experiment with such a new-fangled techniques especially when both drugs in question are affecting neurotransmitters similarly. As liquid sunshine said, cluster headaches are pretty damn uncommon (wiki says less than 0.1% of the population) and I don't think that a couple of uses of a drug could be a catalyst for them. I feel like it's more likely that there is something else insidious about the hardly researched JWH class of drugs and we just don't know about it yet.

Also, mushroom potency is highly, HIGHLY variable. I don't think the OP wants to take .5 and trip his nuts off while he's having an episode, sounds like a recipie for disaster. Also, OP mentioned not smoking weed (a much more mild and less axiogenic psychedelic) anymore ever since because of the pain; I don't see how taking a stronger psychedelic with variable potency is a great idea.

Am I really alone here?
 
Man I hate this jwh thing .

It's soo gay .
Like there's weed guys !!
You don't have to smoke a synthetic version of it !

Ok yes . There are people who get good effects from it but alot don't .

Why don't people just stick to weed !?!?

- it's safer
- more reliable nicer high .


*Also if your doing jwh because you have a drug test coming up or something I guess using jwh is cool . But are you really that addicted that you cannot stop smoking it so you have to resort to jwh ?

That's just my view .



But to OP , I guess you could try using LSD or shrooms , like others said. It may help
 
jamesmartin, have you no idea what it's like to be forced to take regular drug tests by authorities?
 
Km013 said:
Also, OP mentioned not smoking weed (a much more mild and less axiogenic psychedelic) anymore ever since because of the pain; I don't see how taking a stronger psychedelic with variable potency is a great idea.

Am I really alone here?
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Weed is NOT milder than psilocybin OR LSD for anxiety in my experiences. Weed is notoriously known for exacerbating panic/anxiety. Furthermore, I SINCERELY doubt that 0.5g of cubensis is going to make anyone trip balls.
 
jamesmartin said:
Man I hate this jwh thing .

It's soo gay .
Like there's weed guys !!
You don't have to smoke a synthetic version of it !

Ok yes . There are people who get good effects from it but alot don't .

Why don't people just stick to weed !?!?
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That's like saying all research chemicals are "gay" or something. It isn't good or bad, it's just another substance. What IS bad is dosing said chemicals when there is little to no information about the long-term effects / dangers. That is true disrespect to your mind and body.

OP, I hope you feel better, but beyond that don't know what to say...
 
Coolio said:
jamesmartin, have you no idea what it's like to be forced to take regular drug tests by authorities?
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ThAts why I included in my comment about people taking jwh so they don't fail drug tests is cool .


Coolio i'm starting not to like you .... As you have bitched about previous posts of mine. Which would be fair Andi wouldn't mind.
But you never read them properley
 
Hmm, perhaps JWH can damage the activity of MAOs... which may or may not explain the intense interactions with certain things. I really don't think this explanation fits well at all, though, but I thought I might as well throw the idea out there.

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But are you really that addicted that you cannot stop smoking it so you have to resort to jwh ?
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Maybe you haven't been forced to submit to regular drug testing. I can take breaks on my own accord and be perfectly fine with it. The reality of being forced into a break, the reality of being barred and limited, makes it very shitty. Especially if it's because of a ridiculously petty offense and the DA/judge was an ass.
I was put on probation for what was supposed to be a year over a very tiny offense (the DA was the biggest douchebag of all of the ones in this county) and was about to start smoking this JWH shit until I found a way to get off. After hearing horror stories of varying degrees from friends who have tried it (it permanently ruined weed for someone I know, they feel schizophrenic while high now) and online, and due to the high likeliness of JWH's metabolites being carcinogenic, I'm glad I didn't do it.
 
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cerealbowl said:
Weed is NOT milder than psilocybin OR LSD for anxiety in my experiences. Weed is notoriously known for exacerbating panic/anxiety. Furthermore, I SINCERELY doubt that 0.5g of cubensis is going to make anyone trip balls.
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Why would I say something like that unless it I've actually experienced it? I've experienced panic attacks on weed and mushrooms, but mushrooms much more frequently. With weed you can take a hit and see how it goes then decide to smoke more if necessary, with mushrooms you just kind of dose and go and hope they are the potency you desire. I have had moderate ++ experiences on half a gram of mushrooms several times, not all of them easy. Just goes to show how variable experiences from person to person can be. I guess I'm just upset about the attitude of people on this board sometimes. Psychedelics are what they are, but they aren't the answer to everything. This is a harm reduction board, right? I don't think the answer to drug-induced problems should be "take more drugs" as much as it seems to be; that's all.

OP: Any luck finding info or help yet?
 
^ I Just wanna throw it out there, if someone suffers from anxiety, any psychadelic will bring those problems to the surface if they'e bad enough. mushrooms weed or lucy.
 
Newbierock said:
^ I Just wanna throw it out there, if someone suffers from anxiety, any psychadelic will bring those problems to the surface if they'e bad enough. mushrooms weed or lucy.
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Hence my original post stating QUIT ALL DRUGS. Hence my statement drug experiences vary from person to person. :|
 
I get OTJ drug tested weekly, so needless to say jwh compounds are great; its not a matter of being hoplessly addicted to a substance, if I want to occasionly get high I don't have to worry or time it to my drug testing. OP I am sorry about your problems, I made the mistake ONCE of taking too much jwh and it was a nightmare I threw up everything in my stomach, tripped balls, it was almost enuff to turn me off the stuff forever. My symptoms (of the OD) were gone in a few hours tho. And I have no lingering effects. I go weeks without smoking the stuff at times so I can't speak for daily usage. I know some people who can't handle the stuff, and others who swear by it. I hope you can find an awnser to your problems.
 
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