Sentience
Bluelighter
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I guess not everyone sees visions on Salvia, but I certainly do. I suppose the difference is that with Salvia you get blasted into another world, while with acid it is this world that is warping.
I think we need a better description for drugs which produce visions in the mind that are NOT manifest in the sensori of the outside world, but overwhelming and lucid in the waking state. Mescaline has some minor effects on sensory perception in the waking state, but it produces visions that are separate from your experience of your environment but can supersede those experiences. Salvia can have a similar effect in producing these visionary experiences in your mind, even if they are not superimposed on the world around us. Something like Ayuhuasca can produce visions in the mind and outside superimposed on the environment at the same time.
What you are describing is really just the flip side of what you were doing in not wanting to call these visionary plants hallucinogens. You dont like the term because of its association, so you choose not to call it what others are already calling it. I happen to be fine with the association, but think we need better categorization of these medicines in general.
No drug is going to be 100% typical, because almost every drug has chemistry which is unlikely to be only one thing and not another. Also, the effects will not be uniform from person to person.
I prefer a purely subjective criteria for terms like psychedelics. Objective criteria was never implied in the original dictionary definition of the term. While attempts to create one are admirable, you cannot unilaterally redefine words just because you think its a better definition.
I think we need a better description for drugs which produce visions in the mind that are NOT manifest in the sensori of the outside world, but overwhelming and lucid in the waking state. Mescaline has some minor effects on sensory perception in the waking state, but it produces visions that are separate from your experience of your environment but can supersede those experiences. Salvia can have a similar effect in producing these visionary experiences in your mind, even if they are not superimposed on the world around us. Something like Ayuhuasca can produce visions in the mind and outside superimposed on the environment at the same time.
Seriously though? It sounds to me like you think "psychedelics" is an honourary term that must be applied only for the creme de la creme of drugs. When you get into this kind of elitism (and all this stuff about plant-derived drugs superiority), I really lose interest in discussing the matter any further.
What you are describing is really just the flip side of what you were doing in not wanting to call these visionary plants hallucinogens. You dont like the term because of its association, so you choose not to call it what others are already calling it. I happen to be fine with the association, but think we need better categorization of these medicines in general.
And btw, LSD is far from being a "typical" psychedelic because it affects a wider range of transmitters than other psychedelics
No drug is going to be 100% typical, because almost every drug has chemistry which is unlikely to be only one thing and not another. Also, the effects will not be uniform from person to person.
I prefer a purely subjective criteria for terms like psychedelics. Objective criteria was never implied in the original dictionary definition of the term. While attempts to create one are admirable, you cannot unilaterally redefine words just because you think its a better definition.