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    A few months ago, i messed around with a nice amount of speed (between adderall and blowing lines of a roll i strongly suspect to be cut with a lot of caffeine and amphetamine). The pills werewhat i presume is name brand adderall, they came in capsules. Now i went back to my same connect, and the pills are "M. Amphet Salt, 20mg". I presumed it to be a generic (which is what she told me), but noticed it didnt get me as high, and the next day both times i took it i felt HORRIBLE, much worse than i usually do off of higher doses of adderall. Everything I've looked up says its just generic adderall, but i was wondering if maybe there is a different ratio of d-amp and l-amp in these pills or something of the sort that could attribute to slightly different effects? Does anyone know anything about these?
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    It has the exact same ingredients, contents, and ratio of d-amp to l-amp as brand name Adderall...
    This is FDA law that generics must contain 99.9% of the ingredients of the drugs brand name counterpart.
    Although it rare, some people have different reactions to some generic medications when switching from brand name,
    but if you take it for awhile the body usually adjusts within a week of regular dosing.

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    hm that's strange. i've noticed the generic adderall i've had was a bit shorter-acting and gave me a bad crash- migraines etc while brand name adderall has never given me a headache or bad crash

    i don't know why this is
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    M. amphet either means 'mixed amphetamine' or 'meth amphetamine'
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    mixed amphetamine salts
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    try smoking a bowl or sleeping, or drinking wine while you come down. klonopin works goood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormur View Post
    hm that's strange. i've noticed the generic adderall i've had was a bit shorter-acting and gave me a bad crash- migraines etc while brand name adderall has never given me a headache or bad crash

    i don't know why this is
    Exactly. I know when drugs aren't the same, and this is definately one of those times. The high was less euphoric, and the crash was way more intense.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheMatador View Post
    It has the exact same ingredients, contents, and ratio of d-amp to l-amp as brand name Adderall...
    This is FDA law that generics must contain 99.9% of the ingredients of the drugs brand name counterpart.
    Although it rare, some people have different reactions to some generic medications when switching from brand name,
    but if you take it for awhile the body usually adjusts within a week of regular dosing.

    -TheMatador
    Is this literally a "generic" for "adderall?", or just an off-brand mix of d- and l-amp salts? Something about these pills definately isnt the same, even the girl who sold me them was crashing horribly from the night before..
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    The name brand capsules were probably XR, extended release. The 20mg tablets were definetly IR, instant release. Even though you snorted both, the ER time release probably slowed the come down slightly. Plus, you took X when you did the brand name stuff, even if it was heavily cut with stimulants I have no doubt it added to your euphoria. I mean who knows hat was in that pill.

    I have years of experience with both brand name and generic addy. Snorting, eating, abusing, not abusing both forms. The ER pills last longer (obviously), and might have a smoother come down.

    You have to realize though that these drugs are not meant to be snorted. I mean you are repeatedly snorting amphetamines to get high and you woner why you crash and feel like shit the next day?? You are repeatedly abusing very potent stimulants. The "high" will never be as good as the first time (especially if that first time included X), just like with almost every other drug people abuse. You are not the first person to be chasing that high, or to experience the side effects of repeated amphetamine abuse.

    The pills have EXACTLY the same drugs in them. The different effects you are experiencing is your body's way of telling you to stop. Try simply injesting the pills, it's a very strong drug and it will last longer that way, and the come down is less harsh. Adderall isn't supposed to provide a euphoric high. Try smoking a bowl or whatever and eat a pill if you want to be speedy and euphoric. I don't know what else to tell you man. Have fun and be careful. That shit is highly regulated for a reason. It's addictive as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Patron View Post
    The name brand capsules were probably XR, extended release. The 20mg tablets were definetly IR, instant release. Even though you snorted both, the ER time release probably slowed the come down slightly. Plus, you took X when you did the brand name stuff, even if it was heavily cut with stimulants I have no doubt it added to your euphoria. I mean who knows hat was in that pill.

    I have years of experience with both brand name and generic addy. Snorting, eating, abusing, not abusing both forms. The ER pills last longer (obviously), and might have a smoother come down.

    You have to realize though that these drugs are not meant to be snorted. I mean you are repeatedly snorting amphetamines to get high and you woner why you crash and feel like shit the next day?? You are repeatedly abusing very potent stimulants. The "high" will never be as good as the first time (especially if that first time included X), just like with almost every other drug people abuse. You are not the first person to be chasing that high, or to experience the side effects of repeated amphetamine abuse.

    The pills have EXACTLY the same drugs in them. The different effects you are experiencing is your body's way of telling you to stop. Try simply injesting the pills, it's a very strong drug and it will last longer that way, and the come down is less harsh. Adderall isn't supposed to provide a euphoric high. Try smoking a bowl or whatever and eat a pill if you want to be speedy and euphoric. I don't know what else to tell you man. Have fun and be careful. That shit is highly regulated for a reason. It's addictive as hell.

    Peace
    But the thing is, I was using a few times a week for a few weeks with the name brands, but have abstained from using any in months. That's why I was so surprised how bad I came down from doing a lower dose than normal with the generic.. And I ate all of the adderalls, would sniff lines of the amp'ed x, sorry for the confusion on that. The pills were tan dolphins, smelled like adderall, and im pretty sure had caffeine too, negligible amount of mdma.
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    But the thing is, I was using a few times a week for a few weeks with the name brands, but have abstained from using any in months. That's why I was so surprised how bad I came down from doing a lower dose than normal with the generic.. And I ate all of the adderalls, would sniff lines of the amp'ed x, sorry for the confusion on that. The pills were tan dolphins, smelled like adderall, and im pretty sure had caffeine too, negligible amount of mdma.
    The first high(s) you experience for a drug (or class of drug) are always the best. I still remember when I was started on dexedrine for ADD in 1996 and 2x 5mg would blow me away ... everything in life was easier, was eating less, grades improved, more social etc etc
    It doesn't stay that way though. There is no generic brand for d-amphetamine here in Australia, so I know there is no difference...
    But I have never been able to achieve the same effects from the meds ever again (and have stopped trying a long time ago).

    Also, no one ever said generic meds aren't exactly the same in every way. Dose is the same but speed of absorption can (and does) differ. It sounds like these generics release the amphetamine up to 20% faster than brandnames (which is pretty clear cos you talk of a bad crash).
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    Oh. Well if you ate the adderall ER, of course it will have a longer duration and the come down will be less harsh than snorting IR pills. Even if you ate IR brand name pills vs snorted genetics. Of course snorting makes you come down harder. Your experiences have more to do withe ROA than with some strange reaction to generic ingredients.
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    I am the mother of an adorable ten year old who has been having to take Adderall since he was 6 years old. I have been searching the internet looking for prescription assistance with his medications since we apparently no longer qualify for FAMIS or Medicaid because now that I am working we are $10 over the income restriction cutoff.

    I have to admit I was appalled to come across this site and this information while doing my research to see that people are snorting this medication just to get high? What on earth do you get out of it? It has a very calming effect on my son (who has Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). I must admit, just out of curiosity, I took one myself but it did absolutely nothing for me. Maybe that was just me though, or perhaps you need to take more than one if there is nothing *wrong* with you in the first place. I don't know.

    I just wanted to post a comment to find out what exactly it does for those who are taking it just to get high, and to state that I hope you are not taking this medication from your children or your *supplier's* children. They are EXTREMELY strict with refills here in Virginia...you have to wait EXACTLY 30 days to get your next Rx filled, so I hope there are not children or other individuals going without their medications just so their friends can catch a buzz from their medication.

    Off my soapbox now, and thanks for allowing me to join this little group. I would appreciate any information anyone may have about Prescription assistance programs that help with this medication. I cannot afford the $200 per month that it costs us, but I won't allow my son to go without it either.
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    Amphetamines affect children differently. When prescribed for ADHD, they can allow the child to focus and concentrate, but can still cause unwanted stimulating effects (loss of appetite, insomnia, etc.). Those who abuse the medications seek effects that they view as positive (euphoria, increased energy, decreased appetite, etc). It is quite common for non-users to understand why a given medication is abused. The very effects that one group might seek to minimize could be exactly what someone else is seeking. Another factor is that drug- abusers often are affected differently than "normal" folks. An example might be opiates that tend to make many people groggy and nauseous (they would never think of abusing them) can produce pleasurable effects of euphoria for an addict. Each group can be unable to understand what the other experiences.
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    I admit I have never taken any sort of amphetamine at all as I had an uncle who ruined his life on them. I've stuck to friendlier things like marijuana, opiates and benzos.

    At any rate, to answer your question about what my friends did with adderal in high school/college.

    - My drug using friends would use it before semester tests to study extra hard
    - My women friends would use it to lose weight and regulate appetite
    - My male friends would use it for it's rush/high

    Like I said, I never understood the attraction as I was able to pass high school without issue and I graduated college likewise. I used to smoke copious amounts of marijuana while studying for college exams and blow them off with the heaviest ease.
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    i love stealing adderal from children.....stupid kids dont even know what hit them.....

    FEED THE ADDICTION, KILL THE CHILDREN
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    COULD THESE BE 50% D 50% L AMPHETAMINE????

    WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THESE EVEN ARE GENERIC ADDERALL?
    Other than people online who don't know what they're talking about(who think "hey, that's similar to adderall so it must be generic adderall!" and post that up) I'm not seeing any claims from people who would know that for sure.

    If they are just the basic salt, wouldn't that be half and half ( AND ISN'T THE SALT WEAKER THAN THE NON-SALT or is that way off?)? Also, that would lead to feeling like you took less(because l is was less active) and having a worse crash. Looking through non-abusers reports many have said that they feel it is weaker and some have said that they feel it has a worse crash. Trying to figure this out.

    I just got these as "adderall XR" according to the person I got them from (who said crush and snort the little balls if I want..), and I didn't pay attention to them at all till now when I realized they were different. The balls crush very easily, and there possibly two kinds(or maby some are just a darker dirty off white than others), one of which MAY break a little easier than the other. I guess crushing and snorting doesn't sound like too bad of an idea but orally is fine by me.


    GRRRRRR I'm not trying to take any more L amphetamine than adderall has(which is 87.5% D 12.5% L, if I remember right) and wish addy didn't have any. Trying to save my brain the pain of L amphetamine and myself the crash. Damnit, hoping this thread bump tells me something!!!
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    Just to be clear, the exact pills I'm talking about have written on them:

    M. Amphet Salts
    20 mg


    And are tan. It seems like there are a lot of different generic addys based on my google searching, this annoys me because I don't know why the fuck anything is prescribed other than pure d-amphetamine (and desoxyn (d-meth) for the worse cases), L-amphetamine just adds to the damage and makes the d work less well.
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    Generic XRs suck ass

    Generic IRs are bomby tho

    Then again i just think XRs suck ass all together
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    Quote Originally Posted by sir_thizzalot View Post
    COULD THESE BE 50% D 50% L AMPHETAMINE????

    WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THESE EVEN ARE GENERIC ADDERALL?
    Other than people online who don't know what they're talking about(who think "hey, that's similar to adderall so it must be generic adderall!" and post that up) I'm not seeing any claims from people who would know that for sure.

    If they are just the basic salt, wouldn't that be half and half ( AND ISN'T THE SALT WEAKER THAN THE NON-SALT or is that way off?)? Also, that would lead to feeling like you took less(because l is was less active) and having a worse crash. Looking through non-abusers reports many have said that they feel it is weaker and some have said that they feel it has a worse crash. Trying to figure this out.

    I just got these as "adderall XR" according to the person I got them from (who said crush and snort the little balls if I want..), and I didn't pay attention to them at all till now when I realized they were different. The balls crush very easily, and there possibly two kinds(or maby some are just a darker dirty off white than others), one of which MAY break a little easier than the other. I guess crushing and snorting doesn't sound like too bad of an idea but orally is fine by me.


    GRRRRRR I'm not trying to take any more L amphetamine than adderall has(which is 87.5% D 12.5% L, if I remember right) and wish addy didn't have any. Trying to save my brain the pain of L amphetamine and myself the crash. Damnit, hoping this thread bump tells me something!!!
    I was on those exact generics and YES they are generic adderalls XRs

    You can crush them to shit but it doesnt completely remove the extended release, and honestly doesnt do much better than just taking them regularly. Ive messsed with them PLENTY of times.

    Only time I felt a rush on XRs was blowing them, though I dont recommend this as the crash is like 3 times worse.

    IRs are so much better.
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    yea it means mixed not meth.....i got exited once too
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    Sounds like a genric of Bi-Phetamine which was mixed resins of amphetamine salts..aka dl amphetamine,and the brand name Bi'Phetamine came in 12.5 mg capsules and 20 mg black capsules..so it may be genric bi-phetamine which is the same as adderal except for the resins part i duuno what that is for ,maybe a time release thing,,the bi-phetamine caps hav ebeen around sinc ethe 50's or 60's so it's an old school time release i suppose ....
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    Oddly enough generic adderall is made by the parent company of Shire (who is the inventor of Adderall). There is only one company that makes generic adderall because Teva bought every company.

    M. Amphet Salts is the generic name for adderall. They aren't allowed to create a significant variation in the active ingredient however Teva has been known to use the shittiest inactive ingredients (aka fillers). Teva's medications usually have a strange release compared to brand and aren't nearly as smooth.

    I have only used IR meds which even with the worst fillers can't really be effected that much since they are just tabs....however I would NEVER get Teva/Barr XR meds because XR meds are all about the fillers and are a lot more complex.

    BTW Teva now owns Barr and continues to use the Barr brand name for most generics.

    If you are looking for ADD meds on the cheap because you don't have insurance you should try Dexedrine. Its only $50 a bottle WITHOUT insurance. Not to mention Dex is better in my opinion as it has a lot less side effects. Dex is 100% D-Amp whereas Adderall is 75% D-Amp and 25% L-Amp.

    D-Amp is the simplest form of amphetamine available in a pill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adhd1921 View Post
    Oddly enough generic adderall is made by the parent company of Shire (who is the inventor of Adderall). There is only one company that makes generic adderall because Teva bought every company.

    M. Amphet Salts is the generic name for adderall. They aren't allowed to create a significant variation in the active ingredient however Teva has been known to use the shittiest inactive ingredients (aka fillers). Teva's medications usually have a strange release compared to brand and aren't nearly as smooth.

    I have only used IR meds which even with the worst fillers can't really be effected that much since they are just tabs....however I would NEVER get Teva/Barr XR meds because XR meds are all about the fillers and are a lot more complex.

    BTW Teva now owns Barr and continues to use the Barr brand name for most generics.

    If you are looking for ADD meds on the cheap because you don't have insurance you should try Dexedrine. Its only $50 a bottle WITHOUT insurance. Not to mention Dex is better in my opinion as it has a lot less side effects. Dex is 100% D-Amp whereas Adderall is 75% D-Amp and 25% L-Amp.

    D-Amp is the simplest form of amphetamine available in a pill.

    I love'd dexedrine it was my starting up amp!(not counting all the meth bomb "ecstasy" I bought intentionally for the methy fun!). I can't get it now though, I'll bug my friends to switch to it if they can, honestly it's better for adhd and for fun(and less damaging than all these adderall-like-drugs that have L-amphetamine too). Fucking too many brands.

    Probably taking 2 of these today orally just for a feel good boost. Lots of tyrosine for the crash..
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    Quote Originally Posted by adhd1921 View Post
    Dex is 100% D-Amp whereas Adderall is 75% D-Amp and 25% L-Amp.

    D-Amp is the simplest form of amphetamine available in a pill.
    Adderall is not a 75% D-Amp, 25% L-Amp mixture either by weight or molarity.

    Both XR and IR Adderall as well as their generic counterparts are racemic mixtures of amphetamine. This means that the medicine contains equal proportions of the two AMP optical enantiomers, L-amphetamine and D-amphetamine. Enantiomers are any two molecules of a given molecular formula that are nonsuperimposable, mirror images of one another. Think of your own two hands!

    The non-biological, or laboratory synthesis of amphetamine or any chemical that is optically active (i.e. D-amphet., L-amphet, S-ketamine, R-Ketamine), will generally yield the product in racemic mixture. In nature, however, only one enantiomer is produced. This explains the relative potency of Dexedrine in comparison to Adderall. The dextro-isomer of amphetamine shows a much greater affinity for receptors than does the levo-isomer.

    In other words, the Adderall mixture is 50:50 by weight, but mg by mg, the potency of ADD is 20-30% that of DEX.

    And if anyone is still wondering, M. Amphetamine is exactly the same as the non-generic. Any perceived difference in effect is totally psychosomatic.

    IN SUMMATION, the cheap cereal tastes just as good as the pricey shit too. Don't be a snob and enjoy the pills while you have them
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