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    It's largely a matter of "leanness"

    If your body fat % is in the ~10-12 range, you can usually get a few leg veins to pop by flexing.

    If you're in the 8-10 range, you can even pop ab veins.

    But there's a good reason to go for the arms. Unless you're particularly obese ( +25% ), you can usually get an arm vein to pop by repeated flexing & then tying off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieAssassin View Post
    veins that pump blood between your brain and your heart. I would highly not recommend it.
    Veins don't pump blood, arteries do.
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    ^ No they don't - hearts pump blood, Mr Sicky

    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix_risin View Post
    Another painful spot those ones right on the ball of your hand and on the back of your wrist. Yowza.
    Yowsers indeed, Phoenix. I used the veins in the ball of the hand a few times too and they hurt like a bitch. The ones slightly further down on the inside of the wrist I have also used successfully many times but the risk of shooting there must be pretty big and there are so many tendons, arteries and other delicate structures around there that you really don't want to fuck about with the inner wrist veins. I don't find the back of the wrist too sore myself and still use it sometimes as it's one I never used to use much in my time of heavy IV use so is still functioning.

    There's one that runs along the outside of the hand/wrist/arm that's easy to hit and pretty fat. Mine hurt like hell if I put a needle anywhere near them these days but they lasted for a long time before that.

    I think a lot of the damage I did to my veins is probably down to overuse of citric acid and vitamin C powder for breaking down crack and European brown heroin. That stuff plays havoc with your veins - lesson of the story is to use the absolute bare minimum amount of acid to break down your gear cos you don't feel it at first but that damage builds up over the years to the point that even if you can find a vein the pain of shooting up can be too overwhelming to make much use of it
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    If you're going to shoot a lot within a session and over, say the next few weeks, a good thing is to have a plan. Within a session, you have to shoot downstreams from previous shots. Therefore you need to start on extremities, working your way up the limb towards the trunk (fingers > hands > lower arm > upper arm).

    People say don't use hand veins but if you need a lot of sites to rotate, there's nothing for it but to exploit all possible sites. Plus in the beginning of your sessions you will be more sober, so more able to register properly in tiny veins. When shooting into the top of your hand, bend your hand down to 90 to stretch the skin: this will make the veins look smaller, which you don't want, but taunt skin will work marvels to minimize dammage and puncture hole size. Before shooting, let your hand fill with blood by letting it hang down to near-ground level in gorilla fashion. Do not tie up if your veins are visible.

    Feet are trickier than hands if you ask me. That may be because they're somewhat out of reach unless your body is very flexible. I remember shooting up into a rather chunky vein on my ankle and the shot misfired although strictly speaking I hadn't missed, it just seemed to pool there. Also, lots of blobs around the feet/ankles that feel like veins, look like veins but are something else.

    To exploit the hidden face of the upper arms it may be useful to practice shooting before a mirror.

    Shambles writes "I think a lot of the damage I did to my veins is probably down to overuse of citric acid and vitamin C powder for breaking down crack and European brown heroin." Thank you for pointing that out! The worst dammage I ever inflicted to my veins was in this way. I was naive enough to thing that since vitamin C was a natural food ingredient, it couldn't do any dammage, and I used plenty. The result was dammage all along the veins, not just at shooting spots. Dammage on an incomparable scale, whole veins feeling leathery and hard for months. I now rate this hasard as bad enough to recommend shooting C as blow rather than as acidified crack.
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    Yup. Citric/Vit C absolutely murders veins when used in excess. I really wish that information was given out with the free sachets of citric/Vit C they give you at the needle exchanges in the UK. The amount of the stuff they put in those sachets is ridiculous and most folks here just assume you should put the lot in. There's probably enough in each sachet for 20+ shots

    Vit C is far easier on the veins than citric but still bad enough. Absolute minimum needed to break down the crack/smack is all you want. With citric that's literally a couple of grains for an average 200mg bag/rock. A tiny pinch of Vit C powder does the same job but seems far less harsh. Acid and veins = not such a good combo
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeymcpot42088 View Post
    I have never seen anyone able to sustain multi shot a day habits without blowing veins rather quickly, your just not meant to have injections everyday.
    I guess I'm just talented and blessed in that way?

    What blows veins rather quickly IMO is reusing dull needles, not cycling sites, and shooting something corrosive (methadose for example).

    It's very possible to shoot 4x a day and still have totally functioning veins. You just have to be very responsible about it I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binge Artist View Post
    It's largely a matter of "leanness"

    If your body fat % is in the ~10-12 range, you can usually get a few leg veins to pop by flexing.

    If you're in the 8-10 range, you can even pop ab veins.

    But there's a good reason to go for the arms. Unless you're particularly obese ( +25% ), you can usually get an arm vein to pop by repeated flexing & then tying off.
    LOL ab veins? I even do 200 crunches pretty regularly...never seen my ab veins...maybe I'm not looking close enough & digging with a needle trying to hit them.

    I don't know my body fat percentage, but I'd assume it's < 10% - I have lost a lot of weight over the last year (I wasn't overweight at all - just toning up basically).

    I have noticed before that I have chest veins that pop through pretty easily, especially after I do some push ups or chin ups...but I don't think I'd ever want to use them.

    However, I have seen people hit leg veins really easily who had > 12% body fat (probably closer to 15-18% ) - I was always amazed at that.
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    Hehe. It's more the mega-multi-shot a day habit that you get from shooting coke or a heavy heroin habit that does it, CH. 4x a day is feasible if you use all the correct procedures and precautions. The chances of maintaining those same correct procedures and precautions if you're shooting up 10, 20, 30+ times a day (very easy if you shoot a lotta coke ) are pretty remote and nobody's veins are gonna stand for it. Not oven yours, Mr Superveinman

    Vein envy? Moi? Surely some mistake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shambles View Post
    Hehe. It's more the mega-multi-shot a day habit that you get from shooting coke or a heavy heroin habit that does it, CH. 4x a day is feasible if you use all the correct procedures and precautions. The chances of maintaining those same correct procedures and precautions if you're shooting up 10, 20, 30+ times a day (very easy if you shoot a lotta coke ) are pretty remote and nobody's veins are gonna stand for it. Not oven yours, Mr Superveinman
    That is true, even 10 shots a day is really pushing it.

    I used to shoot more than I do now. Plus, I initially was reusing needles () and not cycling sites properly. Since then I have switched to doing so - there's a major difference. I believe there's only one vein of mine I may have to lay off of more often than not now, but it's seemingly recovered and I can still hit it at least once a day or so. It doesn't bother me at all now I know how to keep everything in good working order.

    4 times a day though isn't too much of a struggle, I can still get away with 6 times some days (when a little K is in order ). What I find to be useful is to stick to 6 main sites - one I save as backup (the one I used to overuse but is now back to normal), another rolls kind of a bit and is an alternate backup, the other four I regularly use. There's a range I normally use, and then every now and then I'll work above or below it - depending on how used the normal range is. If that makes sense at all. The normal range is a good half inch, and I can still work above or below for another inch on the other 3, whereas the fourth has a split (so I can only work above it; working below would risk hitting a valve, which from what I hear, cannot repair if you F them up).

    So basically on any given day/shot, I have one or two areas recovering, one or two areas recovered for use, two back up areas, and then areas above and below the normal ones (minus below the 4th one which is a valve) for back up.

    This way, along with using only brand new 31G's and using triple antibiotic, have really gone a long way for me. There are still veins on the top of my arm and parts of the veins I do use that I haven't even begun to touch at all - merely because I haven't needed to.

    Vein envy? Moi? Surely some mistake
    No need to be envious - you can borrow mine. I have a very portable cardiovascular system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain.Heroin View Post
    LOL ab veins? I even do 200 crunches pretty regularly...never seen my ab veins...maybe I'm not looking close enough & digging with a needle trying to hit them.

    I don't know my body fat percentage, but I'd assume it's < 10% - I have lost a lot of weight over the last year (I wasn't overweight at all - just toning up basically).

    I have noticed before that I have chest veins that pop through pretty easily, especially after I do some push ups or chin ups...but I don't think I'd ever want to use them.

    However, I have seen people hit leg veins really easily who had > 12% body fat (probably closer to 15-18% ) - I was always amazed at that. [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]
    Lol, well, these are just "ball park" numbers. But generally, if your body fat is around 8%, you get vascularity around the obliques/pelvis. But, 8% is pretty fucking lean--almost unhealthy. As a general rule, the only way I could see someone @ 15% hitting leg veins easily would be if they had really thin skin (like old people), had VERY "andro" fat distribution (ie, all fat in the belly, none in arms or legs), or were just VERY adept at shooting up (as we would expect the leg veins to be well under the skin at +15% ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain.Heroin View Post
    I have noticed before that I have chest veins that pop through pretty easily, especially after I do some push ups or chin ups...but I don't think I'd ever want to use them.
    Me too, especially where the chest connects to the shoulders. Tempting, but...no. Don't got the balls to fuck with that shit.
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    captain heroin - you are talented and blessed in that way.

    your blessed with the intelligence to not resuse rigs, to cycle, to use proper technique...and blessed with good veins I would guess.

    your talented enough to not miss or blow your veins in the many many ways you can.

    Your an exception if you have been shooting a few times a day for more than a year or two. Or perhaps around here people are just horrible needle users so my experience is jaded. But for some reason I think its almost across the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeymcpot42088 View Post
    captain heroin - you are talented and blessed in that way.

    your blessed with the intelligence to not resuse rigs, to cycle, to use proper technique...and blessed with good veins I would guess.

    your talented enough to not miss or blow your veins in the many many ways you can.

    Your an exception if you have been shooting a few times a day for more than a year or two. Or perhaps around here people are just horrible needle users so my experience is jaded. But for some reason I think its almost across the board.
    Thank you, I appreciate the compliment.

    I've been IVing for around a year, but probably only around 9 months for "at least 4x a day". However, I am in the same condition I was back then, so I do think I will be OK for some time to come.

    One last piece of advice for people who shoot daily or even every now and then: when you get a box (100 ct) or just a pack (10 ct) - before you use a needle, make sure it's not already lipped. I have found 4 thus far (in the last 200 I have used) that were bent more than 15, or the tip was lipped and would be extremely painful to try to use.

    These came in sealed packs too so I know no one fucked with it (also evidenced by the cap being sealed) - so what I like to do is send them back to the manufacturer to get a free 100ct box. Even if it's just 1 messed up one, they will give you a coupon for a free 100ct box! So I set them aside, I don't even use them for anything (so that theyre still "brand new") and then send them back.

    I really like such a policy because it allows you to get the most out of your needles. Plus, avoiding using the ones which aren't "top quality" helps keep your skin looking better (some of the nastier track marks come from used needles or ones that aren't good quality) - plus you get a whole bunch of free ones for alerting the company of the manufacturing error.

    Most people wouldn't know they could do such a thing (I guess some companies may have different policies, but BD does not mind helping out a customer so they stick with their products), so I thought I'd mention this here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binge Artist View Post
    Lol, well, these are just "ball park" numbers. But generally, if your body fat is around 8%, you get vascularity around the obliques/pelvis. But, 8% is pretty fucking lean--almost unhealthy. As a general rule, the only way I could see someone @ 15% hitting leg veins easily would be if they had really thin skin (like old people), had VERY "andro" fat distribution (ie, all fat in the belly, none in arms or legs), or were just VERY adept at shooting up (as we would expect the leg veins to be well under the skin at +15% ).
    I guess it had to do w/ the "very adept at shooting up" part.

    I'm kind of amazed too to be honest, because I look at my leg veins and I'm pretty sure they'd be fairly difficult to hit. They just seem so, so, so thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shambles View Post
    The chances of maintaining those same correct procedures and precautions if you're shooting up 10, 20, 30+ times a day (very easy if you shoot a lotta coke ) are pretty remote and nobody's veins are gonna stand for it.
    Indeed. You start with a few clean shots on fresh-looking veins. The second shot is already more difficult that the first because you've got the shakes. Soon you start messing up little by little. By the 5th shot your veins have become sluggish and you end up missing one half, then two thirds of the time. Eventually you start injecting in between previous injecting sites. Accumulated dammage further obscures vein visibility. By this time all your time between shots is spent with the syringe in hand poking and pricking and trying to find "the last" spot for "the last" shot.

    At this game, even once a week is too much for vein conservation.

    Regarding needle integrity, note that needle tips can easily become blunted when they touch the bottom of the solution container/spoon.
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    femoral is a great choice to use for a month or so to give your arms time to recover, a friend of mine read the "guide to femoral injecting" on here and said it really helped him to understand how to properly use it. he tells me that he rotates between both legs, and has been using the femoral option for almost 3 months now in order to give his arms a much needed break since this kids arms were like a warzone lol....

    he started using it after not being able to hit anything in his arms and like 3 people and myself all noticed his arms at a diner. after 3 months i cant even tell this kid does drugs anymore.

    if you do decide to go the femoral route PM captin H or any mod or use the search function to find the "guide to femoral injecting" to help you do it the RIGHT way, and if using the femoral do yourself a favor and always use a clean works and never just jab around..... its a very very important vein so as long as you respect it you will be alright, but if you treat it like your arms and re-use pins or jab around if you cant find the vein you can risk loosing a limb in the longrun.
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    careful near cephalic vein..radial artery 
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    In that diagram, the cephalic vein runs dangerously close to the radial artery--where you can feel a strong pulse on the thumb side of your inner wrist. Be CAREFUL in that region b/c you could easily poke the artery which is a bad bad thing.

    Veins on the back of the hand are easily accessible. Tie the tourniquet somewhere on your forearm, as long as it is proximal to the shot location. Feet work also, like back of hands.

    Use small gauge needles and go slowly and be careful b/c these veins are small and delicate, and cannot take the abuse of larger veins.

    If you are really hardcore just place a central venous catheter in subclavian vein and leave it there with a port. That way you can just pop it open and shoot... porblem solved no more hose hunting.
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    Originally Posted by ZombieAssassin
    veins that pump blood between your brain and your heart. I would highly not recommend it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Carsick View Post
    Veins don't pump blood, arteries do.
    Yeah I don't know what I was thinking...It was late that night when I posted that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alkap555 View Post
    If you are really hardcore just place a central venous catheter in subclavian vein and leave it there with a port. That way you can just pop it open and shoot... porblem solved no more hose hunting.
    I've known people do this. Not such a hot idea necessarily as it's very easy to get an infection this way and septicemia ain't nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shambles View Post
    I've known people do this. Not such a hot idea necessarily as it's very easy to get an infection this way and septicemia ain't nice.
    How long can one use a port before you should change it?

    I was thinking about this - what size gauges for ports are available?
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    I really don't know how long would be safe, Cap'n. I do know the fella that I know who did this died shortly afterwards. Not entirely sure what was the cause though - either the infection or maybe an overdose. It's a very risky thing to do but I guess if you really know what you're doing and use scrupulous hygiene it may be feasible. I'm sure I remember there were more problems than just the risk of infection to take into account too but really can't recall. Perhaps DJ or someone else with better medical knowledge would be able to enlighten us
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    veins don't pump blood, arteries do
    I thought the heart pumped blood...
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    i am one of the lucky people. my skin is pale, so can basically see all of my veins in my arms and legs. i never have a problem locating a vein, the only problem Ive ever encountered was when i was actually puncturing the skin and entering the vein, i sometimes think that i might have went through a vein, but im not really sure about that.

    some days ill enter a vein and draw back, and no blood will register so i switch. then the next day ill go to the same vein and when i draw back to register, blood will flow. now i know i was in the vein (almost 100% positive) because for one i can literally see that the syringe is entering my body right on top of a vein...i can even moved the syringe carefully and see the vein moving with the syringe. not sure why this happens, but never the less i almost always get my shot in.

    i usually steer away from using the smaller veins, just because i feel that they would be more prone to collapse or damage because they are so small. not sure if that's correct, but im just using common sense there.

    Ive always found the trickiest things with IV'ing is to know for 100% sure, if you properly seated in the vein. i know that drawing back to register blood in the syringe is the way to tell but in the beginning of IV use for me, i would draw back and shoot and 3/4 of the way thru all the sudden I'd get the stinging/burning sensation like i missed.

    now that Ive been IV'ing for a while i basically got it down pat, but it takes time. Practice makes perfect. One thing i would do when i starting IV'ing, is i would just practice with sterile saline or water, so i wouldn't be wasting my shot.

    the book "Getting off Right" i got from the SEP was an awesome help as well. another things i did was actually paid attention to doctors/nurses and asked them question when they would do any IV work with me. Surprisingly they answered all my questions with out suspicion. but if you have any questions, Google "harm reduction" or look on BL for a link to the site. it contains all the same info the book i mentioned about has, or you can go to your local SEP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain.Heroin View Post


    Anyone have better more in depth charts?

    Depth Charts!!! That's hilarious what a great way to look at it

    Well, I have this gargantuan vein somewhere in between my legs... I couldn't miss if I tried

    However-- the most effective vein for me overall, and I don't need a tourniquet either, would probably be this slightly smaller vein I have on the side of my head, wiggling across my temple... it's tough to hit BUT I found that if I start an argument and I get myself really heated, it instinctively pops out and makes itself quite available. Sweet Jesus! Now *that* is a shot to the dome!!!


    PS- I'm just jokin around folks Probably seems like that could go without being said, but just in case some youngster takes it the wrong way and actually tries either suggestion... I could not post it without this note-to-all, no matter how unlikely
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetSMiLE View Post
    Depth Charts!!! That's hilarious what a great way to look at it

    Well, I have this gargantuan vein somewhere in between my legs... I couldn't miss if I tried

    However-- the most effective vein for me overall, and I don't need a tourniquet either, would probably be this slightly smaller vein I have on the side of my head, wiggling across my temple... it's tough to hit BUT I found that if I start an argument and I get myself really heated, it instinctively pops out and makes itself quite available. Sweet Jesus! Now *that* is a shot to the dome!!!


    PS- I'm just jokin around folks Probably seems like that could go without being said, but just in case some youngster takes it the wrong way and actually tries either suggestion... I could not post it without this note-to-all, no matter how unlikely
    You, my friend, are insane in the membrane.
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    shooting into vein in lower arm near wrist 
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    hey there.. i've found it hard recently to hit my veins near my crooks and my mainline and I see a big vein near the lower part of my arm near my wrist and the back of my hand (not the palm). It's just as safe to shoot into the lower arm verses the upper arm correct? I assume there's no arteries near the lower arm as well.

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    its better to shoot closer to the heart (hence the upper arm), and if you are talking about the vein running on the side of your arm on the thumb side, that one is fairly easy to hit and isnt as bad as going into the hand.
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